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Its sad to think that people can only make a judgement on what they hear from others, with absolutely no iota of what the reality is. To put it mildly, if you compare Ireland to Cuba, it's Ireland that would come out as the "developing" country - Cuba is miles ahead in nearly every aspect of life. I have to laugh at the posts on here from people that makes is so obvious in their posts that they have actually no idea what they are talking about. But I suppose you have armchair judges everywhere. But they're good for a laugh.
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fishy fishy wrote: »Its sad to think that people can only make a judgement on what they hear from others, with absolutely no iota of what the reality is. To put it mildly, if you compare Ireland to Cuba, it's Ireland that would come out as the "developing" country - Cuba is miles ahead in nearly every aspect of life. I have to laugh at the posts on here from people that makes is so obvious in their posts that they have actually no idea what they are talking about. But I suppose you have armchair judges everywhere. But they're good for a laugh.
you should also try to educate yourself on your statements about cubans not being allowed to travel. And remember, while you are getting the tidbits of "news" from the media that they want you to hear, there is actual life happening behind the scenes that you obviously know nothing about.0 -
Sums up the modern liberal really doesn't it? Who cares if people have food, jobs or homes because if they don't have press freedom it must be horrific to live there. If I had the choice between living in Cuba or their capitalist neighbour Haiti, I know which i'd pick.
Remarkably low infant mortality compared to others in Latin America and virtually no illiteracy also.
But yeah, without press freedom, you might as well be in hell.
It is typical of the mindset of the Stalinist, however, to sacrifice freedom for "the economy", even though communism is not only guaranteed a prison State but a sh*t economy. But I am glad you came on, as you are typical of the stomach churning totalitarian nature of Marxists ( and their close ideological neighbours, the Fascists). Free speech and political rights be damned, its all about the economy. Get the trains working on time, get everybody employed - and am I talking about Marxism, or Nazzism here, isn't it hard to tell - and nobody needs any rights at all.
And Haiti is a basket case. Why not choose Sweden vs Cuba? Most "capitalist" regimes have 30-40% state involvement, and the top capitalist states are 10 times richer per capita than Cuba. And illiteracy has been elimated. You don't need a communist dictatorship to have free healthcare, Marxists love dictatorships because it is in their totalitarian blood to love dictatorships. At least for other people, preferable brown, or Asian.fishy fishy wrote: »Its sad to think that people can only make a judgement on what they hear from others, with absolutely no iota of what the reality is. To put it mildly, if you compare Ireland to Cuba, it's Ireland that would come out as the "developing" country - Cuba is miles ahead in nearly every aspect of life. I have to laugh at the posts on here from people that makes is so obvious in their posts that they have actually no idea what they are talking about. But I suppose you have armchair judges everywhere. But they're good for a laugh.
Once again a major fetish for Cuba from somebody reluctant to live there. Why aren't you there? If communism is so great, why not live there? I keep asking this, I keep getting no answer. People leave Ireland all the time for capitalist countries they prefer - Canada, Australia, the US. And they say, before they go, that those countries are better. No lover of communism has ever emigrated to communism. Its great for the people living there. But not for you.fishy fishy wrote: »you should also try to educate yourself on your statements about cubans not being allowed to travel. And remember, while you are getting the tidbits of "news" from the media that they want you to hear, there is actual life happening behind the scenes that you obviously know nothing about.
( You quoted yourself).
I am sure that some Cubans are allowed to travel if they are high up members of the regime. However people flee the Island on make shift boats, so hellish is the prison camp, so clear their desire to leave. They risk their lives to leave a place you fetish And I get my "tidbits" from a free press, and a free internet - the one where you can praise Cuba all you want.
If anything, like all dictatorships, we don't get the full story. When the Soviets were killing millions, your ilk were justifying that too, as the people who believed in the killings were getting "tidbits". Even the serious press - the New YOrk TImes did.
If anything Cuba is fetished. A right wing dictator with the same policies - and Cuba is only 70% State employed now, fascists tend to have large States too - would be excoriated. But Marxists can't pass a tyranny they don't love at least for other people.0 -
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fishy fishy wrote: »Its sad to think that people can only make a judgement on what they hear from others, with absolutely no iota of what the reality is. To put it mildly, if you compare Ireland to Cuba, it's Ireland that would come out as the "developing" country - Cuba is miles ahead in nearly every aspect of life. I have to laugh at the posts on here from people that makes is so obvious in their posts that they have actually no idea what they are talking about. But I suppose you have armchair judges everywhere. But they're good for a laugh.
What is sad is that you post this tripe on a message board.0 -
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Duggys Housemate wrote: »It is typical of the mindset of the Stalinist, however, to sacrifice freedom for "the economy", even though communism is not only guaranteed a prison State but a sh*t economy. But I am glad you came on, as you are typical of the stomach churning totalitarian nature of Marxists ( and their close ideological neighbours, the Fascists). Free speech and political rights be damned, its all about the economy. Get the trains working on time, get everybody employed - and am I talking about Marxism, or Nazzism here, isn't it hard to tell - and nobody needs any rights at all.
And Haiti is a basket case. Why not choose Sweden vs Cuba? Most "capitalist" regimes have 30-40% state involvement, and the top capitalist states are 10 times richer per capita than Cuba. And illiteracy has been elimated. You don't need a communist dictatorship to have free healthcare, Marxists love dictatorships because it is in their totalitarian blood to love dictatorships. At least for other people, preferable brown, or Asian.
Once again a major fetish for Cuba from somebody reluctant to live there. Why aren't you there? If communism is so great, why not live there? I keep asking this, I keep getting no answer. People leave Ireland all the time for capitalist countries they prefer - Canada, Australia, the US. And they say, before they go, that those countries are better. No lover of communism has ever emigrated to communism. Its great for the people living there. But not for you.
( You quoted yourself).
I am sure that some Cubans are allowed to travel if they are high up members of the regime. However people flee the Island on make shift boats, so hellish is the prison camp, so clear their desire to leave. They risk their lives to leave a place you fetish And I get my "tidbits" from a free press, and a free internet - the one where you can praise Cuba all you want.
If anything, like all dictatorships, we don't get the full story. When the Soviets were killing millions, your ilk were justifying that too, as the people who believed in the killings were getting "tidbits". Even the serious press - the New YOrk TImes did.
If anything Cuba is fetished. A right wing dictator with the same policies - and Cuba is only 70% State employed now, fascists tend to have large States too - would be excoriated. But Marxists can't pass a tyranny they don't love at least for other people.
lol,with all your hatred for something you have no idea about,it's a wonder you don't take your little self off and live in little havana in South Florida....well?
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fishy fishy wrote: »lol,with all your hatred for something you have no idea about,it's a wonder you don't take your little self off and live in little havana in South Florida....well?
I don't live in Ireland, and I have lived in the US. So I have actually left Ireland for a different country ( which is better in many respects, but not in all).
so I
1) Wanted to see the world.
2) Have lived abroad.
3) Have lived in the US and the UK.
I have also visited dozens of countries, however I give dictatorships a miss where possible.
You
1) Love Cuba
2) Cuba is the best place ever
3) Cuba is the bestest place ever, ever in the history of the world, and dictatorships are brilliant.
4) Still live in Ireland.
Wy are you still there, in Ireland. If Cuba is so good why are you not in Cuba?0 -
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I am sure that some Cubans are allowed to travel if they are high up members of the regime. However people flee the Island on make shift boats, so hellish is the prison camp, so clear their desire to leave. They risk their lives to leave a place you fetish And I get my "tidbits" from a free press, and a free internet - the one where you can praise Cuba all you want.
wrong, honey, so wrong. listen, you can raise your blood pressure here all your want trying to answer things you know nothing about. In the meantime those who actually know what they are talking about are just nodding their head and laughing, but hey, you think it so it must be true. an expert in your own head eh? 0 -
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fishy fishy wrote: »
wrong, honey, so wrong. listen, you can raise your blood pressure here all your want trying to answer things you know nothing about. In the meantime those who actually know what they are talking about are just nodding their head and laughing, but hey, you think it so it must be true. an expert in your own head eh?
You know what you're talking about? Do you know what the life expectancy is in Cuba now compared to when Castro took over, despite this much vaunted 'world-class' health system? Do you have figures for how many people attempt to leave the country each year? Do you know how many 'work' camps they have based on their population. Do you know how many years they spend in prison for writing descenting graffiti or attempting to connect to the Internet using a non-approved government computer?0 -
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Duggys Housemate wrote: »Christ on stick. Another one not living in Cuba but accusing democracies of being aggressive surveillance states, freely on the internet, and not in the least bit concerned that these very aggressive surveillance states are listening in.
Cuba is apparently not just a brilliant economy, but freer than democracies. And yet the lines outside the embassy looking for visas are shorter than you would expect given this reality.
You boys should get a few rafts together and plug on over to Cuba, to gain your freedom from the repressive democracies you live in.
they do have airports in cuba you know. Lemme ask you this, since you are an experct in US/UK domicility - is fox news related to sky news in any way? 0 -
Duggys Housemate wrote: »Nope. And ad homimen. I am a political centrist.
It is "seeing" a lot more of the world than visiting a country. It is living abroad for a decade ( and in more than two cities). are you - someone probably living across the road from mum - really making that point? Really?
Which is why I also said that I visited lots of countries, and that I have lived outside of Ireland, you appear to be living in Ireland.
But the question remains unanswered once again. Why are you not living
1) outside Ireland?
2) in Cuba.
I don't particularly hate Ireland, but some Irish immigrants over here much prefer the UK. But they did something about that, they live here. Why are you not in Cuba?
actually after re-reading your post above, I think I will rest my case on cuba. Maybe you can go visit there someday and find out what it is really like. But really, I'd rather have a more educated conversation with somebody about it, rather than dealing with your little retort above.
Have fun with your perceptions tho. They are quite funny. 0 -
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