At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

karma_

44leto wrote: »

A perfect post,
And people that say different never lived beside or know of people abusing the system. I was talking to someone who I remember as a young labour guy, a total socialist bordering on communism. He now lives in Artane, not a bad area, I asked how are your politics now. "Just build a high wall and a moat around your property and then hope the cnuts stay away from you" (something like that).

All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.

token101

karma_ wrote: »

All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.

Or that once the person experienced the situation personally his opinion changed.

44leto

karma_ wrote: »

All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.

HUH
Well he could leave his doors and cars unlocked and remained principled, would you??

karma_

44leto wrote: »

HUH
Well he could leave his doors and cars unlocked and remained principled, would you??

LOL, what does locking your doors and cars have to do with principled socialism?

Also, who does your old mate think is going to assault his walls in Artane?

blackwhite

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.

I can't imagine anything more patronising than this post.

The logic is basically:
"You've had a tough start, so no one expects you to make anything of yourself. Take this ticket over to the window and they'll give you your syringe so you can get started on the rest of your life.
Don't worry about trying to get an education, just worry about getting your next fix.

Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from."

amacachi

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Now I believe in bigger prisons

You want prisoners to have more space? What kind of lefty BS is that!?

old hippy

GombeanMan wrote: »

People with genuine reasons aren't the ones I am aiming this towards. Some people aren't capable of minding their children for various reasons. It's the people that serially abuse the system I don't agree with. Disability payments must remain. Everything else should be open to scrutiny.

I don't know anyone here who would favour the minority who abuse the system...

Fart

blackwhite wrote: »

I can't imagine anything more patronising than this post.

The logic is basically:
"You've had a tough start, so no one expects you to make anything of yourself. Take this ticket over to the window and they'll give you your syringe so you can get started on the rest of your life.
Don't worry about trying to get an education, just worry about getting your next fix.

Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from."

Yup... silver spoon and all that, me thinks.

GombeanMan

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know anyone here who would favour the minority who abuse the system...

Yet the Government allows this crap to go on unchecked for the most part. It should be like the UK, 50 quid a week and then you are means tested for more if you need it. Social Welfare is far too generous in this country. In the states, you would need to work like a trooper on the minimum wage to survive.

Here, everything is handed to people who turn down jobs because the dole "pays more". Granted it's a generalisation, but it's very evident in this Socialist Society. I think we should just Privatise Social Welfare. Would cut out most of the Fraud. When it's mostly your own money on the line, you tend to be more aware of stamping out fraud.

Rabidlamb

I propose a test when you reach 10.
If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
Better for everyone.
You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.

old hippy

GombeanMan wrote: »

Yet the Government allows this crap to go on unchecked for the most part. It should be like the UK, 50 quid a week and then you are means tested for more if you need it. Social Welfare is far too generous in this country. In the states, you would need to work like a trooper on the minimum wage to survive.

Here, everything is handed to people who turn down jobs because the dole "pays more". Granted it's a generalisation, but it's very evident in this Socialist Society. I think we should just Privatise Social Welfare. Would cut out most of the Fraud. When it's mostly your own money on the line, you tend to be more aware of stamping out fraud.

Who turns down jobs, exactly? My brother in law would give his right nut for a job... as for privatisation - are you serious? You'd have people living in Dickensian squalor and tenements if that happened.

In the States my cousin, a single mother works 6 days a week for a crap wage. The US system is punitive but there are people who have no choice but to claim it.

Teyla Emmagan

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I propose a test when you reach 10.
If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
Better for everyone.
You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.

10 is too late, the kid is probably beyond hope at that stage. You need to catch them by 3 or 4 to make a difference apparently (for kids in the seriously socially disadvantaged criminal catchment pool, not for our new breed of post celtic tiger recession kids whose parents would not 'normally' be on the dole).

old hippy

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I propose a test when you reach 10.
If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
Better for everyone.
You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.

And if Daddy becomes a turncoat and starts spouting off like an Ayn Rand acolyte, have him put down. It would be merciful, in the long run.

Chuck Stone

I'm just anti-privilege and pro personal freedom.

The people who are into using the state to control the behaviour of individuals or protect them from the free market are from both the left and right.

Right wing conservatives are the scum of the earth imho.

GombeanMan

old hippy wrote: »

My brother in law would give his right nut for a job... as for privatisation - are you serious? You'd have people living in Dickensian squalor and tenements if that happened. .

I can understand your brother in law is pissed. I would be too. If most of the social welfare fund was spent to invest in jobs, we could lower the unemployment rate to a reasonable level, instead of making people dependant on the Government for handouts.

Also, remove most power from these overpaid, entitled Labour Unions and remove the minimum wage entirely. Only then would a real incentive to work be fostered. I still think disability payments should be payed out though. Everybody else can shave the bum fluff and get a job. The hippies must be put to work at a wage rate.

Borboletinha

I was left wing in my home country where there is real poverty and a lot of people are starving.

Now in ireland im 100% right wing. The social welfare is way too generous and people still complain. Instead of feeling thankful the government provides for you and your children when you cannot, people feel entitled to all they get and still want more!! I believe nobody should starve or live on the streets but thats about it. The government its not your parent or your childrens parent therefore its not responsible for all your needs.


For the record i've always worked never took a cent from social welfare and if me and my husband are ever unemployed we'll go back home or somewhere else where we can get a job. Thats whats normal to me, working. If not here, somewhere. Its impossible that there are no jobs at all in the world! That to me is a big excuse not to work.

BraziliaNZ

blackwhite wrote: »

Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from.

Yeah but they don't, do they? That's why they're not educated, guided, working etc.

Anyway, I give up, the world is f**ked because people never agree on things like this, I'm a nihilist at heart, bring on the armageddon, we are too greedy a species.

token101

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm just anti-privilege and pro personal freedom.

The people who are into using the state to control the behaviour of individuals or protect them from the free market are from both the left and right.

Right wing conservatives are the scum of the earth imho.

Yeah but unless you are utterly leftist and devoted to the cause of 'social justice' then you're classified as right wing conservative regardless. No such thing as common sense anymore, just left and right.

RichieC

token101 wrote: »

Yeah but unless you are utterly leftist and devoted to the cause of 'social justice' then you're classified as right wing conservative regardless. No such thing as common sense anymore, just left and right.

You're correct. It's a great way to divide a population. It's entirely the medias fault that in this day and age actual dialogue and compromise has been replaced by moral outrage and right/left bickering.

Look at the US. it will get that bad here too because it is an incredibly good way to control populations. with a 50/50 divide on the left and right, no matter what you as a government proposes, the media will dutifully spin it either left or right guaranteeing you the lions share of support from either side of the divide.

bullpost

Reminds me of the Tommy Saxondale episode where right-on Tommy defends the squatters who've moved into his estate - until he has met them - excerpt on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVngLpqEHU

token101 wrote: »

Or that once the person experienced the situation personally his opinion changed.

Chuck Stone

bullpost wrote: »

Reminds me of the Tommy Saxondale episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

How punchable is that fucker?

hooradiation

blackwhite wrote: »

I can't imagine anything more patronising than this post.

You're right, your post was amazingly patronising.
I don't think it could be topped.

as125634do

Lefty mostly even left handed footed even my left side of my brain is bigger than me right. But i took it too far in letting the community know i was into young teen girls. It got difficult with the lads after a few cans. So now socially im on my own ha ha ha ha h suites u ya litle piece of ****...! I love u people ur hilarious

RichieC

as125634do wrote: »

Lefty mostly even left handed footed even my left side of my brain is bigger than me right. But i took it too far in letting the community know i was into young teen girls. It got difficult with the lads after a few cans. So now socially im on my own ha ha ha ha h suites u ya litle piece of ****...! I love u people ur hilarious

The **** did I just read C:

KyussBishop

What I don't understand is the sheer lack of thought that goes into statements calling for abolition of most social welfare, removing minimum wage, extremely harsh prison sentences for minor offences, mass privatization of critical services etc..

Sure there is some fraud, waste of taxpayers money, unpunished crime etc. and general room for improvement, but most of the simplistic solutions basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, or harshly punish a whole swathe of people to hit back at a tiny minority.

It's easy to see that all of these things are boneheaded ideas once you put more than 2 seconds of thought into them; how can people have such simplistic views? (NOTE: Am not applying that to 'right wing' views in general, just these specific simplistic points of view)

Chuck Stone

token101 wrote: »

Yeah but unless you are utterly leftist and devoted to the cause of 'social justice' then you're classified as right wing conservative regardless.

These folks usually claim to economically right wing and socially liberal.

People from the 'right-wing' who want to use taxes for war and locking peaceful people up or stopping them from pursuing their goals because they don't like their lifestyles (gay marriage/adoption, drug user, prostitution, gambling etc) are truly evil scum.

You're right though. If you are pro personal freedom the right-wing want to paint you as a naive liberal (unless its about gun ownership).

If you are pro free market the left say 'why do you want people to be poor and die in the street'.

The straw manning and false dichotomy 'choices' ensures that **** all changes and that suits the privileged (both 'right' and 'left') most.

44leto

hooradiation wrote: »

You're right, your post was amazingly patronising.
I don't think it could be topped.

Why don't you do a social experiment, move in beside them, bring your car, your nice stuff and your sense of security, then a month or a week later post your views in this thread.

hooradiation

44leto wrote: »

Why don't you do a social experiment, move in beside them, bring your car, your nice stuff and your sense of security, then a month or a week later post your views in this thread.

Is your argument really predicated on the notion that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your "hang 'em high" mindset is living a cloistered life?
Or that having ever been wronged by someone else the only possible response is a full on dedication to the kind of collective punishment you advocate?
The simplicity you use to approach things is almost admirable.

Unsurprisingly, it's possible to defy your convenient stereotype of a "lefty" and it's also possible not to turn into a short-sighted reactionary simply because you've been the victim of crime.

Granted your way is easier, so there is that.

Pacifist Pigeon

I'd say when I turned 20 (I'm 21 in under 2 months). I'm an economically right wing libertarian anarchist - I follow the writings of Von Mises, Rothbard, Hayek, Adam Smith, etc.. On social issues, however, I'm extremely left wing - I support gay marriage/adoption, abortion, secularisation, removing the Roman Catholic Church from education and all other facets of society, promoting agnosticism/atheism, etc.. The only think I'm right wing about when it comes to society is art/architecture - I prefer artistic realism to contemporary art/architecture.

44leto

hooradiation wrote: »

Is your argument really predicated on the notion that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your "hang 'em high" mindset is living a cloistered life?
Or that having ever been wronged by someone else the only possible response is a full on dedication to the kind of collective punishment you advocate?
The simplicity you use to approach things is almost admirable.

Unsurprisingly, it's possible to defy your convenient stereotype of a "lefty" and it's also possible not to turn into a short-sighted reactionary simply because you've been the victim of crime.

Granted your way is easier, so there is that.

So you see my point and you would never move in beside them, but you expect their neighbours all to have your attitude which is incredibly hypocritical.

hooradiation

44leto wrote: »

So you see my point and you would never move in beside them, but you expect their neighbours all to have your attitude which is incredibly hypocritical.

I don't see your point.
This is because you don't have one, you have a series of assumptions.

goose2005

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I had a good run as a young hippy liberal.
Save the whales, no US troops through Shannon, feed the world, reliable healthcare for all, no to Sellafield & all that.
Since I've been married, bought a house & had kids I've become much more conservative.
Liberal issues now do nothing for me, I see welfare state spongers as the lowest rung of society, if you can't afford that expensive operation will you just hurry up & die quickly, I don't care where my energy comes from as long as it's cheap, blow up half the middle-east if it keeps petrol below €2 a litre, I can't wait to shot a burglar.
It's getting worse the older I get & I'm only 39, what am I going to be like when I'm 70.
There's a chance I could vote FF again in my lifetime.

At what age did you flip to the darkside ?.

It sounds like your political views have never changed; when you were young, you supported policies that made you feel good without ever really thinking about them in any depth; now that you're older, you support policies that make you feel good without ever really thinking about them in any depth.

44leto

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't see your point.
This is because you don't have one, you have a series of assumptions.

My so called "assumptions" are based on my experience and that is on the actual, I use to live beside them, I don't anymore and it is the best move I ever made. I am not for increased social policies that feed dependency, I am for more prisons and zero tolerance.

Chuck Stone

44leto wrote: »

I am for ... zero tolerance.

Of what?

44leto

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Of what?

Crime and general anti social behaviour, other then that I am totally tolerant.

bullpost

You're right.
While I am slowly moving away from the left as I get older, I certainly don't think the right have all the solutions.
When you look at the social deprivation of the poorest communities in countries with very little welfare, I dont think its something most people want to see.
Also we should try harder to keep people out of jail . I'm not talking about the recidivists , but those who go into the system for the first time.
Once you get a prison record chances are you will re-offend, not because you want to , but because you are now socially isolated and will most likely be a burden on society for the rest of your life.

KyussBishop wrote: »

What I don't understand is the sheer lack of thought that goes into statements calling for abolition of most social welfare, removing minimum wage, extremely harsh prison sentences for minor offences, mass privatization of critical services etc..

Sure there is some fraud, waste of taxpayers money, unpunished crime etc. and general room for improvement, but most of the simplistic solutions basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, or harshly punish a whole swathe of people to hit back at a tiny minority.

It's easy to see that all of these things are boneheaded ideas once you put more than 2 seconds of thought into them; how can people have such simplistic views? (NOTE: Am not applying that to 'right wing' views in general, just these specific simplistic points of view)

Chuck Stone

44leto wrote: »

Crime and general anti social behaviour, other then that I am totally tolerant.

Jesus are they broad parameters or what?

What would you say is more socially destructive?

The riots in the UK or the banking bailout in Ireland?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

44leto wrote: »

Crime and general anti social behaviour, other then that I am totally tolerant.

Except the crimes you yourself commit, right?

I would usually pirate a movie

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77434816&postcount=489

as125634do

RichieC wrote: »

The **** did I just read C:

yeh i forgot a rule; Keep some things to urswlf. But i was an easy target so people cud speculate and assume things so i had to devise a plan

44leto

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Jesus are they broad parameters or what?

What would you say is more socially destructive?

The riots in the UK or the banking bailout in Ireland?

If it is levels of scale I believe if there was not a banking bailout that would have been a lot more destructive, but we will never know that. As for the mess they got us into, I believe we were all culpable, politicians, the regulators, the bank shareholders and us the crazy borrowers. But that is another thread.

But I believe there should have been some prosecutions the banking regulator was very negligent to say the least.

Rabidlamb

as125634do wrote: »

yeh i forgot a rule; Keep some things to urswlf. But i was an easy target so people cud speculate and assume things so i had to devise a plan

English, do you speak it ?

Ellis Dee

Some of us go in for lifelong learning and do not easily allow ourselves to be pigeonholed, especially if we have the chance to gain experience of other cultures and learn to understand that there are different strokes for different folks.:)

I believe strongly in social solidarity, believe that people who are, temporarily or permanently, in need of help should be given it and allowed to lead a life of dignity and to develop themselves to the extent that their capabilities permit.:D

The kind of neo-liberal policies espoused by despicable people like Thatcher, Reagan, Harney and McDowell - to name just a few of the worst creeps - are really just an excuse for the strong "haves" to evade their social responsibility and grow even wealthier relative to the "have-nots". Ultimately, that approach only weakens society as a whole, and is generally compounded by inefficient and inconsistent governance as well.:rolleyes:

I'll never become a right-winger, although I'm 68, I have never been unemployed for a day in my life and have been comfortably off for decades. I vote for Sinn Fein in Ireland and for the Greens (a member of the governing coalition) in Finland. A couple of weeks ago, I voted for the gay Green candidate in the Finnish presidential election. He didn't win. but I recognise that the man who won, a moderate conservative, is also a decent person and will make a good president.:)

flyswatter

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

The Shinners??!?

Love that phrase. Something spectre-like about it. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Mickey Dazzler

I started leaning to the right in my mid 20s. I was an awful leftie ****ebag in my late teens and early 20s. It quite unbelievable just how many different groups of people I hate these days.

hooradiation

44leto wrote: »

My so called "assumptions" are based on my experience and that is on the actual, I use to live beside them, I don't anymore and it is the best move I ever made.

That's great for you, what does that have to do with anything?
Do you even know what you're complaining about any more?

44leto wrote: »

I am not for increased social policies that feed dependency, I am for more prisons and zero tolerance.

yes, yes, yes, treat the symptom. That's been your line consistently except of course, when it isn't.

As Ikky Poo2 helpfully dug up.

44leto wrote:

I would usually pirate a movie

So, when are you turning yourself in?
Let's see how strong your zero tolerance convictions are.

St.Spodo

Whatever about right-wing adults, right-wing/socially conservative young people depress me. They're going to turn out as awfully dull adults.

Eric Cartman

St.Spodo wrote: »

Whatever about right-wing adults, right-wing/socially conservative young people depress me. They're going to turn out as awfully dull adults.

how so ? Id myself very right wing, I have been since I was 15-16 , Id consider myself rather interesting, as do my friends.

Chuck Stone

St.Spodo wrote: »

Whatever about right-wing adults, right-wing/socially conservative young people depress me. They're going to turn out as awfully dull adults.

Oh gawd yes. Any responsible government would force these young'uns to smoke weed or get pissed and allow him/herself to be pushed down a hill in a shopping trolley.

Andy!!

Sometime during my Leaving Cert, when my history teacher showed us the bull**** behind most of modern 'history'.

And then also when I started coming across Roma gypsies.

hooradiation

St.Spodo wrote: »

Whatever about right-wing adults, right-wing/socially conservative young people depress me. They're going to turn out as awfully dull adults.

You say that, but as the American GOP and the Tories have shown us, they tend to have the more deviant sexual scandals.

Sure, they say they're for traditional values, but I missed the part where traditional values contained a greased Filipino boy, a Saint Andrew's Cross and a safe word.