Ever hear of Joseph Kony??

hidinginthebush

WindSock wrote: »

Further update

Further update

leakyboots

Been there, done that, bought the...

http://www.cafepress.fr/+teeshirts_noirs,626633311

nacho libre

FrostyJack wrote: »

Hopefully it won't turn out like Live Aid, where they end up extending the war. Machine Gun Preacher was a much better film for raising awareness than this tripe.

Machine Gun Preacher, while undoubtedly raising awareness of crimes we wouldn't tolerate here, is seemingly a load of tripe. There are serious question marks about what exactly Childers is up too

Caliden

El Weirdo wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77483009&postcount=9139

General Butt Naked you say?

Conor108

All the funny pictures on this thread make me wonder why AH is the one board we can't insert images?

bb1234567

Conor108 wrote: »

All the funny pictures on this thread make me wonder why AH is the one board we can't insert images?

Why is this guy suddenly so well known?? I literally never heard of him once before last night, then just last night every single thing on facebook newsfeeds about him, everything on twitter too. And today many people were talking about him and everyone knew who he was! Why did he get so unbelievably famous in such a short space of time, the video on youtube about him was only released yesterday and it has almost 40 million views now. Did this whole world campaign against him only start a few days ago?

Vicxas

Kony.... Isnt that the guy that invented those PUMA knockoffs?

Irishchick

He's not even in Uganda anymore. Its all a scam to make profit for IC. They only donate 30% of the taking to people.

Ignore all this crap and donate 5 quid to trocaire.

enfant terrible

Is there any way we could blame it on the Americans?

benway

El Weirdo wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77483009&postcount=9139

Nailed it.

Kony, absolute psycho that he undoubtedly is, never would have become what he became without the acquiescence of the Museveni government, which was conveniently close to the States, particularly under Bush. A lot of money was spent on arms, wages and equipment for soldiers that didn't actually exist - google "ghost soldiers" Uganda - plus there was the fact that the northern area is the power base for Museveni's main rivals, so there was a political imperative to keep the region unstable and to maintain a large military presence.

I was told, by a good source, that Kony could easily have been captured or killed a decade ago if the will was there, and should have been given the amount of resources that were expended "hunting" him. It's never as simple as it's made out to be with these things....

nacho libre

enfant terrible wrote: »

Is there any way we could blame it on the Americans?

As you've pointed out many times in the past, there are times where it's right to condemn America, but we can't in this particular case.

nacho libre

benway wrote: »

I was told, by a good source, that Kony could easily have been captured or killed a decade ago if the will was there, and should have been given the amount of resources that were expended "hunting" him. It's never as simple as it's made out to be with these things....

I have heard those rumours too. Of course if it was a vital US interest at stake Kony would likely have been captured in the past. However, in saying that, i think Obama wasn't merely looking after a national interest when he sanctioned the deployment of a 100 US special forces last October to assist Ugandian troops. For this reason, I suspect no other US president would have sanctioned this move.
You're right when you say it's not a clear cut case of good guy v bad guy in a lot these African conflicts. Quite a few groups in Sudan used child soldiers, yet from watching Machine Gun Preacher you're encouraged to believe otherwise.
Childers doesn't seem to be as pure as he's made out to be either.

RichieC

Irishchick wrote: »

He's not even in Uganda anymore. Its all a scam to make profit for IC. They only donate 30% of the taking to people.

Ignore all this crap and donate 5 quid to trocaire.

I think the YLYL picture nails it, it is stage one of the US moving into an African interventionist stance.

im invisible

and the craic was good...

Yakult

http://thatneedstogo.tumblr.com/post/18907388408/kony-2012-causing-more-harm-than-good

enfant terrible wrote: »

Is there any way we could blame it on the Americans?

Probably gave/giving them guns and ammunition in the first place.

Sisko

Flojo wrote: »

I'm still on the fence about The Invisible Children campaign. I think raising this level of awareness about the atrocities happening in Africa is awesome but this type of thing has been happening for years and is a lot more bloody complex then people think. Not impressed with only 32% of the proceeds going towards the actual cause either, while the 3 founders net themselves a nice 200k each for 2011. I'm on the children's side of course but trying to force it to be resolved before December could spark a major blow out with a lot of those young lives lost. Now that there's more attention spotlighting the issue an intelligent solution should come into fruition, more time is needed however. I just think people should hear the other side too.

tl;dr?
Awareness = Awesome.
Giving money to ICC = Not so awesome it seems.

Try http://www.africare.org/ instead. They have much better ratings on http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3220

Flojo wrote: »

[32%]
"Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production."
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

[Financial statements]
http://c2052482.r82.cf0.rackcdn.com/images/737/original/FY11-Audited%20Financial%20Statements.pdf?1320205055


I just think the money should be given straight to African aid organizations. Let them help themselves, pump it into their own economy, and not have it lining any Western pockets and worse still have it lining the pockets of a shady military that have zero say in the now affected countries.
Don't get me wrong I appreciate the awareness that the 30minute video created. It just saddens me that it takes this kind of funky editing/music and emotional porn to get people up in arms.

Yeah I ****ed up with 200k, that was a figure that was floating around yesterday before the proper facts came out. I've had a long day and I'm wrecked. M'bad! Their expenses are not included in that 80+k actually. The organization expenses include their wage.

This dude/tte sums it all up nicely...

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qlejg/kony_2012_is_a_campaign_that_aims_to_make_joseph/

Got a bit of a giggle out of this. http://i.imgur.com/K3mgn.jpg


They've got a stupid amount of people now interested and that money could easily go and fund a war machine. Hopefully it won't but this could very well back fire.

Good post. I certainly found the video moving in parts. But its designed that way.

There is a lot of emotional manipulation going on and felt there was something not quite right with the guy behind the clip. Doing more research has led me to believe pretty much exactly what you've said there. Its certainly a positive thing that so many are now aware of Kony. But the situation is incredibly complex and this invisible children group , as bolded in your post... seem a little...off to me... to put it nicely.

Peace and the development of Africa will be one of major steps that humanity must over come but its a long way away and such a delicate scenario. Western imperialism is the main cause of all the strife on that continent and I worry the west may continue to cause further set backs if people who are not so fully informed and education on the real story start diving in head first.

The African question is an incredibly tough one with no easy answer. Its so easy to make the situation worse through ignorance. It's like walking on thin ice. There's so much bull**** out there its unreal.

Jaafa

Facebook are censoring any links criticizing KONY 2012 or invisible children. The above link Yakult posted is blocked and so are links to other blogs, at least in FB statuses anyway. A few youtube vids have also been taken down. This is unbelievable.

djPSB

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417349_3305195796264_1459103727_33019373_935163089_n.jpg

Sisko

Jaafa wrote: »

Facebook are censoring any links criticizing KONY 2012 or invisible children. The above link Yakult posted is blocked and so are links to other blogs, at least in FB statuses anyway. A few youtube vids have also been taken down. This is unbelievable.

WTF?:mad:

That doesn't sound good at all.

A Primal Nut

Helix wrote: »

the Kony thing has me torn tbh. obviously the crap he gets up to is completely unacceptable, but i also believe that it's unacceptable for the likes of america to play world police

Well they have the biggest army so they are the obvious ones to go to. Ask Bosnians in Srebrenica about the world standing by and doing nothing.

There is often more anger in countries where the rest of the world did nothing than when they got involved.

But I have no doubt that if America did get involved and arrest Kony the anti-Americans would be out in droves complaining and blaming it all on Israel and the fact Uganda is oil.

People always say America only gets involved because of oil, well Uganda have oil and America still haven't got invoved....

enfant terrible

RichieC wrote: »

I think the YLYL picture nails it, it is stage one of the US moving into an African interventionist stance.

Americans! I knew it was them! Even when it was Kony, I knew it was them.

Jaafa

Sisko wrote: »

WTF?:mad:

That doesn't sound good at all.

Go ahead try posting Yakults link as your status.

woodoo

I'm not so sure about this Invisible Children group anymore. They have questions to answer. A lot more detail is needed on how they spend the money they raise.

I'd still like to see Kony dealt with though.

nacho libre

Jaafa wrote: »

Go ahead try posting Yakults link as your status.

I've just done so.

Assassin saphir

When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

Jaafa

nacho libre wrote: »

I've just done so.

Myself and three of my friends were unable. Perhaps I stand corrected however.

MadYaker

keith16

Jaafa wrote: »

Myself and three of my friends were unable. Perhaps I stand corrected however.

I am also unable...

NufcNavan

Raising awareness is fine, but what 'invisible children' is doing is exploitation of 'slacktivism' to make money.

1. the timing is a nonsense, given that Kony and his army have been less than present in Uganda for a short while.
2. the Ugandan 'government' (read: dictator) seems entirely corrupt, and the history of the crimes against the North Ugandans is pretty horrific. Supporting that govt. is abhorrent.
3. throwing troops at the issue is a nonsense.

Anyway, there's some good blogs out there that i've been reading today, alongside the pro-Invisible Children stuff and i just cannnot see any reason to believe they're not in it for the money.

GoldDustWoman

Never heard of him and from what you said in your post OP I don't want to click on that link. He doesn't sound like a very nice character. I don't really need to read horrors right now.

nacho libre

Jaafa wrote: »

Myself and three of my friends were unable. Perhaps I stand corrected however.

Strange. I tried it again and it worked. Maybe you and your friends are considered influential people, whereas I'm not

Seanchai

woodoo wrote: »

Has anyone heard of this monster. Truly shocking what he has been doing to children for 20 years or more.

http://vimeo.com/37119711

Never heard of him, but I just watched the film and I must say it was disappointing. I expected it to be more harrowing and detailed. The presenter going on about his own son back in the States while I was looking for information, statistics, a history and details about Kony was patronising and entirely superfluous to what I was looking for in that film.

humberklog

It's grotesque. It's this type of shenanigans that give white people a bad name.

Logical Fallacy

ringadingding wrote: »

he'll end up in celebrity big brother if this campaign keeps up

Pretty sure he has his own show "I'm A Child Soldier, Get Me Out of Here".

GoldDustWoman

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Pretty sure he has his own show "I'm A Child Soldier, Get Me Out of Here".

Hilarious.

Hande hoche!

humberklog wrote: »

It's grotesque. It's this type of shenanigans that give white people a bad name.

The Belgians are to blame.

krudler

wanting Kony brought to justice= good thing. advocating supporting Ugandan military and sending in troops= bad thing. being Kony to justice by....slaughtering his army of child soldiers protecting him? irony much?

Logical Fallacy

GoldDustWoman wrote: »

Hilarious.

I thought so.

Sorry if i am treating the situation with less gravity than you feel it merits, but the video is made up of images that are six years old, and I've spent the day reading assorted articles and blogs by Ugandan journalists and citizens who seem to believe that Kony is no longer active in Uganda and his army now numbers in the hundreds.

They seem to feel it's largely and effort to generate donations by said charity.

If you want to feel horrible about it then fine...feel free. If you would like to feel horrible at the right time then you need for back about 10 years...when the whole thing original broke and it was largely ignored.

El Inho

so whats the official boards approach?

hate kony?
hate the campaign?
couldnt care less?

i think all of the above are arseholes...and everyone falls into one...

are we all arseholes?

(except the hate kony people...now im confused)

GoldDustWoman

eldwaro wrote: »

so whats the official boards approach?

hate kony?
hate the campaign?
couldnt care less?

i think all of the above are arseholes...and everyone falls into one...

are we all arseholes?

(except the hate kony people...now im confused)

Hate Kony. Obviously.
I don't know enough about the campaign to comment on it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

eldwaro wrote: »

so whats the official boards approach?

hate kony?
hate the campaign?
couldnt care less?

i think all of the above are arseholes...and everyone falls into one...

are we all arseholes?

(except the hate kony people...now im confused)

Couldn't give a fiddlers fvck tbh.

krudler

GoldDustWoman wrote: »

Hate Kony. Obviously.
I don't know enough about the campaign to comment on it.

maybe you should read up on it then, basically Kony is bad, so they want equally as bad men to go in and stop him by killing more kids. although maybe Kony will surrender if their facebook page gets enough likes.

ayeboy

Kids... say no to C.A.K.E!!!

me m

Kony 2012. Watched that video on you tube and its a load of bollocks. Anyone who buys that Kit is a moron. Lining peoples pockets is all your doing.

Cianos

From a Ugandan perspective (may have been posted already, not looking through 13 pages of memes!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVY5jBnD-E

nfs

The millions of people watching this documentary probably could not even point out Uganda on the map or even know who Idi Amin was, but just because celebrities like p diddy tweet 'stop kony', they think this is the pressing political issue the world faces today. This is something that has been going on for 20 odd years and people don't even think about why this is being put in front of them now! Kony hasn't even been in Uganda for the past six years http://rt.com/news/koni-viral-video-campaign-133/

Kony 2012, this little catchphrase will provide the justification for the next military intervention, and when they can't get Kony they will have to send in the drones (go team america)!

But hey if you question it, you must be for child torture and rape, spare us from these simplistic arguments.

Babybuff

Cianos wrote: »

From a Ugandan perspective (may have been posted already, not looking through 13 pages of memes!)

watching this video and listening to this woman talk gives makes me much more optimistic and hopeful about change in Uganda and Africa than any of the viral campaign about Kony.

DoinkTheClown

A friend emailed me this message thread in work today. I honestly dont know what to make of it tho. Of course this Joesph Kony is one evil man and has to be stopped. No question. But I also feel I am watching a film maker who has his agendas about getting himself exposure. After watching it I am left with the thought was it made to make people aware of their horrible situation? or was it made to make more people aware of the film maker?

nfs

DoinkTheClown wrote: »

A friend emailed me this message thread in work today. I honestly dont know what to make of it tho. Of course this Joesph Kony is one evil man and has to be stopped. No question. But I also feel I am watching a film maker who has his agendas about getting himself exposure. After watching it I am left with the thought was it made to make people aware of their horrible situation? or was it made to make more people aware of the film maker?

or was it made to serve the interests of foreign interventionists and the military industrial complex and war profiteers?

DoinkTheClown

nfs wrote: »

or was it made to serve the interests of foreign interventionists and the military industrial complex and war profiteers?

Its funny you should mention that. I was thinking how come the US arent getting involved to resolve that conflict?
"Team america world police" after all. Can't help but feel because there isnt oil there it doesnt matter.