2 Irish arrested among leaders of Lulzsec

Seachmall

nacho libre wrote: »

Personally I feel sorry for the families of these guys. I'd argue the knowledge of the stress their families will now be under is punishment enough for the individuals involved.

Same here. The fear of prison would be hard enough but knowing how it would affect my family would crush me.

44leto

Seachmall wrote: »

Same here. The fear of prison would be hard enough but knowing how it would affect my family would crush me.

Any prison is bad,,American ones are awful, I also feel sorry for them.

But I also feel they were doing wrong. I put down to common vandalism, but a very expensive form of it.

conor.hogan.2

One guy was in college and by the prize he won I imagine doing CS, so he knew the consequences if caught.

Not to say it was all bad, a bit of balance though.

Capt'n Midnight

suicide_circus wrote: »

Wouldnt these guys have a strong case against extradition given the high likelyhood of them being raped and otherwise brutalised in federal prison in the US?

In the US Prison is what you go to after being found guilty.

Jail is the word used for where you go while awaiting trial and haven't gotten bail or are serving time for a minor sentence of up to a year.

Does anyone have any idea how long a case like this will typically take ?

How much would it cost to pay for lawyers ?

token101

wonderfulname wrote: »

They're right about everything except the implication that the actions of Anonymous are stemming the tide. Bluemetrix, Comscore Beaconmore, Google Chrome and Google Analytics are tracking my actions on this page right now, as we speak, another 4 companies have their eyes on me in my other open tab and according to Irish law an ISP can be forced to attempt to block me from accessing either. On top of that we've just signed ACTA which means in future not only might I be blocked from some content (provided I don't put any effort into my browsing) but action may be taken against me personally for accessing what they can't block. The US has managed to wrangle the right to not only seize domains in or of their own country, but also anything .com, .gov, etc. I could go on all day about how little privacy, security, and choice the average internet user has but I figure you should probably look into it yourself.

'Anonymous' inform people of this, take protest like action against it, and take actual, productive action to aid people who are seriously being hindered by blocks and censorship. This is why they are some peoples 'freedom fighters'.

They aren't my freedom fighters. Couldn't give a **** who's watching me really. The porn I watch is all legal, I don't hack anyone's data, and I doubt any of these people give a **** how many movies you steal from greedy Hollywood ****, the day they start prosecuting people personally for that is the day they might aswell close the internet. They're more likely to profile you and sell your data back to Hollywood and whoever else will buy it! Leave them off. To make it easier lads, I like hot women, big cars and a reasonably plausible storyline. So they know I like porn and Amazon, sure they could ****ing ring me and I'll tell them that.

Basically as long as you're not planning on killing people or doing something that any bumpkin would know is stupid, like hacking the FBI, then you'll be grand.

token101

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In the US Prison is what you go to after being found guilty.

Jail is the word used for where you go while awaiting trial and haven't gotten bail or are serving time for a minor sentence of up to a year.

Does anyone have any idea how long a case like this will typically take ?

How much would it cost to pay for lawyers ?

Years and millions. The latter being dependent on the former. Your man McKinnock is still going.

GombeanMan

Federal Prisons tend to be better than state prisons. State prisons tend to house more dangerous violent offenders.

120_Minutes

token101 wrote: »

They aren't my freedom fighters. Couldn't give a **** who's watching me really. The porn I watch is all legal, I don't hack anyone's data, and I doubt any of these people give a **** how many movies you steal from greedy Hollywood ****, the day they start prosecuting people personally for that is the day they might aswell close the internet. They're more likely to profile you and sell your data back to Hollywood and whoever else will buy it! Leave them off. To make it easier lads, I like hot women, big cars and a reasonably plausible storyline. So they know I like porn and Amazon, sure they could ****ing ring me and I'll tell them that.

Basically as long as you're not planning on killing people or doing something that any bumpkin would know is stupid, like hacking the FBI, then you'll be grand.

"they" love people like you. Here, here's fast and the furious 10 with starlet mcbigtits, just don't look over there where we're sneaking special forces into Syria, oh you didn't know about that? Course you didn't.....

lividduck

120_Minutes wrote: »

"they" love people like you. Here, here's fast and the furious 10 with starlet mcbigtits, just don't look over there where we're sneaking special forces into Syria, oh you didn't know about that? Course you didn't.....

So not only do you support cyber terrorism but you now support Assad's bloody regime? wow but you are some piece of work, BTW plenty of us wish they would send the special forces into Syria to deal with that scumbag the same way they dealt with Bin Laden

Capt'n Midnight

My name is URL wrote: »

The playing up by the FBI of Sabu grassing on the others is a master stroke. What better way to persuade these groups to stop what they are doing than by instilling a sense of distrust and uncertainty amongst their ranks?

Actually it's usually what happens in these cases. Check out history. First to see the writing on the wall and snitch gets a reduced sentence.

To launch attacks in relative safety you could choose to reside in a country that won't extradite you to the US. Or you could convince others to do your dirty work, like most of those launching DoS attacks on behalf of "Anonymous".

wonderfulname

lividduck wrote: »

So not only do you support cyber terrorism but you now support Assad's bloody regime?

Oxymoronic hyperbole alert

No actions linked to Anon or LulzSec constitute 'cyberterrorism', you should really look into what that actually means.

The poster did not claim to support Assad.

And why oxymoronic? You cannot support both the actions of Anon/LulzSec and Assad, given Anon's incredibly vocal opposition to the man;

Anonymous has set it's sights on the Syrian Government, in an operation dubbed #OpSyria. The Syrian government has never been shy at using force against it's own people. Intense tyranny and oppression have been going on for decades now inside Syria...

The Syrian people have had enough and now this government has a revolution on it's hands. The murders of innocent citizens by this regime have been ongoing. Anonymous has attacked Syrian Government servers and websites as a sign of solidarity with the Syrian people. More websites will follow. We will only stop when Bashar Assad steps down.

Source

You don't have a clue as to what Anonymous is or what is done in it's name, do you?

Amirani

I'd say there's a good chance they could beat extradition. There's legal precedent for blocking extradition if crimes committed are also crimes in Ireland and there's a charge brought here. I think any punishment they receive should be in Ireland.

lividduck

NiallSparky wrote: »

I'd say there's a good chance they could beat extradition. There's legal precedent for blocking extradition if crimes committed are also crimes in Ireland and there's a charge brought here. I think any punishment they receive should be in Ireland.

Can you quote that precedent, an actual case (other than a case brought under the Criminal Law Juristiction Act, which only applys to crimes committed in the UK)

Doc Ruby

wonderfulname wrote: »

Oxymoronic hyperbole alert

I forget, is that the one with a long siren then two short ones, or three short ones and a long one?

Lads, enough. They aren't freedom fighters and never intended to be, unless they were fighting for the freedom of some rapper not to be insulted. Lots of websites were poorly secured, they saw an opportunity to vandalise some of these websites and went for it

because they could.

No other reason. The justifications came later.

MadYaker

So many conflicting media reports. RTE say they have been charged by a US court, while examiner.ie says one has been released without charge and the other hasn't even been arrested?

lividduck

MadYaker wrote: »

So many conflicting media reports. RTE say they have been charged by a US court, while examiner.ie says one has been released without charge and the other hasn't even been arrested?

No confusion at all.
they were charged in their absence by a Court in ney York.
One had been arrested and questioned in Ireland and released pending a file being prepared for the DPP in relation to alleged offences committed here, the other one was not arrested.
Once the extradition warrants arrive they will eventually both be arrested and the Judicial process to extradite them will begin.

gurramok

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0308/1224313004124.html

The Garland case has set a timely precedent and boost to the defendants winning any extradition battle.

nacho libre

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Lads, enough. They aren't freedom fighters and never intended to be, unless they were fighting for the freedom of some rapper not to be insulted. Lots of websites were poorly secured, they saw an opportunity to vandalise some of these websites and went for it

because they could.

No other reason. The justifications came later.

Their actions directed at the Syrian government would suggest it wasn't all about seeking acclaim and gaining notoriety.
It would seem they merely felt that it was the right thing to do.

Doc Ruby

nacho libre wrote: »

Their actions directed at the Syrian government would suggest it wasn't all about seeking acclaim and gaining notoriety.
It would seem they merely felt that it was the right thing to do.

And what crimes against humanity did a bunch of online games commit a few months ago? Give over. Still I genuinely hope they beat extradition, youth and stupidity don't deserve what the Americans would do to them.

token101

gurramok wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0308/1224313004124.html

The Garland case has set a timely precedent and boost to the defendants winning any extradition battle.

UK citizens can get in here handy enough without passports or anything half the time, what's stopping these lads coming over here and just going through the whole extradition process again if they the UK courts ultimately ruled against them?

karma_

lividduck wrote: »

So not only do you support cyber terrorism but you now support Assad's bloody regime? wow but you are some piece of work, BTW plenty of us wish they would send the special forces into Syria to deal with that scumbag the same way they dealt with Bin Laden

Hmmm..

Your posting style reminds me of another poster that used to be here....

nacho libre

Doc Ruby wrote: »

And what crimes against humanity did a bunch of online games commit a few months ago? Give over. Still I genuinely hope they beat extradition, youth and stupidity don't deserve what the Americans would do to them.

I was simply pointing out their actions against the Syrian government can't be construed as merely acts of vandalism for the sake of notoriety. I didn't at any stage say I condoned any of their actions.

KittyeeTrix

I've met Darren a couple of times and he seems a nice lad........:)
Really do hope this will not be dragged out for him.

Haven't seen him on Campus today or in his usual spot so not sure what the story is regarding his arrest. As far as i know he hasn't been arrested!

nacho libre

lividduck wrote: »

So not only do you support cyber terrorism

Flutter, I'm just curious whether you think those who created the stuxnet worm virus should be held to account? Surely you must be since you're against cyber terrorism, no matter who is carrying it out

JupiterKid

Was one of the guys accused of hacking a member of DCU's Redbrick society? On an earlier post it showed his photo taken with Redbrick members for some type of computer skills award.

That got me thinking. Wasn't Paul Bunbury, the DCU student that went missing 5 weeks ago, also a member of Redbrick?

I wonder if Paul Bunbury's disappearance is linked to this computer hacking? Probably just a coincidence but you never know.

Amirani

lividduck wrote: »

NiallSparky wrote: »

I'd say there's a good chance they could beat extradition. There's legal precedent for blocking extradition if crimes committed are also crimes in Ireland and there's a charge brought here. I think any punishment they receive should be in Ireland.

Can you quote that precedent, an actual case (other than a case brought under the Criminal Law Juristiction Act, which only applys to crimes committed in the UK)

Garland case was the one I was referring to, as linked to by another poster.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

JupiterKid wrote: »

Was one of the guys accused of hacking a member of DCU's Redbrick society? On an earlier post it showed his photo taken with Redbrick members for some type of computer skills award.

That got me thinking. Wasn't Paul Bunbury, the DCU student that went missing 5 weeks ago, also a member of Redbrick?

I wonder if Paul Bunbury's disappearance is linked to this computer hacking? Probably just a coincidence but you never know.

I can't tell if this post is a joke or not...

http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~ioiprog/
He came 3rd in an Irish programming competition, nothing to do with hacking or cracking. The results were posted to a redbrick server, obviously an organiser is a member or something.

44leto

Even if they do beat the extradition, which to be honest I hope they do, either way their lives will be turned upside down, they will have a long legal battle ahead, there is no getting around that, that can be expensive, worrying, time consuming and in the media spot light.

So even if the extradition fails, the Americans send out a clear deterrent message. That this will no longer be tolerated.

Although the wiki leaks revelations last year that embarrassed the American government was not a result of hacking, that did show a chink in their armour and I think this is part of a policy directed toward a cyber crime zero tolerance policy.

I hope for their sakes some legal technicality gets them off and ends it quickly. Even though I think hackers in general are nuisances.

GombeanMan

44leto wrote: »

Even if they do beat the extradition, which to be honest I hope they do, either way their lives will be turned upside down, they will have a long legal battle ahead, there is no getting around that, that can be expensive, worrying, time consuming and in the media spot light.

So even if the extradition fails, the Americans send out a clear deterrent message. That this will no longer be tolerated.

Although the wiki leaks revelations last year that embarrassed the American government was not a result of hacking, that did show a chink in their armour and I think this is part of a policy directed toward a cyber crime zero tolerance policy.

I hope for their sakes some legal technicality gets them off and ends it quickly. Even though I think hackers in general are nuisances.

The real hackers don't pull this type of petty ****. Dennis M Ritchie, Alan Turing, Linus Torvalds, these guys are legitimate hackers. These guys are nothing more than petty crackers. There is a huge difference. Hackers don't break into systems illegally.

JupiterKid

georgiecasey wrote: »

I can't tell if this post is a joke or not...

http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~ioiprog/
He came 3rd in an Irish programming competition, nothing to do with hacking or cracking. The results were posted to a redbrick server, obviously an organiser is a member or something.

No, not a joke by any means. I just thought that some sort of link between the Paul Bunbury going missing issue and the Lulzsec hacking affair might exist.

GombeanMan

JupiterKid wrote: »

No, not a joke by any means. I just thought that some sort of link between the Paul Bunbury going missing issue and the Lulzsec hacking affair might exist.

There could very well be given the circumstances, but it's speculation at the moment. Not out of the question by any means, given the bunberry guy was a tech.

Seachmall

GombeanMan wrote: »

These guys are nothing more than petty crackers. There is a huge difference. Hackers don't break into systems illegally.

The legality of whats done isn't a defining characteristic of a hacker.

You can be one, the other or both.

A hacker, by one definition, is just someone who uses innovative solutions to solve [complex] problems, typically in relation to computers. Or it can be someone who is naturally curious and wants to learn everything and anything about a particular subject (once again, typically in relation to computers).

A cracker can very much fit these definitions.

BostonB

Seachmall wrote: »

...A hacker, by one definition,...

There's many definitions of a hacker. Its not really important to the story.

Seachmall

BostonB wrote: »

There's many definitions of a hacker. Its not really important to the story.

But the suggestion that a hacker's activities are exclusively legal is what I was addressing.

BostonB

These guys are defined by what they did. There isn't really any need to debate definitions.

Seachmall

BostonB wrote: »

These guys are defined by what they did. There isn't really any need to debate definitions.

I wasn't talking about these guys at all. I was addressing a specific comment that was made.