Reduce Dole Numbers

micropig

mercenary2 wrote: »

sounds to me like you are on that dole que and sick of living with mammy and daddy ,so u now want a payout to go abroad ,or else you work for the social and put this idea foward but they told you how stupid it actualy is so u want to show em a tread that ppl agree with u...

now here is a idea to save some tax money

teachers are civil servents that work for about 7-8 months a year minus there 4 week hol entilment that would still leave at least 3 mounths free yet they are paid for the full 12 mounths . local councils hire temps for 3 mounths a year for grass cutting ,litter picking etc. etc. so as the teachers are already being paid why not have them fill these temp positions then there is no need to pay new tempary contrcts for them mounths =big tax savings....

Now, there's an idea I'll support:D

lastlaugh

eth0 wrote: »

Blah blah dole scroungers

Move in with your parents and pay them rent

If you're not living off 19c tins of baked beans you're not sturggling

People on the dole don't need gas or electricity or bank accounts

Man up and pay the household charge

Let sick people rot and die to save money

Don't bother looking for missing fishermen, helicopter is too costly to run

and so on..

I'm glad I got that message across to you!

eyescreamcone

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teachers are civil servents that work for about 7-8 months a year minus there 4 week hol entilment that would still leave at least 3 mounths free yet they are paid for the full 12 mounths . local councils hire temps for 3 mounths a year for grass cutting ,litter picking etc. etc. so as the teachers are already being paid why not have them fill these temp positions then there is no need to pay new tempary contrcts for them mounths =big tax savings....[/Quote]

This might prove difficult to get past the unions but I like that you are using your obviously considerable intellect to good effect
Keep up the good work there

lastlaugh

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

What exactly do you want? Praise for yet another half baked, poor thought out and generally rubbish plan to deal with the countries social welfare bill?

AH see's at least 3 of these threads a week...so by now the simple fact that you somehow managed to rub two braincells together and came up with a piss poor idea is not really worthy of congratulations.

You should change your name to Mr Logic

No offense meant

woodoo

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Some interesting thoughts on present dole recipients and what they would do with this lump sum.

Are you mad :eek: The unemployed wretches would drink the lump sum :pac:

eth0

lastlaugh wrote: »

I'm glad I got that message across to you!

There is nothing serious about that post

Rabidlamb

Decaying social welfare over time is the correct response.
If you get laid off tomorrow you get 80% of your final salary.
This steps back over time to a bare minimum of €50 after 104 weeks.
It works in the states, people take up the menial jobs once they have to.

M cebee

give them a kick up the hole on the way out the post office

then again, i wouldn't like it if i end up there

eth0

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Decaying social welfare over time is the correct response.
If you get laid off tomorrow you get 80% of your final salary.
This steps back over time to a bare minimum of €50 after 104 weeks.
It works in the states, people take up the menial jobs once they have to.

but are there enough menial jobs to go around, or have they all been automated and outsourced?

bmcc10

I like the dole..The moneys not great but the hours are fantastic..

micropig

eth0 wrote: »

but are there enough menial jobs to go around, or have they all been automated and outsourced?

They could go help out down at the medical card office, I heard they're overworked and underpaid:p

Logical Fallacy

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Thanks a mil for all the positive input.
Some interesting thoughts on present dole recipients and what they would do with this lump sum
I was in the glass half full place hoping that people might want to improve their life if only they could get a few grand together.
But the glass half empty brigade think that they'll just do wreck
Maybe it would be a bit of both

Maybe I was naive in thinking that your average dole recipient is not the scum of the earth.
But it seems you experts know better than me.

Look, the Social already has a much better program to help people start their own business.

Stop whinging that no one likes you **** idea.

Son Of A Vidic

Hey OP, while you're at it, maybe you should design an identifiable mark or symbol for them? Maybe something like a Star of David perhaps?

mercenary2

unfortunatly high taxes drove large companys out of this country which leads to the not so lucky ones being on the dole ,who sets the taxes the goverment does so who is responsible for them being on the dole and who should look after them????? I think you will find the answer in the question ,solution major tax brakes to new companys starting up and reduce existing to a sustainable level.. I pay my way when traveling to work i buy my own lunch,,are politicins not just doing a job and if so should they not pay there own way.. and should a vote not be held to finally lower their wages..after all they were not forced to do poilitics as a job..

kevmol88

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Hey OP, while you're at it, maybe you should design an identifiable mark or symbol for them? Maybe something like a Star of David perhaps?

Start his/her own Tea Party...Right wing nuts :mad:

Nodin

...have we got to the anti-single mother lynch mob yet? I've a new quadruple pronged pitchfork to try out.

yermanoffthetv

Ok heres a suggestion, its not quite cost neutral but itll get people back working in a relatively short amount of time.

Overhaul jobsbridge,its being exploited to the hilt and the vast majority of people need work not experience.The remainants of jobsbridge/Fas should merge courses with work experience. Thatll force them to at least provide courses for jobs that are in demand.

Council rates are about €200 a week for a company. Offer a waiver of rates to companys who take 1 person off the dole que on the condition they they pay the new employee at least minimum wage and have no specific requirements for the jobs (3rd level,5yrs experience etc) Ban any company that is found to be exploiting this service. Councils will have to make the savings difference from the €12 per person,per week. God knows councils are the most inefficient shower going, it can be done.

Its not Ideal but at least people wont be sitting around miserable and will be out of the house everday and rebuilding their self confidence.

thoughts??? (be gentle! )

eyescreamcone

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Hey OP, while you're at it, maybe you should design an identifiable mark or symbol for them? Maybe something like a Star of David perhaps?

In a battle of wits I see you are half armed

Sonnenblumen

TeddyTedson wrote: »

You post is retarded You need to remember that a lot of their dole money is coming back to the government as tax.


Anyway, your post is a tad stupid, I hope you see that.

Retarded maths, I hope you see that.

micropig

Nodin wrote: »

...have we got to the anti-single mother lynch mob yet? I've a new quadruple pronged pitchfork to try out.

Hang tough, we're not quite there yet:p

I have an idea that will save everyone money. Get rid of cars and we'll get single mothers to carry us around in tuck-tucks for €6/day:D

Sonnenblumen

bmcc10 wrote: »

I like the dole..The moneys not great but the hours are fantastic..

Plenty of tea breaks;)

WindSock

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I agree with your sentiment, but not your exact choice of words. Rather than fucking off and bumming around Asia, why not just leave and spend a few months travelling around, seeing new things and perhaps learning, developing ideas and eventually returning to Ireland less narrow-minded, more appreciative of cultural diversity and perhaps with an idea or two that one could then use to generate a job for onerself and perhaps for others?:D

Been there, done that, came back more closed minded.

What's the difference between travelling and bumming around?

I suppose I could celebrate cultural diversity and traffic young girls to Ireland and train them in ping pong. That'd generate jobs, for sure.



Edit: Palindromic Postcount!

micropig

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Plenty of tea breaks;)

& free communion dresses:D

somethingdude

Yes. There is a problem with the social welfare bill. But you know what, the way to fixing it is by creating jobs, not throwing people off the dole. Of course how to create jobs - thats the actual problem.

But an example, 50,000 people get thrown off the dole and watch as crime reaches new levels.

Mod Note: Re-reg Banned

Sonnenblumen

somethingdude wrote: »

Yes. There is a problem with the social welfare bill. But you know what, the way to fixing it is by creating jobs, not throwing people off the dole. Of course how to create jobs - thats the actual problem.

But an example, 50,000 people get thrown off the dole and watch as crime reaches new levels.

Well, I guess whilst we're at it, we may as well relax the gun laws and liberalise the right to bear arms.

eyescreamcone

somethingdude wrote: »

Yes. There is a problem with the social welfare bill. But you know what, the way to fixing it is by creating jobs, not throwing people off the dole. Of course how to create jobs - thats the actual problem.

But an example, 50,000 people get thrown off the dole and watch as crime reaches new levels.

Nobody suggested throwing people off the dole
It was suggested as an optional scheme

What if 50000 emigrated to a better life
And the dole bill was substantially reduced
Who would lose except a few mammies crying at the airport

WindSock

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Well, I guess whilst we're at it, we may as well relax the gun laws and liberalise the right to bear arms.

Pfft. We don't have any bears.

Scruffles

WindSock wrote: »

Pfft. We don't have any bears.

wrong,theres build a bear http://www.buildabear.co.uk/lp/Ireland/ :cool:

WindSock

Scruffles wrote: »

wrong,theres build a bear http://www.buildabear.co.uk/lp/Ireland/ :cool:

Can I have the one that does the ping pong shows? Otherwise they're lame.

Nodin

WindSock wrote: »

Pfft. We don't have any bears.

...fairly sure theres a dedicated night for them at a certain venue....

up for anything

eyescreamcone wrote: »

The social welfare bill is a big minus on the countrys books at the moment.
We should try novel ways of reducing this valueless expense.

I would suggest offering anyone who has been unemployed for more than six months a lump sum equal to six months dole.
In return they could not claim again for a length of time 3 or 5 years.

This money could be used to set up a small business or emigrate even.

I wouldn't make it compulsory because we have to look after the total scroungers who can't/won't help themselves.

It sounds like you consider anyone who didn't take up your munificent scheme to be a total scrounger. Nice. :rolleyes:

eyescreamcone wrote: »

That would be their option.
They would not qualify for dole for 3 years

And you'll be perfectly happy to step over their dead bodies on the street on the way to your self employment?

eyescreamcone wrote: »

As a struggling member of the self employed I don't think I'd get much dole if I needed it would I?

Hang in there, they've come up with a new scheme to enable self-employed people to get the dole when they go belly up. Might take a year or two before it's generally available but at least then you can take your lump sum and fuck off out of the country with your wonderful ideas.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Maybe I was naive in thinking that your average dole recipient is not the scum of the earth.
But it seems you experts know better than me.

You really are a patronising piece of work.

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Decaying social welfare over time is the correct response.
If you get laid off tomorrow you get 80% of your final salary.
This steps back over time to a bare minimum of €50 after 104 weeks.
It works in the states, people take up the menial jobs once they have to.

As the proud and lucky possessor of one of the most menial jobs around I spend all my thinking time during work planning and plotting revenge on the general populace. I'm working on a formula for invisible acid to burn your bum, when you sit down on my nice clean toilet seats and leave more pubic hairs than any one person should possess on them. Then there's the mechanical arm that comes out when someone stands at the urinal and grabs their dick and pulls in it close to the porcelain so they don't dribble on the edge of the urinal and then onto to the floor. I haven't perfected it yet so it bobbits but sure the country can stand the loss of a few dicks. In the 'Ladies' my fiendish plot list is endless because the amount of scum posing as well-to-do women who specialise in abusing the conveniences are endless. I also love being treated like I'm invisible. I am reserving a special fate for those people who let their children eat Burger Bites and Wotsits while lying on the changing table - sure who gives a toss if they empty half the bag on the floor which is then ground into the crap which manages to make it's way from the toilet bowl to the floor.

Yeah, more people should be forced to take menial jobs. It's great for mental health and makes it possible to eat, but some days for some strange reason, my stomach churns at the thought of eating after work! :mad: Menial jobs for all. :rolleyes:

ToddyDoody

Reduce dole numbers by creating growth, obviously.. If we cant do that, the dole gets reduced slowly but surely to balance the books, ireland reverts to status as britain's poor neighbour

nice_very

heres an idea.... how about drastically reducing the salaries and expenses of our elected representatives, and the likes of the "rte stars", whilst comparing the dole list of 2012 to the dole list of 2005/6/7 and doing something about people obviously scamming the system, not to mention looking at taxing the "tax exiles" who are amongst the wealthiest in the country and most of all TELLING THE BONDHOLDERS TO GO DO ONE

how much could we save then?

Joe10000

I can't believe the anger being directed at the OP, maybe there is some personal history between some of you but the bitterness is OTT.

His idea is not fully teased out but it definitely has limited potential, why not give it some consideration instead of automatically thinking it is bashing people drawing the dole ?