Nicolas Sarkozy says France has too many foreigners

dj jarvis

Nodin wrote: »

So you're saying a muslim or somebody whose parents/grandparents etc weren't born in France can't be French.....?

no . i was saying that if i arrived on holiday in Saudi Arabia and a good proportion of the people were French ,and i wanted to experience a Muslim culture i would be disappointed , visually only , not on their nationality

like going to Greece and being surrounded by bastardy drunk Danish people for 2 weeks - does not make for a Greek holiday really does it ,

same applies to my statement

Oddjob

Nodin wrote: »

As theres been a north african community there since before the 1st world war, I'd imagine so.

You imagine so? Well, that's good enough for me.

Pride Fighter

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Nodin

dj jarvis wrote: »

no . i was saying that if i arrived on holiday in Saudi Arabia and a good proportion of the people were French ,and i wanted to experience a Muslim culture i would be disappointed , visually only , not on their nationality

...so because they "look" like muslims (however that might occur) its not like France to you and they can't be culturally French....

charlemont

Rylie Ripe Vehemence wrote: »

This is very interesting to me. I was in Paris and the weekend. First thing that struck me was the amount of Muslims. I thought I was in Algeria or Saudi Arabia or somewhere. Not that thats a bad thing.

Try Birmingham, Thought I was in the Punjab.

Oddjob

Nodin wrote: »

...so because they "look" like muslims (however that might occur) its not like France to you and they can't be culturally French....

Maybe he's like you, and he imagines what he'd like to see.

Also enlighten us, what parts of French and Muslim culture are synonymous?

starbelgrade

Deleted User wrote: »

and???

Can you recommend a good steam cleaner for bathroom tiles?

dj jarvis

Nodin wrote: »

...so because they "look" like muslims (however that might occur) its not like France to you and they can't be culturally French....

oh FFS

listen if i showed you a picture of a woman in a full Muslim dress and asked you to name what country she came from you would answer France ??
thats the first country that would come into your head ?? really ......

the guy said he went to Paris on holiday and saw loads of muslins and felt like he was in north Africa or Saudi Arabia , then he said not that there is a problem with that , granted .... but i replied it is if you wanted to go to Paris

he wanted to go to Paris and felt like he was in north Africa ,

i said that was a pisser seeing he wanted to go to France

ta da .... it was a attempt at humour - sorry ya missed it

Nodin

Oddjob wrote: »

Maybe he's like you, and he imagines what he'd like to see.

Also enlighten us, what parts of French and Muslim culture are synonymous?

I wasn't aware that certain religions excluded one from being a part of a country. Not this side of the 20th century at least.

Which specific "muslim culture" are you referring to, as theres a few?

Or, if you're going to have a big whinge about "de muslims takin over"/incompatible with Western culture nonsense, you might drop the foreplay and get down to the main event. Either is good.

200yrolecrank

Nodin wrote: »

dj jarvis wrote: »

no . i was saying that if i arrived on holiday in Saudi Arabia and a good proportion of the people were French ,and i wanted to experience a Muslim culture i would be disappointed , visually only , not on their nationality

...so because they "look" like muslims (however that might occur) its not like France to you and they can't be culturally French....

Obviously you have never lived in France and I will have to enlighten you a bit.
Go to a public pool,must wear speedos to discourage Muslims wearing their garments in the pool.
Public schools are completely getthoised, as the French don't want to send their kids to a school dominated by Muslim kids.
Suburbs are destroyed in the large cities as complete no go areas as they do not want to embrace the French culture and prefer to form micro communities in high rise apartments at the expense of the taxpayer.
Muslims in France are either North African or from the firmer colonies and they despise the French culture,during any football qualifiers the amount if Algerian flags along the Champs Élysées with youths swinging from cars and shouting abuse at passers by is just the right cultural experience you would delight to see as a tourist strolling hand in hand with your good lady.

Sindri

Ye sons of France, awake to glory,
Hark, hark! what myriads bid you rise!
Your children, wives and white-haired grandsires.
Behold their tears and hear their cries! (repeat)
Shall hateful tyrants, mischiefs breeding,
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The avenging sword unsheath,
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All hearts resolv'd
On victory or death!

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The dogs of war, let loose, are howling,
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alt: And lo! our homes will soon invade!
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That falsehood's dagger tyrants wield,
But freedom is our sword and shield,
And all their arts are unavailing.

To arms, to arms, ye brave!..


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starbelgrade

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Obviously you have never lived in France and I will have to enlighten you a bit.
.

Is it just me or is there a smell of arsehole off that sentence?

Sindri

starbelgrade wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a smell of arsehole off that sentence?

Yes, you are talking to his arse. By any chance are you a midget?

200yrolecrank

starbelgrade wrote: »

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Obviously you have never lived in France and I will have to enlighten you a bit.
.

Is it just me or is there a smell of arsehole off that sentence?

Sense of reality lad

Nodin

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Obviously (.........)with your good lady.

Thanks for that wonderfully informative post. I must congratulate you on not presenting any sweeping statements, generalisations or over-simplifications, and taking pains to avoid stereotyping.

Again, on behalf of humanity, thanks.

Rented Mule

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starbelgrade

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Sense of reality lad

Are you always this annoying?

200yrolecrank

Nodin wrote: »

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Obviously (.........)with your good lady.

Thanks for that wonderfully informative post. I must congratulate you on not presenting any sweeping statements, generalisations or over-simplifications, and taking pains to avoid stereotyping.

Again, on behalf of humanity, thanks.

You forgot anecdote your favourite little word.
It seems if there ever is a thread regarding any minority Nodin is right in there screaming the poor mouth.
Seriously do you just go around all day moaning about how unfair we all are here.

Nodin

200yrolecrank wrote: »

You forgot anecdote your favourite little word.
It seems if there ever is a thread regarding any minority Nodin is right in there screaming the poor mouth.
Seriously do you just go around all day moaning about how unfair we all are here.

No, I just point out crap when I see it.

200yrolecrank

starbelgrade wrote: »

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Sense of reality lad

Are you always this annoying?

I could say the same for you so let's leave it there .

Sindri

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Would that be the same Nicholas Sarkozy with Hungarian parents?

And an Italian wife.

starbelgrade

200yrolecrank wrote: »

I could say the same for you so let's leave it there .

Obviously you've never read my posts, so let me enlighten you.

200yrolecrank

starbelgrade wrote: »

200yrolecrank wrote: »

I could say the same for you so let's leave it there .

Obviously you've never read my posts, so let me enlighten you.

Obviously your a fool if you think that.

starbelgrade

200yrolecrank wrote: »

Obviously your a fool if you think that.

Don't be gay.

Chuck Stone

This is why we can't have nice things.

Solair

He's just desperate for votes and trying to ensure that Marine Le Pen doesn't take the entire xenophobic vote.

It's pure electioneering and very little else.

Father Damo

Oddjob wrote: »

What? I'm sure Hitler probably forgot to pay his phone bill in the run up to the war, he was fairly busy,

Not too busy to pay the gas bill :eek:

Nodin

Solair wrote: »

He's just desperate for votes and trying to ensure that Marine Le Pen doesn't take the entire xenophobic vote.

It's pure electioneering and very little else.

...other than "ugly".

France's Jews and Muslims united Tuesday to complain they were being used as pawns in a presidential election increasingly dominated by bitter disputes over national identity and ritual slaughter.
"France's problems are so major, as we are in a period of crisis, so how can the issue of kosher meat and halal meat be a major problem for France?" asked an exasperated Grand Rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim.

For its part, the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) slammed what it said was the use of Muslims as "scapegoats" in the election campaign in which halal slaughter of animals has become a hot-button issue.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120305-fillon-france-kashrut-kosher-halal-jews-muslims-election

jbv

He forgot to mention himself?
Sarkozy it's a very french name.
Hope somebody else will be elected.

Ellis Dee

I guess he's just desperate. Bruni is on the rag, he's in the doghouse, the only woman who pretends to be nice to him is the panzer-like Merkel and Hollande is leading in the polls. A bit of foreigner-bashing is always the last resort of the prick politician who has nothing else to offer. I just hope we don't follow the example of that wizened little leprechaun in Ireland.:):):)

biko

Solair wrote: »

He's just desperate for votes and trying to ensure that Marine Le Pen doesn't take the entire xenophobic vote.

It's pure electioneering and very little else.

Le Pen probably won't make it. She needs 500 official signatures and is still short.

Everyone is going on about there's "right-wing winds" over Europe. Why is that? People didn't just turn right-wing for no reason.
It could be because of the unprecedented immigration levels, people don't recognise their home towns any more. There is no work and people turn to the easiest explanation, the fordners took the jobs. Of course youtube videos of French immigrant youth attacking police and other citizens doesn't help.

I don't blame the immigrants (that doesn't commit crime) for wanting a better life and moving to wealthy France. I blame the politicians that allowed it to happen too fast.
And what is so surprising is that the immigrants are welcomed by the French left. The left is working class and in direct competition with the immigrants for jobs and resources.
The well educated middle and upper classes aren't worried about their jobs.

biko

starbelgrade and 200yrolecrank, banned from thread

AngryBollix

If Jean Marie le Pen had said this world war 3 would be about to break out

AngryBollix

Solair wrote: »

He's just desperate for votes and trying to ensure that Marine Le Pen doesn't take the entire xenophobic vote.

It's pure electioneering and very little else.

Doesnt every politician do that to some degree?

They say what they think some people want to hear. Thats a given

Sindri

France has too many French people and not enough soap.

Solair

Nodin wrote: »

...other than "ugly".

Well, that too... but this is Sarkozy you're talking about !!!

He's not the most philosophically-driven president that France has ever had and is not exactly Mr Popularity. He's constantly up to his neck in criticism over slashing cash on personal expenses and also on basically attempting to buy an election, Fianna Fail style through lavishly spending the tax payers' own money.

So, to counteract all this negative press, he'll do anything. You are talking about France's most populist president in a very long time.

Check out these for a bit of a flavour of Sarkozy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/28/sarkozy-shower-spending-eu
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053994/Nicolas-Sarkozy-Will-Emperor-Excess-bankrupt-France.html
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/sarkozys-rich-tastes-are-exposed-3010598.html
http://www.economist.com/node/21546015
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/09/jean-sarkozy-nepotism-row

Anyone

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Nothingbetter2d

Oddjob wrote: »

we're lucky, we seem to have got all the great immigrants

i don't know if that is strictly true... we got plently of polish leechers signing on that don't live in ireland anymore and plenty more from africa doing the same.

ejmaztec

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Would that be the same Nicholas Sarkozy with Hungarian parents?

He already sent the Hungarian half back to Hungary, which is why he's so short.

KeithAFC

It does seem to be a major problem in France. I admire that he is pointing it out but he should do something about it. Cut off immigration. Should do the same in the UK.

kraggy

Considering the EU is a single market for goods, and people, he's obviously referring to immigtrants from Africa and the Middle East.

They can't prevent people from EU moving to France, as far as I know. Which begs the question, how was he allowed to kick the Roma out a few months ago. They're from Romania, Hungary and other EU countries.

Anyone shed some light on that?

RachaelVO

kraggy wrote: »

Considering the EU is a single market for goods, and people, he's obviously referring to immigtrants from Africa and the Middle East.

They can't prevent people from EU moving to France, as far as I know. Which begs the question, how was he allowed to kick the Roma out a few months ago. They're from Romania, Hungary and other EU countries.

Anyone shed some light on that?

Well just because you're from the EU it doesn't mean they can't kick you out, can't stop you from re-entering as such, but you won't get anything, if you're moving from an EU country to an EU Country, in most instances you have to have a job or the means to support yourself.

Nodin

biko wrote: »

Le Pen probably won't make it. She needs 500 official signatures and is still short.

Everyone is going on about there's "right-wing winds" over Europe. Why is that? People didn't just turn right-wing for no reason.
It could be because of the unprecedented immigration levels, people don't recognise their home towns any more. There is no work and people turn to the easiest explanation, the fordners took the jobs. Of course youtube videos of French immigrant youth attacking police and other citizens doesn't help.

I don't blame the immigrants (that doesn't commit crime) for wanting a better life and moving to wealthy France. I blame the politicians that allowed it to happen too fast.
And what is so surprising is that the immigrants are welcomed by the French left. The left is working class and in direct competition with the immigrants for jobs and resources.
The well educated middle and upper classes aren't worried about their jobs.

The thing is, he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. Rather than say 'we don't need new immigrants...' he talks about 'immigrants' and 'foriegners' - both terms used to describe Frances pre-existing minorities. Thus its essentially bash the minority dressed up as a rational discussion of immigration policy.

pickarooney

biko wrote: »

The left is working class and in direct competition with the immigrants for jobs and resources.
The well educated middle and upper classes aren't worried about their jobs.

This is a gross misrepresentation of electoral demographics.

Biggins

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Just election pandering.

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