Bord na Móna workers vote for industrial action

the_syco

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

If the government stands up to the unions

You mean if the government stands up to Labour.

Oh, wait; Labour are the government. Can't see FG standing up to it's bunk buddies.

jased10s wrote: »

LOL piped gas just now and i had it 20 years ago in the UK.

Funny thought for the day; up until recently (and next to some houses you can still see) gas meters were next to every house. Seems that all houses were once supplied by gas in my estate, but then somewhere along the way (probably during the 80's), this stopped, and people went to electricity, and then to oil in the late 90's/early 00's, but now a lot of people are back to gas. Estate is about 35-40 years old.

Sleepy wrote: »

LOL, since the only place I've heard of it has been in this thread I'm presuming it's having little or no impact.

Until I read about it here, I didn't even know it happened. This was kept quite, but I'd say a few newspapers will probably attack them today.

creedp

This piece of Fianna Fáil–social partners concocted fiction should have been ripped up and thrown in the bin years ago.

And it has been for the vast majority of PS and private sector workers .. only the very priviledged few are able to envoke the terms of Towards 2016 to argue for pay increases these days. The only PS workers referring to Towards 2016 these days are the semi-state workers who apparently work in a 'profitable' environment and therefore, as happens in the private sector, the workers get a slice of the action. The problem is how is profitability defined? Propped up revenues by a regulator as is the case with the ESB? If these semi-states are so profitable they should be remitting this profit to the State who is its only shareholder to help get the State back on its feet or reinvesting these profits in the company (ESB world class company in terms of new grid/generator technology?) not dolling out pay increases. This just simply gives everyone else a bad name!

Degsy

gandalf wrote: »

Given the current atmosphere and the fact so many are on the dole queues they should be fired. There won't be a problem filling the positions.

Yet there seems to be plenty of problems filling positions in Spar and Centra...if irish layabouts dont want to work in a shop,what makes youthink they want to work in a bog?

Tora Bora

For peats sake, they should all be turfed out on their ears:cool:

Sleepy

Degsy wrote: »

Yet there seems to be plenty of problems filling positions in Spar and Centra...if irish layabouts dont want to work in a shop,what makes youthink they want to work in a bog?

The extremely generous wages that BNM staff already receive. Even with a 10% salary cut it'd still be a handsome reward for the work involved.

Bullseye1

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

It probably was but turf bogs have an excellent history in preserving.:p

Degsy

Sleepy wrote: »

The extremely generous wages that BNM staff already receive. Even with a 10% salary cut it'd still be a handsome reward for the work involved.

Sure...if its not It related nowadays(ie sitting on your arse) people dont want to know.

woodoo

The PS had negotiated a 3.5% payrise at the same time too. Instead we got a paycut and the pension levy. Now Bord na Mona want that payrise.

I think they should have their pay cut in line with what the PS had.

Degsy

woodoo wrote: »

The PS had negotiated a 3.5% payrise at the same time too. Instead we got a paycut and the pension levy. Now Bord na Mona want that payrise.

I think they should have their pay cut in line with what the PS had.

Likewise they private Sector should have an income tax increase in line with the PS paycut and pension levy.

Around 12% or so altogether.

Brussels Sprout

Degsy wrote: »

Likewise they private Sector should have an income tax increase in line with the PS paycut and pension levy.

Around 12% or so altogether.

lol, good one!

Degsy

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

lol, good one!

Yup..public services need to be paid for and the Private Sector should take thier share of the pain for a change.

Sleepy

I dare you to go down to the post office any morning and tell that to all those waiting for their dole...

AlmightyCushion

Degsy wrote: »

Yup..public services need to be paid for and the Private Sector should take thier share of the pain for a change.

I thought you were being facetious but I guess not. That would be disastrous. It would just increase emigration and cause wage inflation. Do you really think Intel would still upgrade Leixlip if they had their best people either leaving the country or demanding a pay increase to make up for the tax hike. Now apply that to any other multi-national who is here or considering coming here and any Irish company that is in a position to move abroad. It would cripple the country.

Degsy

Sleepy wrote: »

I dare you to go down to the post office any morning and tell that to all those waiting for their dole...

And who is staffingthe post offices these days? On greatly reduced wages for greatly increased workload.

Plenty of unskilled work out there,people would rather get the dole though..thats why we've so many foreigners in the private sector.

road_high

Degsy wrote: »

Yup..public services need to be paid for and the Private Sector should take thier share of the pain for a change.

This has to be the most stupid post on boards! Private sector workers/IMF PAY public sector wages through their taxes! Thus like any customer they deserve absolute best value for their money. Not end up paying even more to prop up shams like the Croke Park Agreement.

road_high

Degsy wrote: »

thats why we've so many foreigners in the private sector.

No that would be because they usually don't have a father or uncle twice removed working there (in public sector) already . The unions do a good job of keeping out foreigners that "might" undermine their cushy wages and conditions.

Degsy

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I thought you were being facetious but I guess not. That would be disastrous. It would just increase emigration and cause wage inflation. Do you really think Intel would still upgrade Leixlip if they had their best people either leaving the country or demanding a pay increase to make up for the tax hike. Now apply that to any other multi-national who is here or considering coming here and any Irish company that is in a position to move abroad. It would cripple the country.

Intel this,multinationals that...everybody is obsessed with the multinational IT sector and nobody seems to be interested in indiginous irish companies that offer sustainable goods and services.

Foreign companies like that come and go,and when they go everybody whinges and wants further reductions to PS pay.

If you think Intel is going to be forever providing jobs think again..youtube the docu about irish unemployent in the 1970's..the big employer in those days was cinemas...where are they now? Ten years ago the big empoyers were construction and trades..where are they now?

Just a thought..

Sleepy

Degsy wrote: »

And who is staffingthe post offices these days? On greatly reduced wages for greatly increased workload.

Plenty of unskilled work out there,people would rather get the dole though..thats why we've so many foreigners in the private sector.

Please, please, tell me you're trolling?

If not, do you want to let us know which branch of the public sector you're a part of? I'm hoping it's not education based on the lack of logic you're demonstrating here...

Degsy

mfitzy wrote: »

No that would be because they usually don't have a father or uncle twice removed working there already . The unions do a good job of keeping out foreigners that "might" undermine their cushy wages and conditions.

Incorrect and very possibly libelous.

sarumite

woodoo wrote: »

I think they should have their pay cut in line with what the PS had.

Sounds a lot like begrudgery and Semi-P bashing to me. :P

Degsy

Sleepy wrote: »

Please, please, tell me you're trolling?

If not, do you want to let us know which branch of the public sector you're a part of? I'm hoping it's not education based on the lack of logic you're demonstrating here...

Well let me give you an example.

A friend of mine was on contract with Google for about a year..when her contract looked like it wouldnt be renewed she sent out a few CV's to different places,fair enough.

Eventually she was offered a position in a recruitment company for a few grand less than her wages with google and she felt so offended by the idea that she should be asked to work for less money that she signed on and has been on the dole ever since..over a year ago now.

Another person in the same sort of field was told that there were jobs going in Ikea..."No way i'm working in a shop,not with MY qualifications" she said. Signed on and moved back with her parents.

The country is full of people like that,to say nothing of the professional students,spending decades in college and never actually intending to do a day's work.

Degsy

Less than 2.5% of applicants for 100 jobs were Irish.

ardmacha

youtube the docu about irish unemployent in the 1970's..the big employer in those days was cinemas...

I think we need a link or some stats to show that cinemas were an important employer in the 1970s....

Degsy

ardmacha wrote: »

I think we need a link or some stats to show that cinemas were an important employer in the 1970s....

Well i was around in the 70's and there were cinemas everywhere..there were dozens in Dublin and even the smallest regional town had at least one cinema,business was good too,especially at weekends.

In those days you didnt have online streaming or bittorrent or dvd's..if you wanted to see a film,you went to the cinema.

Is that good enough for ya?

Degsy

Degsy wrote: »

Incorrect and very possibly libelous.

Wouldn't pass as libelous if it's a commonly held opinion.

Which it is.

Curly Judge

I worked for a company who took on local Bord na Mona workers when they took voluntary redundancy after the local bog was wound down.
To a man they were the worst bunch of workers I have ever come across.
Lazy, totally union orientated, trouble making layabouts.
Because of the shortage of labor during that time we also took on some Polish workers.
Most of the Poles are still there but the Bord na Mona boys were got rid of at the first opportunity.
Utter wasters!

Sleepy

Degsy wrote: »

Well let me give you an example.

A friend of mine was on contract with Google for about a year..when her contract looked like it wouldnt be renewed she sent out a few CV's to different places,fair enough.

Eventually she was offered a position in a recruitment company for a few grand less than her wages with google and she felt so offended by the idea that she should be asked to work for less money that she signed on and has been on the dole ever since..over a year ago now.

Another person in the same sort of field was told that there were jobs going in Ikea..."No way i'm working in a shop,not with MY qualifications" she said. Signed on and moved back with her parents.

The country is full of people like that,to say nothing of the professional students,spending decades in college and never actually intending to do a day's work.

So because your friend is a lazy, up herself twit we should raise taxes... *RIGHT*...

antoobrien

Degsy wrote: »

Well let me give you an example.

A friend of mine was on contract with Google for about a year..when her contract looked like it wouldnt be renewed she sent out a few CV's to different places,fair enough.

Eventually she was offered a position in a recruitment company for a few grand less than her wages with google and she felt so offended by the idea that she should be asked to work for less money that she signed on and has been on the dole ever since..over a year ago now.

Another person in the same sort of field was told that there were jobs going in Ikea..."No way i'm working in a shop,not with MY qualifications" she said. Signed on and moved back with her parents.

The country is full of people like that,to say nothing of the professional students,spending decades in college and never actually intending to do a day's work.

My brother, a plumber, got laid off two years ago. It took him a few weeks, but he eventually got a job working in a factory (nothing to do with using his plumbing qualification).

A family friend in a similar situation decided to go back to college and has 3 years done in an arts degree.

I know plenty of people that decided they'd take the dole instead.

I guess it depends on the person. The interesting things is that if you look at the emigration figures it's believed that about 150,000 have gone home since the start of the recession. Since it generally not the high end jobs that are being lost, I'd say the foreigners that are leaving are do so in order to find work.

creedp

mfitzy wrote: »

No that would be because they usually don't have a father or uncle twice removed working there (in public sector) already . The unions do a good job of keeping out foreigners that "might" undermine their cushy wages and conditions.

In fairness this would also qualify in the top 10 of "This has to be the most stupid post on boards".

K-9

Cut out the "stupid posts on Boards" comments please and keep on topic.