Sea Shepherd

Gatling

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Whaling for scientific purposes is, whaling for commercial purposes is not. Only an incredibly naive idiot would classify Japanese whaling as scientific

So scientific that they shrink rap fillets of whale aboard the factory ship ready to be dispatched to super markets and restaurants when they arrive back in japan

long range shooter

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Whaling for scientific purposes is, whaling for commercial purposes is not. Only an incredibly naive idiot would classify Japanese whaling as scientific

And only a naive idiot would support sea shepards actions.
Regarding the scientific whaling,is a different matter,what matters is that it's legal approved by IWC,and sea Shepard have no business being there making idiots out of themselves,and claiming they are there because its illegal whaling.

R P McMurphy

long range shooter wrote: »

And only a naive idiot would support sea shepards actions.
Regarding the scientific whaling,is a different matter,what matters is that it's legal approved by IWC,and sea Shepard have no business being there making idiots out of themselves,and claiming they are there because its illegal whaling.

I can see the patently obvious is lost on you, commercial whaling is illegal which is what Japan is obviously engaged in. Could you stand over assertions that it is scientific and not commercial?

long range shooter

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I can see the patently obvious is lost on you, commercial whaling is illegal which is what Japan is obviously engaged in. Could you stand over assertions that it is scientific and not commercial?

Yes I can.can you?

Japan's whale research programs are perfectly legal. Article VIII of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) specifically provides for members of the IWC to issue permits for the killing of whales for research purposes. Article VIII of the ICRW begins with the words "Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention…" Further, both the moratorium and the Antarctic Sanctuary apply only to commercial whaling. Contrary to claims by Greenpeace, Japan's whale research programs are not a violation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Nothing in the UNCLOS diminishes or restricts in any way, rights provided by the ICRW.
Japan submits the results from its research to the IWC Scientific Committee for review every year. Both the quality and quantity of data from Japan's research programs have been commended by the Scientific Committee.
The IWC's Scientific Committee has noted that the programs have provided considerable data which could be directly relevant for management and that the results of these programs have the potential to improve the management of minke whales.

R P McMurphy

long range shooter wrote: »

Yes I can.can you?

Japan's whale research programs are perfectly legal. Article VIII of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) specifically provides for members of the IWC to issue permits for the killing of whales for research purposes. Article VIII of the ICRW begins with the words "Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention…" Further, both the moratorium and the Antarctic Sanctuary apply only to commercial whaling. Contrary to claims by Greenpeace, Japan's whale research programs are not a violation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Nothing in the UNCLOS diminishes or restricts in any way, rights provided by the ICRW.
Japan submits the results from its research to the IWC Scientific Committee for review every year. Both the quality and quantity of data from Japan's research programs have been commended by the Scientific Committee.
The IWC's Scientific Committee has noted that the programs have provided considerable data which could be directly relevant for management and that the results of these programs have the potential to improve the management of minke whales.

That's funny because the IWC has issued 19 separate resolutions criticizing Japan's 'research'. As I said only a naive idiot would fall for such nonsense. Just because they write research on the side on a vessel does not make it so

Gatling

And the fact successive Japanese government minister's have said the whailing was mainly for commercial reasons and its worth between 10-15 million dollars a year,
And that theory they are feeding a starving population

R P McMurphy

Gatling wrote: »

And the fact successive Japanese government minister's have said the whailing was mainly for commercial reasons and its worth between 10-15 million dollars a year,
And that theory they are feeding a starving population

They have lost whatever market they had for whale meat as well with whale meat consumption in Japan at 1% of 1960s consumption and stockpiles of unsold whale meat have quadrupled over the past 15 years despite attempts to auction it off at bargain prices.

long range shooter

R P McMurphy wrote: »

That's funny because the IWC has issued 19 separate resolutions criticizing Japan's 'research'. As I said only a naive idiot would fall for such nonsense. Just because they write research on the side on a vessel does not make it so

That might be the case,but it certainly doesn't justify sea Sea shepard actions in the area.

R P McMurphy

long range shooter wrote: »

That might be the case,but it certainly doesn't justify sea Sea shepard actions in the area.

As it is the case and I think steps should be taken by the international community to formally shut down the japanese whaling operations as they are clearly flouting the iwc agreements. It should not be up to a ngo to do it but in the absense of state efforts what else is to be done

Discodog

murphym7 wrote: »

I think you are presuming a lot there pal. When you do watch these first couple of episodes you will notice that these clowns are not even in contact with the whaling fleet yet, they are putting themselves in danger from the stupid way they conduct themselves at sea. We have not even started seeing them put other humans life's at risk yet, for now they are the only ones in danger. From themselves.

Everyone is a volunteer - most aren't experienced mariners except for key crew members. They are fully aware of the risks.

You may regard them with derision but they are highly successful which is why they get so much support.

Most of the World find it unnecessary to kill Whales for research but the Japanese say that it's essential. The Whale meat is unwanted & the only reason they continue to hunt is to preserve so called rights & traditions.

long range shooter

R P McMurphy wrote: »

As it is the case and I think steps should be taken by the international community to formally shut down the japanese whaling operations as they are clearly flouting the iwc agreements. It should not be up to a ngo to do it but in the absense of state efforts what else is to be done

It's already being taken steps by the international community,and we don't need Sea Shepard there making fools out of themselves.

R P McMurphy

long range shooter wrote: »

It's already being taken steps by the international community,and we don't need Sea Shepard there making fools out of themselves.

what steps are these?

Discodog

You Mariners & our Whaling representative should be grateful to the Sea Shepherds for giving you so much to moan & gripe about :-)

tricky D

Attack the post, not the posters

goldie fish

Discodog wrote: »

Everyone is a volunteer - most aren't experienced mariners except for key crew members. They are fully aware of the risks.

You may regard them with derision but they are highly successful which is why they get so much support.

Most of the World find it unnecessary to kill Whales for research but the Japanese say that it's essential. The Whale meat is unwanted & the only reason they continue to hunt is to preserve so called rights & traditions.

You'd be hard pressed to find any suitable qualifications amongst the crew. Maybe the helicopter pilot. The rest have little more than yacht skipper qualifications, hardly an EDH between them.

long range shooter

R P McMurphy wrote: »

what steps are these?

Like you mentioned in you previous post,let IWC handle it,that's what they are there for.
We don't need wannabe whaling police that makes more fools of themselves than good.

long range shooter

Discodog wrote: »

You Mariners & our Whaling representative should be grateful to the Sea Shepherds for giving you so much to moan & gripe about :-)

I would rather watch a good comedy,cause worse seamanship I don't think you will find anywhere on the planet,so yes they are quite unique.

TheChizler

goldie fish wrote: »

You'd be hard pressed to find any suitable qualifications amongst the crew. Maybe the helicopter pilot. The rest have little more than yacht skipper qualifications, hardly an EDH between them.

One of the volunteers was a chef! That's pretty qualified! I believe his official role was helicopter assistant...

long range shooter

Discodog wrote: »

You Mariners & our Whaling representative should be grateful to the Sea Shepherds for giving you so much to moan & gripe about :-)

Who's the whaling representative and who's the mariners??

The Irish representative in IWC is called John Fitzgerald as far as I know,if you have any issues speak to him.

andy_g

long range shooter wrote: »

Ok why are ships not allowed in the southern ocean?:rolleyes:
And whaling in the whaling sanctuary is legal,approved by IWC.
Check further back in this thread and you will find the answer.

As we all know the IWC is extremey currupt and is made up of alot of land locked countries!

Also the antarctic treaty zone ha ireland as a signitory and if you look at it its an Austrailian and New Zealand Sanctuary that the IWC do not have any control over.

long range shooter

andy_g wrote: »

As we all know the IWC is extremey currupt and is made up of alot of land locked countries!

Also the antarctic treaty zone ha ireland as a signitory and if you look at it its an Austrailian and New Zealand Sanctuary that the IWC do not have any control over.

An Australian and New Zealand sanctuary???
It's an International sanctuary,where IWC have banned all commercial whaling.
It was founded in 1994 by IWC,with 23 nations supporting it,and Japan opposing it.
And IWC corrupt,I think you will find that in most international organisations,nothing new there.

Discodog

long range shooter wrote: »

An Australian and New Zealand sanctuary???
It's an International sanctuary,where IWC have banned all commercial whaling.
It was founded in 1994 by IWC,with 23 nations supporting it,and Japan opposing it.
And IWC corrupt,I think you will find that in most international organisations,nothing new there.

So you say that we should leave it to the IWC & then admit that they are a corrupt organisation.

People support the Sea Shepherds because they are the only organisation that can be seen actively trying to prevent Whales being killed.

long range shooter

Discodog wrote: »

So you say that we should leave it to the IWC & then admit that they are a corrupt organisation.

People support the Sea Shepherds because they are the only organisation that can be seen actively trying to prevent Whales being killed.

Like i said before,corruptions you will find in any international organisation,it's nothing new.
Should we start ramming politicians with cars,and throw stink bombs at them,just because you don't agree with their politics and that they are corrupt?
I am pretty sure you would spend some time in jail then.
And that Sea Shepard is the only organisation,is wrong,ask your colleagues in Greenpeace.
It's a reason why Paul Watson was kicked out of it.

Gatling

long range shooter wrote: »

Like i said before,corruptions you will find in any international organisation,it's nothing new.
Should we start ramming politicians with cars,and throw stink bombs at them,just because you don't agree with their politics and that they are corrupt?
I am pretty sure you would spend some time in jail then.
And that Sea Shepard is the only organisation,is wrong,ask your colleagues in Greenpeace.
It's a reason why Paul Watson was kicked out of it.

Because thanks to some people sinking the Norwegian whaling or was it Icelandic fleet ,
Green peace was threatened with loosening its charity status in America which would have cost them millions of dollars

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

Because thanks to some people sinking the Norwegian whaling or was it Icelandic fleet ,
Green peace was threatened with loosening its charity status in America which would have cost them millions of dollars

Norwegian whalers started the season 1 of April,and are hunting 1286 minke whale this year.
And sinking a boat is sabotage or terrorism,in case you didn't know.
But Greenpeace are still a organisation against whaling,and are not in the south Atlantic making fools of themselves.

Gatling

long range shooter wrote: »

Norwegian whalers started the season 1 of April,and are hunting 1286 minke whale this year.
And sinking a boat is sabotage or terrorism,in case you didn't know.
But Greenpeace are still a organisation against whaling,and are not in the south Atlantic making fools of themselves.

Because they prefer talk and dollars aka sell outs

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

Because they prefer talk and dollars aka sell outs

What would sea Shepard be without dollars and Paul Watsons big mouth:rolleyes:

Discodog

long range shooter wrote: »

Like i said before,corruptions you will find in any international organisation,it's nothing new.
Should we start ramming politicians with cars,and throw stink bombs at them,just because you don't agree with their politics and that they are corrupt?
I am pretty sure you would spend some time in jail then.
And that Sea Shepard is the only organisation,is wrong,ask your colleagues in Greenpeace.
It's a reason why Paul Watson was kicked out of it.

I don't have "colleagues" in Greenpeace & I suspect that many would love to vent their anger at politicians.

You misunderstand the difference between the two organisations. Unlike Greenpeace the Sea Shepherds have their prime objective as actively preventing the killing of Whales.

The huge amount of donations show that a lot of people support direct action. With every episode of Whale Wars more people join & donate so it's clear that many don't view the Sea Shepherds as criminals.

Gatling

long range shooter wrote: »

What would sea Shepard be without dollars and Paul Watsons big mouth:rolleyes:

How many whales would have been slaughtered for Japanese restaurants
If it wasn't for Paul Watson's actions

long range shooter

Discodog wrote: »

I don't have "colleagues" in Greenpeace & I suspect that many would love to vent their anger at politicians.

You misunderstand the difference between the two organisations. Unlike Greenpeace the Sea Shepherds have their prime objective as actively preventing the killing of Whales.

The huge amount of donations show that a lot of people support direct action. With every episode of Whale Wars more people join & donate so it's clear that many don't view the Sea Shepherds as criminals.

I would love to see those numbers,cause I thought it was the opposite.
I know many who is against whaling,but they can't stand the actions of the Sea Shepard and co,though.
It's gone from bad to worse.its just a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured or killed.
But like Paul Watson used to say,
There's nothing wrong with being a terrorist,as long as you win,that clearly says it all.:rolleyes:

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

How many whales would have been slaughtered for Japanese restaurants
If it wasn't for Paul Watson's actions

As long as its sustainable,i cant see the problem.

Gatling

long range shooter wrote: »

As long as its sustainable,i cant see the problem.

As long as its illegal commercial whaling ie scientific research ,
Its open season on all those involved

Gatling

long range shooter wrote: »

As long as its sustainable,i cant see the problem.

As long as its illegal commercial whaling ie scientific research ,
Its open season on all those involved

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

As long as its illegal commercial whaling ie scientific research ,
Its open season on all those involved

Still can't see the problem,as long as its sustainable.
Scientific whaling or not.
Norway is doing commercial whaling in the North Atlantic on the minke whale.

andy_g

long range shooter wrote: »

Still can't see the problem,as long as its sustainable.
Scientific whaling or not.
Norway is doing commercial whaling in the North Atlantic on the minke whale.

So your saying sustainable like the north Atlantic fish stock? hmmm thats almost gone too

long range shooter

andy_g wrote: »

So your saying sustainable like the north Atlantic fish stock? hmmm thats almost gone too

Yes the same,but the difference is that it's not needed a sea Shepard ramming and attacking fishing boats,to get the facts.
It could be done scientifically and in cooperations with other nations as its being done now between US and Europe,and other nations who fishes in the Atlantic.
And like with whaling,it's not only hunting and overfishing that effects the stocks.
pollution and changes in the North Atlantic currents have had impact on it as well.

http://www.globefish.org/groundfish-february-2012.html

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/press_release/2009/SciSpot/SS0916/

Cookie_Monster

Gatling wrote: »

How many whales would have been slaughtered for Japanese restaurants
If it wasn't for Paul Watson's actions

well none, you know, cos it's all for research, not food right? Right?
Tasty tasty research.

Cookie_Monster

long range shooter wrote: »

Still can't see the problem,as long as its sustainable.
Scientific whaling or not.
Norway is doing commercial whaling in the North Atlantic on the minke whale.

do you think we shoud sustainably farm the great apes & chimps?

long range shooter

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

do you think we shoud sustainably farm the great apes & chimps?

Why not,as long as sea Shepard isn't involved in it;)

long range shooter

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well none, you know, cos it's all for research, not food right? Right?
Tasty tasty research.

Yes and legal too.

The Law of the Sea
The International Whaling Commission, which dictates whaling regulations worldwide, set this rule in the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling, drafted in 1946. It took until 1986 to restrict legal whaling practices to scientific and limited aboriginal whaling, but even back in the '40s, the IWC wanted to make one thing perfectly clear: If you're going to catch whales, don't let them go to waste.

It did not, however, feel the need to put this command into crystal clear language, judging by the cryptic passage in question:

"Any whales taken under these special permits shall so far as practicable be processed and the proceeds shall be dealt with in accordance with directions issued by the overnment by which the permit was granted."

So, after the Japanese whalers make off with all the whale organs they intend to study (ear plugs, ovaries, the stomach and that sort of thing), they do their best to sell the rest, fulfill the terms of the commission's rules and, ideally, turn a profit while they're at it.;)

http://animal.discovery.com/tv-shows/whale-wars/about-whaling/japanese-whalers-japan-sell-whaling-meat.htm

Cookie_Monster

long range shooter wrote: »

Why not,as long as sea Shepard isn't involved in it

do you see no value in animals and bio diversity past exploiting them for your plate?

long range shooter

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

do you see no value in animals and bio diversity past exploiting them for your plate?

I do,I have two dogs I use when hunting deer.;)

Gatling

Scientific research my ass its butchery of whales for Japanese restaurants plain and simple,

What other scientific research is a profit making business that needs military protection which itself is an illegal as Japan is only allowed a self defense force to protect the country ,
Protection of a scientific whaling fleet,

We're all not that naive

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

Scientific research my ass its butchery of whales for Japanese restaurants plain and simple,

What other scientific research is a profit making business that needs military protection which itself is an illegal as Japan is only allowed a self defense force to protect the country ,
Protection of a scientific whaling fleet,

We're all not that naive[/

Sea shepard doesnt make the rules,IWC does.
And according to them they are allowed to sell whatever they catch.
And military protection might be needed when Sea Shepard is in the area.
They noticed that when they started to sabotage the Norwegian whaling fleet.

I am sure sea Shepard don't forget this moment:D


http://youtu.be/LHKkFOLC5Cg

And Paul Watson is off course manipulating the truth as usual.

And I think you are naive to believe in Paul Watson and Sea shepards lies

Gatling

Remind me what happened to the whaling fleet afterwards

long range shooter

Gatling wrote: »

Remind me what happened to the whaling fleet afterwards

Still going strong,catching 1286 minke whale this year;)

tricky D

Thread descended into circular arguments and bitchiness.

/Closed.