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Triathlon / Duathlon / Messing
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06-03-2012 3:04pm#1
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amphkingwest wrote: »In fairness there's a sense of the 'bigger kids, behind the sheds' feel about the T/D/A forum. Tucked away in our own little world with no-one bothering us.
I think it was more like a remedial class tbh, the 'runners' didn't want us distracting from there 12 week marathon plans and the like0 -
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I agree with all the above.
I do flick between each of the main forum, then into here, then logs.
I think it's quiet but there's no nonsense really, it's either relevant or it's not.
Quite like not having to trawl through the other threads to find some useful triathlon thread etc.
It also helps TI to find triathlon tables and the like to save them doing it :pac:
I'm in favour of keeping it, and no doubt it will pick up.
Also be handy for race reports and the likes depending if folks put them in their logs or out on their own.0 -
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Have not really been in the Athletics or running forum since. If i had my way ....this would just be a Triathlon forum.
How did adventuare racing get the same air time!!!
IMO people who focus on duathlons and more so adventure races are for people who can't swim. Canoe 1.5km..give me a break....
No problem people doing them....whatever floats your boat ..
If American football has its own forum why cant Triathlon.0 -
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bryangiggsy wrote: »Have not really been in the Athletics or running forum since. If i had my way ....this would just be a Triathlon forum.
How did adventuare racing get the same air time!!!
IMO people who focus on duathlons and more so adventure races are for people who can't swim. Canoe 1.5km..give me a break....
No problem people doing them....whatever floats your boat ..
If American football has its own forum why cant Triathlon.
Are most 'adventure races' not simply off road duathlons 0 -
griffin100 wrote: »Are most 'adventure races' not simply off road duathlons
There could be trouble, you'd better get your hat & go!!0 -
griffin100 wrote: »Are most 'adventure races' not simply off road duathlons
Pretty much, with a bit of kayaking (messing) thrown in. I'll preempt Enduro and say most AR races in Ireland aren't true ARs which are multi-day affairs and hardcore.
I doubt anyone is choosing off road races because they can't swim. You don't need to swim for triathlon these days. Racing in a wetsuit gives you more floatation than a kayak, not to mention additional swimming noodles.
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nerraw1111 wrote: »Pretty much, with a bit of kayaking (messing) thrown in. I'll preempt Enduro and say most AR races in Ireland aren't true ARs which are multi-day affairs and hardcore.
I doubt anyone is choosing off road races because they can't swim. You don't need to swim for triathlon these days. Racing in a wetsuit gives you more floatation than a kayak, not to mention additional swimming noodles.
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Didn't 2 or 3 people die in the NYC tri last year? The noodles were for anyone struggling as the current/conditions were bad. Possibly as bad as Skerries last June.0 -
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griffin100 wrote: »Are most 'adventure races' not simply off road duathlonsnerraw1111 wrote: »Pretty much, with a bit of kayaking (messing) thrown in. I'll preempt Enduro and say most AR races in Ireland aren't true ARs which are multi-day affairs and hardcore.
I doubt anyone is choosing off road races because they can't swim.
Yup, I have to respond to this one alright! Well pre-empted!
I both strongly agree and disagree with the quotes above, depending on how they're interpreted.
As nerraw1111 says, a large majority of the races that are labeled as "adventure races" in Ireland are nothing of the kind. It's a more extreme mis-naming than calling a sprint triathlon an ironman, as they don't even have the right sports to be considered a true AR, even before distances etc are considered.
The races which are being referred to are I presume are the likes of Gael Force (the originator of the trend), the Roars, the races who's name cannot be mentioned, etc etc are just short runs up and down a hill or two, a road cycle or two, and a pathetically short or non-existant kayak, often on s(h)it-on-top kayaks (why not give everyone Dublin bikes for the cycle legs while you're at it :rolleyes:). They are most definitely much closer to being off road duathlons than to being adventure races. In reality they're a step or two below that, since the cycling is on-road. The only other country that has these mongrel races that I know of is New Zealand. Over there they are called multi-sports races, which distinguishes them from triathlons on one side, and adventure races on the other.
An adventure race is usually done in mixed teams of 4, will generally have a minimum of hill-running/trekking, mountain biking, and kayaking/canoeing (proper big stages), and most importantly a massive underlying emphasis on self navigation and self reliance. That's probably the biggest thing that the multi-sport races are missing. Adventure Race durations can range from short sprint events of half a day or so duration, to multi-day expedition races. I did 3 expeditions last year, and their maximum allowed durations were 4 days, 6 days, and 9 days. And believe me, no-one is doing these because they can't swim! (But having said that, I'll happily admit to being a crap swimmer!). The multi-sports races are much closer to being triathlons than to being true ARs. Perhaps they are just an opportunity for non-simmers (and non-team players and non-navigators) to do a triple sport event.
There are several adventure races in Ireland, such as the CCAR race, the Beast of Ballyhoura, the Raid etc. They tend to get less discussion in here though. Pity, as they are far far far better events, and much more enjoyable.
Soometimes we even get people coming over from triathalon to give AR a go... I had a good conversation on a beach on a small island in the arabian gulf with this lad (we were overnight camping between kayak stages, and we offered his team our surplus food). As it happens his team didn't make it to the finish of that particular race, between crashes on mountain bikes and finding the kayaking to be pretty hard going. It was good to race against them though.0 -
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Yup, I have to respond to this one alright! Well pre-empted!
I both strongly agree and disagree with the quotes above, depending on how they're interpreted.
As nerraw1111 says, a large majority of the races that are labeled as "adventure races" in Ireland are nothing of the kind. It's a more extreme mis-naming than calling a sprint triathlon an ironman, as they don't even have the right sports to be considered a true AR, even before distances etc are considered.
The races which are being referred to are I presume are the likes of Gael Force (the originator of the trend), the Roars, the races who's name cannot be mentioned, etc etc are just short runs up and down a hill or two, a road cycle or two, and a pathetically short or non-existant kayak, often on s(h)it-on-top kayaks (why not give everyone Dublin bikes for the cycle legs while you're at it :rolleyes:). They are most definitely much closer to being off road duathlons than to being adventure races. In reality they're a step or two below that, since the cycling is on-road. The only other country that has these mongrel races that I know of is New Zealand. Over there they are called multi-sports races, which distinguishes them from triathlons on one side, and adventure races on the other.
An adventure race is usually done in mixed teams of 4, will generally have a minimum of hill-running/trekking, mountain biking, and kayaking/canoeing (proper big stages), and most importantly a massive underlying emphasis on self navigation and self reliance. That's probably the biggest thing that the multi-sport races are missing. Adventure Race durations can range from short sprint events of half a day or so duration, to multi-day expedition races. I did 3 expeditions last year, and their maximum allowed durations were 4 days, 6 days, and 9 days. And believe me, no-one is doing these because they can't swim! (But having said that, I'll happily admit to being a crap swimmer!). The multi-sports races are much closer to being triathlons than to being true ARs. Perhaps they are just an opportunity for non-simmers (and non-team players and non-navigators) to do a triple sport event.
There are several adventure races in Ireland, such as the CCAR race, the Beast of Ballyhoura, the Raid etc. They tend to get less discussion in here though. Pity, as they are far far far better events, and much more enjoyable.
Soometimes we even get people coming over from triathalon to give AR a go... I had a good conversation on a beach on a small island in the arabian gulf with this lad (we were overnight camping between kayak stages, and we offered his team our surplus food). As it happens his team didn't make it to the finish of that particular race, between crashes on mountain bikes and finding the kayaking to be pretty hard going. It was good to race against them though.
I thought you'd make an appearance alright I always considered AR's to be multi day events where navigation and similar skills were required, not the watered down version we see advertised as AR's in Ireland. That said I'm not saying Roar, Gaelfoece, etc are easy, whatever name you put on a race if you go hard they all hurt. In my case I spent so long getting to a mediorcre level at swimming that multi sport events with no swimming don't appeal to me 0 -
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Dpop stay away from tri athlone if u want to avoid fun runners. god help if your over 30 in one of the later waves...6 abreast along the road they jog. one of my clubmates summed it up perfectly one year. he said it was like the womens mini marathon of triathlon.donothoponpop wrote: »nerraw1111 wrote: »There's a good thread on slow twitch discussing swim safety at the moment. also a mammoth thread discussing the swim at NYC. The consensus re NYC was that people were way out of their depth rather than the conditions. Sorry for taking thread way off topic. Again, wasn't meant in bad taste.
I found that video very informative. Whatever about the conditions, there were plenty coping with them well enough. Huge gap in ability between those swimming, and the ones doing doggy paddle with noodles:eek: Are these entrants the Tri equivalent of fun runners? (I somehow thought Tri would be less accommodating to these sort, by its nature). 0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oObelwk8WAI
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