Nicolas Sarkozy says France has too many foreigners

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17280647
French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said there are too many foreigners in France and the system for integrating them is "working more and more badly".
In a TV debate, Mr Sarkozy defended his plan to cut the number of new arrivals in half if he is re-elected next month.

A sure sign that he thinks that he thinks that growth in the future is going to be weak or non-existent!

MS.ing

is he including the old french colonies of north africa in that? or REAL foreigners?

RachaelVO

I'm assuming he means the French themselves are working "more badly"

Any fecking excuse for a strike!

Hande hoche!

Just election pandering.

44leto

This seems to be a trend I remember it was a British election issue as well. When there is a recession imigrants are seen as competition to the lowly and semi skilled. So I would say he is just answering Frances electorates concern.

MS.ing

MS.ing wrote: »

is he including the old french colonies of north africa in that? or REAL foreigners?

I suspect that he means all of them, it's the North Africans that have caused the biggest headache in France recently

Hande hoche!

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Just election pandering.

Yes, the far right have been making some headway recently, especially in the north near Lille.

losthorizon

is "working more and more badly" - His English is Terrible.

Hes right France is Full of Foreigners - most of whom are French. I was there last year and I couldn't understand a word they were saying.

RachaelVO

Deleted User wrote: »

I suspect that he means all of them, it's the North Africans that have caused the biggest headache in France recently

In fairness that's not just isolated to France, it just seems to get more attention in the media both nationally and worldwide!

RachaelVO

RachaelVO wrote: »

In fairness that's not just isolated to France, it just seems to get more attention in the media both nationally and worldwide!

I agree,it's more of an economic issue, lack of growth means that there is no reason to "welcome" foreigners to do the shit jobs any more.

GetWithIt

Damn right. All those Frenchies.

barney4001

Deleted User wrote: »

A sure sign that he thinks that he thinks that growth in the future is going to be weak or non-existent!

so has ireland

Chuck Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

ItsAWindUp

Would that be the same Nicholas Sarkozy with Hungarian parents?

Oddjob

France seems to have got all the ****e immigrants, we're lucky, we seem to have got all the great immigrants who just narrowly missed being Ms Poland and have 6 degrees each, yet fit 18 hours works into a 8 hour day and are the nicest people you'd ever meet.

On the rare 4 hour break they take on a Sunday morning, they also heal the sick and raise the dead.

Unlike those lazy bastard Irish, I've never met one who has raised anyone from the grave, even when we had full employment.

Chuck Stone

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Would that be the same Nicholas Sarkozy with Hungarian parents?

His Father is Hungarian but I'm fairly sure his Mother is Lacertilian.

Hande hoche!

Chuck Stone wrote: »

His Father is Hungarian but I'm fairly sure his Mother is Lacertilian.

Learnt a new word.

Chuck Stone

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Learnt a new word.

Mee too.

I had to look up a the word for 'lizard like'.

inagoodway

he looks like mr bean

m@cc@

Oddjob wrote: »

Unlike those lazy bastard Irish, I've never met one who has raised anyone from the grave, even when we had full employment.

Nah, they'd just have cemented over it, then built on it.

Run_to_da_hills

What a little racist prick of a man.

I'm sure Hitler said the exact same thing about Germany in the run up to the war.

That stupid man has put his foot in it once too often.

Celly Smunt

I don't know Lloyd the French are assholes.

Sindri

Deleted User wrote: »

A sure sign that he thinks that he thinks that growth in the future is going to be weak or non-existent!

I think he's trying to show a strong front and appeal to other right wing voters in the wake of the rising popularity of Le Pen's more extreme views in the upcoming Presidential elections.

Doc Ruby

Oddjob wrote: »

Unlike those lazy bastard Irish, I've never met one who has raised anyone from the grave

No, tried that once. Don't recommend it.

Oddjob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What a little racist prick of a man.

I'm sure Hitler said the exact same thing about Germany in the run up to the war.

What? I'm sure Hitler probably forgot to pay his phone bill in the run up to the war, he was fairly busy, but what's your point?

Chuck Stone

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What a little racist prick of a man.

In fairness immigration isn't necessarily a racist issue. It often has racist undertones but people do have legitimate concerns about pressure on services and increases competition for low skilled jobs.

The free market for the proletariat and and not so much for other more protected professions and all that jazz.

mikemac1

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I'm sure Hitler said the exact same thing about Germany in the run up to the war.

Wasn't Hitler trying to annex regions and bring in more citizens to a greater Germany

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What a little racist prick of a man.

And for your first point, unemployment is high and citizens are concerned. So politicians follow the trend

This post explains it:

44leto wrote: »

When there is a recession imigrants are seen as competition to the lowly and semi skilled. So I would say he is just answering Frances electorates concern.

And it's true, immigrants provide competition for the unemployed.
Hotels, shops, areas like that have wages driven down by immigration. You might get minimum wage, hard to get a good salary out of it

Some areas like highly skilled jobs have a lot more protection and less danger of you getting worse conditions

So anyway, where is the racist part? This is an economic issue

Run_to_da_hills

Chuck Stone wrote: »

In fairness immigration isn't necessarily a racist issue. It often has racist undertones but people do have legitimate concerns about pressure on services and increases competition for low skilled jobs.

The free market for the proletariat and and not so much for other more protected professions and all that jazz.

It would have been the Likes of Sarkozy himself (Little EU man) that would have been promoting the free movement of people across the EU, now he has the cheek to give out about it.

It wasn't long ago when posters were placed on trains across France warning people of Romanians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8534030.stm

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

I suspect that he means all of them, it's the North Africans that have caused the biggest headache in France recently

Really? You reckon they made all those economic decisions that has caused so many problems in France? :rolleyes:

Celly Smunt

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It wasn't long ago when posters were placed on trains across France warning people of Romanians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8534030.stm

Hmmm

2ygb4cmqetsjhx

This is very interesting to me. I was in Paris and the weekend. First thing that struck me was the amount of Muslims. I thought I was in Algeria or Saudi Arabia or somewhere. Not that thats a bad thing.

Oddjob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It would have been the Likes of Sarkozy himself (Little EU man) that would have been promoting the free movement of people across the EU, now he has the cheek to give out about it.

It wasn't long ago when posters were placed on trains across France warning people of Romanians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8534030.stm

So he's complaining about something that you think he might have been promoting in the first place.

But you have no idea either way?

Good man. You're dying a death in this thread.

Archeron

Oddjob wrote: »

France seems to have got all the ****e immigrants, we're lucky, we seem to have got all the great immigrants who just narrowly missed being Ms Poland and have 6 degrees each, yet fit 18 hours works into a 8 hour day and are the nicest people you'd ever meet.

On the rare 4 hour break they take on a Sunday morning, they also heal the sick and raise the dead.

Unlike those lazy bastard Irish, I've never met one who has raised anyone from the grave, even when we had full employment.

speak for yourself, I have an army of the undead. Ok, at the moment they are just ironing my underpants, but when the moment is right you better make sure your brains are in a time lock safe.

Nodin

...take our croissants, they take our wimmin, they pee in le pool when they go swimmin.....

dj jarvis

mikemac1 wrote: »

Wasn't Hitler trying to annex regions and bring in more citizens to a greater Germany



And for your first point, unemployment is high and citizens are concerned. So politicians follow the trend

This post explains it:


And it's true, immigrants provide competition for the unemployed.
Hotels, shops, areas like that have wages driven down by immigration. You might get minimum wage, hard to get a good salary out of it

Some areas like highly skilled jobs have a lot more protection and less danger of you getting worse conditions

So anyway, where is the racist part? This is an economic issue

eh no..... hitler succeeded in vilifying and criminalizing the Jews and the Slavs as sub human in the german peoples eyes via the media and propaganda long before he annexed other nations , and was never going to make people of fallen nations citizens of the Reich , they were to be slaves

sarkozy is playing the hand most politicians on the content are at the moment in pandering to the right and far right , Denmark , Holland and Finland have right wing party's sitting in government as we speak , France is not far off it either

blame the lack of resources in any country because of rising immigration and you wind the right up , no better time for the right to rise than during a crippling recession

sarkozy is not alone in this behaviour - it becoming trendy to be on the right in Europe

trouble is brewing in europe again , all it needs is a trigger

the euro anyone ?

charlemont

There's one fairly empty island in the Atlantic that could accommodate them.:D

Oddjob

Archeron wrote: »

speak for yourself, I have an army of the undead. Ok, at the moment they are just ironing my underpants, but when the moment is right you better make sure your brains are in a time lock safe.

I'm assuming that sounded a lot funnier in your head, it was the ironing your underpants that was the first clue. And then the zombie reference, I'm guessing you're not fending the ladies off with a stick?

Never mind..

Hande hoche!

dj jarvis wrote: »

eh no..... hitler succeeded in vilifying and criminalizing the Jews and the Slavs as sub human in the german peoples eyes via the media and propaganda long before he annexed other nations , and was never going to make people of fallen nations citizens of the Reich , they were to be slaves

sarkozy is playing the hand most politicians on the content are at the moment in pandering to the right and far right , Denmark , Holland and Finland have right wing party's sitting in government as we speak , France is not far off it either

blame the lack of resources in any country because of rising immigration and you wind the right up , no better time for the right to rise than during a crippling recession

sarkozy is not alone in this behaviour - it becoming trendy to be on the right in Europe

trouble is brewing in europe again , all it needs is a trigger

the euro anyone ?

I would assume the poster was referring to ethnic Germans in other countries such as Czechoslovakia and Poland.

Zebra3

dj jarvis wrote: »

eh no..... hitler succeeded in vilifying and criminalizing the Jews and the Slavs as sub human in the german peoples eyes via the media and propaganda long before he annexed other nations , and was never going to make people of fallen nations citizens of the Reich , they were to be slaves

Not true, he saw the citizens of many countries that Germany occupied as Aryan.

He bore no ethnic grudge against most Danes, Norwegians, French, Dutch and Belgians. Many gladly fought for Germany and were taken into the "racially pure" SS.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? You reckon they made all those economic decisions that has caused so many problems in France? :rolleyes:

As economic migrants, they made the decision to go to France, the problem is that France has failed to provide them with an equal status within the country. Some of the recent riots there have been by migrants complaining about their "second class" status.

As the French economy declines, things will get more nationalistic and migrants will get the shitty end of the stick.

By reducing the numbers coming in, he's probably hoping that the numbers who riot stay smaller.

dj jarvis

Rylie Ripe Vehemence wrote: »

This is very interesting to me. I was in Paris and the weekend. First thing that struck me was the amount of Muslims. I thought I was in Algeria or Saudi Arabia or somewhere. Not that thats a bad thing.

it is ... if i went to Saudi Arabia for a holiday and it was full of French people i would not be happy , if i wanted to see the French i would have gone to paris ........ oh wait

starbelgrade

Deleted User wrote: »

As economic migrants...............

Wait up.... you're a Mod now?!

A Mod of the "Home Appliances" forum?!!!!

LOL!

Nodin

dj jarvis wrote: »

it is ... if i went to Saudi Arabia for a holiday and it was full of French people i would not be happy , if i wanted to see the French i would have gone to paris ........ oh wait

So you're saying a muslim or somebody whose parents/grandparents etc weren't born in France can't be French.....?

Nodin

starbelgrade wrote: »

Wait up.... you're a Mod now?!

A Mod of the "Home Appliances" forum?!!!!

LOL!

Shush, before he irons out your nonsense.

dj jarvis

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not true, he saw the citizens of many countries that Germany occupied as Aryan.

He bore no ethnic grudge against most Danes, Norwegians, French, Dutch and Belgians. Many gladly fought for Germany and were taken into the "racially pure" SS.

yea but the slaves were going to be coming from the east , Poland , Belarus , Ukraine, Russia, Hungary Latvia Estonia - these places he had a grudge

anyway this is a bit off topic - hitler bad

back on topic - sarkozy is a little prick , and so is henry :-)

dj jarvis

dj jarvis wrote: »

trouble is brewing in europe again , all it needs is a trigger

the euro anyone ?

No, resource limitations (peak oil), China holding all the cards (oil, minerals and jobs) and near future shortages will light the blue touchpaper!

starbelgrade

starbelgrade wrote: »

Wait up.... you're a Mod now?!

A Mod of the "Home Appliances" forum?!!!!

LOL!

and???

Oddjob

Nodin wrote: »

So you're saying a muslim or somebody whose parents/grandparents etc weren't born in France can't be French.....?

That depends, do they want to be French?

Nodin

Oddjob wrote: »

That depends, do they want to be French?

As theres been a north african community there since before the 1st world war, I'd imagine so.

200yrolecrank

He's about 3 decades too late,France has over 5 million Muslims and there is feckall integration.
Nobodys fault but their own,those colonies came back to bite.

Pandora2

Oddjob wrote: »

France seems to have got all the ****e immigrants, we're lucky, we seem to have got all the great immigrants who just narrowly missed being Ms Poland and have 6 degrees each, yet fit 18 hours works into a 8 hour day and are the nicest people you'd ever meet.

On the rare 4 hour break they take on a Sunday morning, they also heal the sick and raise the dead.

Unlike those lazy bastard Irish, I've never met one who has raised anyone from the grave, even when we had full employment.

Posted this in a previous AH thread a while back..........

When my beloved grandmother passed away.....early one December, as her eldest granddaughter (and very close to her indeed :-) I was expected to do the whole rose into the grave....no bother, it was my honour....however I was recovering from a broken foot and I was in one of those old graveyards that are all uneven and you must climb over graves (as best you can) to get to your own plot. I thought of this but dismissed it as our family plot is very nearly on the pathway....so I struggled there with a big cast on me left foot and as I leaned forward to sadly say my final farewell...my brother, behind me, slipped bumped into me and away I went head first, crutch and all on top of Granny [

Handicapped as I was, I was of no help to myself in getting out and in the end it took 4 lads and about 10 minutes to haul me out So there I am face down in the hole, sniggering to be clearly heard above me......People had to go home and change their underwear after that funeral!! [/I] [/I]

So yeah I know a few lads who could be described as "Uptakers"!!

As for Sarkozy.......nothing surprising in this, he's simply telling the electorate what they want to hear!!