Ever hear of Joseph Kony??

PhlegmyMoses

I call my penis Joseph Kony. Not because it is big and black, but because it has psychologically scarred loads of children.

FrostyJack

DoinkTheClown wrote: »

Its funny you should mention that. I was thinking how come the US arent getting involved to resolve that conflict?
"Team america world police" after all. Can't help but feel because there isnt oil there it doesnt matter.

There is oil in Uganda.

RichieC

Wellity wellity wellity....

Oil find sparks new hope for Uganda's people
Vast discovery could transform the economy – but only if managed well

On the remote western edge of Uganda the land suddenly drops down into the western arm of the Great Rift Valley to reveal the vast expanse of Lake Albert and the blue mountains of Congo beyond. Hippos and marabou storks wander the shoreline near the tiny fishing villages whose hauls of Nile perch, tilapia, catfish and white herring sustain the local economy. But now there are new, less natural features marking the landscape, ones that could change the course of the country.

"We never knew we were sitting on oil here," said James Ocham, a 27-year-old fisherman outside the Classic Inn Lodge and Bar as he gazed towards an oilrig erected alongside a nearby lagoon. "In time we are all going to benefit – there will be jobs, even for the unemployed."

The discovery of vast oil reserves in Uganda has caused excitement across the country, and more than a touch of anxiety too. Energy companies have recently found more than 700m barrels of commercially viable oil in the pristine Albertine Graben region, representing the first major petroleum strike in east Africa. Tullow Oil, the FTSE 100 company leading the exploration, believes the exploitable deposits could exceed 1.5bn barrels, reserves comparable to Equatorial Guinea and the Republic of Chad .

If managed well, the petrodollars could transform the economy of the landlocked country, potentially doubling the state's revenues, creating thousands of jobs and help realise President Yoweri Museveni's dream of industrialising the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/25/uganda-oil-find-energy-companies

benway

Yoweri Museveni's dream of making his cronies rich beyond their wildest imaginings, and of finally subjugating the Acholis in the north. What a b@stard.

Apparently the States will be getting 25% of their oil from Africa in the not too distant.

2ndcoming

The timing of this is pretty suspect to say the least...

Kony's crimes have been going on for more than 25 years and at one stage the LRA had a formidable presence in Central Africa. Now they are a raggle taggle outfit thought to number 200 or less, most of whom would have been child soldiers in the first place.

While raising awareness of the problems in Uganda and it's neighbouring countries is great, and the video is unbelievably slick (as someone said earlier 'emotional porn'), possibly the worst thing that could come out of this is it actually succeeding.

If it does, the millions of people who donate get to feel like they've helped save the day, when in reality, little will have changed on the ground. The makers of the video and heads of Invisible Children will become extremely rich if their past track record of actually contributing the money they raise is anything to go by, and of course they'll be lauded as heroes Geldof-esque as the ones who 'stopped Kony'.

Hopefully it drags on into 2013 and the focus remains long enough for people to see that the ones they're supporting against Kony are just as prone to horrific war crimes and the problems in Uganda, C.A.R and D.R.C. run a lot deeper and are far more complex than just stop the bad guy.

I can't see America ploughing any sort of serious intervention into any of these countries anytime soon either, regardless of whatever oil might be gleaned from it, for two reasons:

a: They are not prone to Jungle conflict or African conflict in general, see Vietnam, Mogadishu. Carpet-bombing A-Rabs like ducks in a barrel is a lot safer, and the rewards more forthcoming.

b: It's gonna be nigh on impossible for any American president to convince the bible-thumping south that a Christian warlord is worth their concerns over 'war-mad muslims intent on taking over the world and making us all bow to Mecca and wrap our women up head to toe in burkas'. (I'm thinking of you Freddie59) They consider themselves a Lord's Resistance Army of sorts!

Irishchick

The sooner we run out of oil and start exploring renewable energy the better.

CiaranMT

RichieC wrote: »

Wellity wellity wellity....

Oil find sparks new hope for Uganda's people
Vast discovery could transform the economy – but only if managed well



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/25/uganda-oil-find-energy-companies

That article's three years old.

nacho libre

i'm still not convinced by the narrative these guys are a part of a CIA propaganda campaign to further US interests in the area. Afterall most of the current oil contracts are with non US companies. There is no word of Uganda seeking to trade oil in another denomination either.

So giving the makers of the video the benefit of the doubt, they should ask themselves what will bring about the greatest amount of good in the long run?
the unintended consequence of this maybe restarting a bloody conflict, that ceased six years ago, with the possibility of hundreds or thousands of deaths - which would no doubt include many of his child soldiers.

ko_awsome

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This guy is nothing short of awesome , if it wasn't for him we'd be absolutely over-run with them

Nevermind_

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/91046914.jpg/

RichieC

CiaranMT wrote: »

That article's three years old.

And?

there were troops sent in shortly after this find, the kony2012 video is meant to stop obama pulling them out.

RichieC

First of all, it is important to establish that “Kony 2012” is worth lambasting, for we often fall prey to an extraordinary naïveté when expressing our moral outrage. When some brain-addled right-wing reprobate spouts some tired variation on “Britain for the British”, writing a detailed article labelling them malicious, vile and repulsive – and thus spreading their message for free – is playing straight into their hands. However, the idea that central African warlord Joseph Kony is a brutal monster is sufficiently obvious that I have no qualms in just letting you know about Kony 2012, in the unlikely event that you have somehow managed to avoid it so far.

That being said, the “Kony 2012” awareness campaign and viral video released by advocacy group “Invisible Children Inc.” is malicious, vile and repulsive.

The purpose behind the video and campaign is to raise public awareness and lobby for the United States government not to withdraw the 100 military advisors it assigned to the Ugandan military in October, in order to eliminate Joseph Kony, the leader of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA).

On the one hand, the effectiveness of the approach taken by the campaign and its parent organization has been criticised in technocratic elite publications Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy. They argue, amongst other things, that the scale of the problem posed by the LRA has been exaggerated: it is not, as the video implies, an 30,000-strong army of Ugandan child-soldiers, but a group of only a couple hundred at most (the 30,000 figure referring to all the children abducted over the past quarter of a century) which has been in decline for years. It has not even operated in Uganda since 2006 – Kony is currently believed to be in the Central African Republic. Furthermore, there has been no sign whatsoever of the US government planning to withdraw these military advisors, rendering the stated purpose of the campaign rather dubious. Indeed, U.S. Africa Command has been providing the Ugandan army with assistance for years before Obama’s deployment of October. Furthermore, in their struggle with the LRA, the Ugandan military, and the paramilitary organization the Sudan People’s Liberation Army, have perpetrated numerous and severe atrocities – yet Kony 2012 and “Invisible Children Inc.” unreservedly support both.

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mikeym

Got an email today off some Prince Kony in Nigeria, He said he was raising money
for the Kony Foundation and he needs generous donations of American dollars

RichieC

So, as I continue to dig on Invisible Children, I find out more about what a bunch of disingenuous ***** they are.

http://www.scarlettlion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GlennaGordon_InvisibleChildrenA.jpg

This now famous picture, taken in 2008 is of invisible children's 3 founding directors posing with weapons and members of the Sudan Peoples Liberation Army.

Like the Ugandan government, the SPLA are supported by IC because they are at war with Kony.

However the SPLA, like Kony, used child soldiers till 2010.

SPLA to demobilize all child soldiers by end of the year - Sudan Tribune: Plural news and views on Sudan

So here we have, in 2008 the anti child soldier activists posing with their buddies who at the time had THOUSANDS OF CHILD SOLDIERS.

This **** stinks to high heaven.

benway

RichieC wrote: »

This now famous picture, taken in 2008 is of invisible children's 3 founding directors posing with weapons and members of the Sudan Peoples Liberation Army.

Like the Ugandan government, the SPLA are supported by IC because they are at war with Kony.

However the SPLA, like Kony, used child soldiers till 2010.

SPLA to demobilize all child soldiers by end of the year - Sudan Tribune: Plural news and views on Sudan

So here we have, in 2008 the anti child soldier activists posing with their buddies who at the time had THOUSANDS OF CHILD SOLDIERS.

This **** stinks to high heaven.

I am a shallow man ... but ... just look at these cnuts. They look like they'd be more at home swapping business cards with Patrick Bateman than trying to make the world a better place.

RichieC

benway wrote: »

I am a shallow man ... but ... just look at these cnuts. They look like they'd be more at home swapping business cards with Patrick Bateman than trying to make the world a better place.

The wages they're pulling from IC you can bet your arse they do.

klose

ko_awsome wrote: »

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9559/94050546.jpg


This guy is nothing short of awesome , if it wasn't for him we'd be absolutely over-run with them

Yeah predator is a pretty kick ass film, in my top 10 films!

Everyones a keyboard warrior ever since this came about, I must read into it deeper but at the end of the day the awareness to this is now huge, i, like many im sure never heard of him before this whole fiasco. The video is pretty well made and was upsetting as there's nothing more precious then a childs life and freedom..

Buuuut the whole other side of the coin which I havent read into much is rearing its ugly head now. itll be interesting to see how this pans out, i mean the whole april 20th thing is a bit hollywood and can see it going badly.

RichieC

moar from my uber secrit source!

In fact, lets compare the figures as we know them...

Kony has been in operation since 1987, and is estimated to have used some 30000 child soldiers.

This is a lot over time..

Now the SPLA has been in existence for a similar length of time..

I cant find a figure tor the numbers they used over their full lifetime, BUT according to the 2004 report by the The Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers, they had between 2500 and 5000 in 2004, and the SPLA said themselves they has decommissioned 16000 child soldiers between 2001 and 2004.

Thats what 18500 to 21000 over THREE YEARS compared to 30000 over 25 years

This seems to indicate the SPLA were far more reliant on child soldiers than the LRA, and yet IC got into bed with them.

****ing hell.

These guys are up to something, and it ain't helping child soldiers.

irishmover

Ah great,

Well atleast some people on Boards have a bit of common sense. Can't understand why this has gotten such a positive reaction. Although, people are quite gullible.

44leto

Its amazing what one man can do, I am not talking about the campaign founder and organizer, But Joesph Kony. The lion share of death and destruction of the last century was really down to 3 individuals, Hitler, Mao and Stalin.

Joesph Kony is just 1 individual psychopath who according to that piece of film, directly effected the lives of 30,000 children negatively and if you went out wider you would have to conject he has impacted on the lives of at least 100,000. So remove that one individual and a lot of problems go away.

I like the idea of this campaign, it widens our empathy, by directly bringing the victims into our lives, the internet is really changing the world.

im invisible

Still meh...

(am i the only one that hasnt watched the video or clicked any of the other links, apart from the memes, that sh'ts funny...)

V_Moth

irishmover wrote: »

Ah great,

Well atleast some people on Boards have a bit of common sense. Can't understand why this has gotten such a positive reaction. Although, people are quite gullible.

No. They are being emotionally manipulated. From my good friend Anonymous:

it uses suggestion techniques... a LOT.
what they want is for the usa to go to war in uganda.

it uses a ALOT of suggestion techniques. what they want is for the usa to go to war in uganda and it works perfectly. the first minutes tells us indirectly to share the video on facebook to all those people. it tells us they are better dead than in their present condition, "we are going to stop them", it uses a lot of words like 'fight' and 'attack'. it makes us feel sad and helpless, opening us to suggestion. using emotions is the first step of hypnosis, and this video is too loaded to trust.
after this it's a simple task to tie it together by openly telling us to call for war on kony(uganda). they're using jacob and kony to make people "demand justice", "to fight", "war", then tell us to create facebook communities to spread the idea. showing picture of victory after pushing us down-giving the energy to 'fight'and the urgent action. it even tells us to 'hope' and 'obey', 'to go to africa'. i feel for this cause too, but i know a hypnotic induction when i see it.

i PROMISE if you read up on and take a look into hypnosis and watch the video again, you will see the same techniques. it's very deliberately using suggestion techniques. continuously hammering the idea and feelings into the watcher's head.

Forgot this bit:

it was posted 5 days ago and got 57 million views, this is not normal for an unknown channel about an unknown subject.

They let China get too much of a grip in Africa over the last decade.. Now it's time to get the bleeding hearts begging America to go to Africa to save the children.

geeman

According to the following article, billionaire investor George Soros funded the video...

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/

Apparently because Uganda, South Sudan, DRC is an area rich in natural resources, Soros wants the US to deploy military there to help with security.

Why doesn't he just hire private security firms instead of dragging the US army over there?? but of course, the tax payer can just pick up the bill, naturally!!

lcrcboy

Kony has not been seen officially since 2006 for all we know he could be dead and he is not in Uganda and probably if alive hiding somewhere deep in the jungles of the Congo with a small band of men.
The LRA was formed out of atrocities committed by the Ugandan army (Im not trying to excuse them) but there is a reason for their existence which it seems pro Kony 2012 supporters are ignoring.
At the end of the day I cant say whether its right or wrong for America and its allies to come along and play world police in Uganda but lets not forget when the USA went against UN protocols in Somalia in 1993 (because they felt they were doing something right) and ended up doing more harm then good

geeman

geeman wrote: »

According to the following article, billionaire investor George Soros funded the video...

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/

Apparently because Uganda, South Sudan, DRC is an area rich in natural resources, Soros wants the US to deploy military there to help with security.

Why doesn't he just hire private security firms instead of dragging the US army over there?? but of course, the tax payer can just pick up the bill, naturally!!

That article doesn't say that at all.. It's pure shlte and your evaluation of it on here is even worse.

RichieC

Ha, George Soros is the conservative bogey man in America, The Christian right tell their kids horror stories about him at bed time. I generally assume bull**** when I hear his name.

geeman

Ads By Google wrote:

That article doesn't say that at all.. It's pure shlte and your evaluation of it on here is even worse.

How about you read the article first? Good lad.

geeman

RichieC wrote:

Ha, George Soros is the conservative bogey man in America, The Christian right tell their kids horror stories about him at bed time. I generally assume bull**** when I hear his name.

Well, that only illustrates how little you know about him.

He funds an organization which clearly requests military intervention in Uganda.

geeman

geeman wrote: »

How about you read the article first? Good lad.

I did.. Can you explain to me what is "telling" about Mary Robinson being involved with him?

Gyalist

With bin Laden dead the West urgently need a new bogeyman to justify their "humanitarian" interventions.
The West was asleep when they allowed the Chinese to gain a foothold in China and pay a fair price or their resources without meddling in their domestic affairs. Now the West is playing catch-up before all the oil and cobalt and other resources are bought up by the Chinese.

The Kony 2012 video is all about "manufacturing consent"; to provide a plausible justification for AFRICOM to intervene on humanitarian grounds while securing the natural resources for themselves.

Here is the current "good" guy, President Museveni, talking about his child soldiers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0A8T6iOBhM

Flancrest

Joseph Kony putting the infant back in infantry since 1988

cbyrne11

geeman wrote: »

How about you read the article first? Good lad.

That website is pure horse****e, if your going to make that many claims in an article you can show us some form of intelligence and refernce a few of them. Instead he repeatedly makes unsubstantiated claims which we're suppose to listen do cause some dickhead put them on the internet!

Maybe read some real articles where the English is better than a junior cert essay, wrriten by people who have actually travelled to the region, as opposed to sitting on the internet fashioning tin foil hats and making up lies about people!

benway

From 2.00 especially.

Drumpot

benway wrote: »

From 2.00 especially.

Methinks the locals missed the point . .

Unfortunatley, showing pictures of people dieing, starving and being raped doesnt work in western civilastion as we have seen it all before and are conformed to the harshness of these kind of images . . Coupled with that, I dont believe the video was used to make the Ugandans feel better, it was being used to educate and market the criminal to the western world.

If all else fails, it makes complete sense to try using the only techniques that we relate to . . Which is ourselves and our own lives . . was band aid lambasted because it was a bunch of artists playing music and comedians going to poor countries in clothes and having a laugh with starving children?

There will always be cynics and people looking to put a negative slant on a positive thing . . Its one of the many tragedies of a world thats filled with vested interest groups that usually get what they want at the expense of others. . I dont know if this video is completely legit, but what it shows is that if you can organise yourself the right way and create enough interest in a good cause, in the right way, you can change the world. Maybe Kony will never be caught, but millions of people now who he is and what he has done, his life is certainly more uncomfortable then it would of been had this video not been made . .

Loomis

Charlie Brooker kinda tears IC a new one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpuB11d0Gog

jaja321

Drumpot wrote: »

Methinks the locals missed the point . .

Unfortunatley, showing pictures of people dieing, starving and being raped doesnt work in western civilastion as we have seen it all before and are conformed to the harshness of these kind of images . . Coupled with that, I dont believe the video was used to make the Ugandans feel better, it was being used to educate and market the criminal to the western world.

If all else fails, it makes complete sense to try using the only techniques that we relate to . . Which is ourselves and our own lives . . was band aid lambasted because it was a bunch of artists playing music and comedians going to poor countries in clothes and having a laugh with starving children?

There will always be cynics and people looking to put a negative slant on a positive thing . . Its one of the many tragedies of a world thats filled with vested interest groups that usually get what they want at the expense of others. . I dont know if this video is completely legit, but what it shows is that if you can organise yourself the right way and create enough interest in a good cause, in the right way, you can change the world. Maybe Kony will never be caught, but millions of people now who he is and what he has done, his life is certainly more uncomfortable then it would of been had this video not been made . .

The locals missed the point? Isn’t the whole idea of human rights and advocacy for human rights, that those who are most affected have a voice and are active participants? You’re probably right in saying that the video was done the way it was, so that it would resonate with us in the western world more.. however I still cannot get over the fact that he is targeting U.S. policy makers, celebrities etc and not targeting African leaders and local advocates. Those people interviewed in this news clip have it bang on.. they were stripped of their agency in all of this. I can only imagine how frustrated they feel that their story is being told for them without their input.

Logical Fallacy

jaja321 wrote: »

The locals missed the point? Isn’t the whole idea of human rights and advocacy for human rights, that those who are most affected have a voice and are active participants? You’re probably right in saying that the video was done the way it was, so that it would resonate with us in the western world more.. however I still cannot get over the fact that he is targeting U.S. policy makers, celebrities etc and not targeting African leaders and local advocates. Those people interviewed in this news clip have it bang on.. they were stripped of their agency in all of this. I can only imagine how frustrated they feel that their story is being told for them without their input.

IC has no real desire to make a change. They made 5 million in the 48 hours after the video went viral.

That's more than 50% of what they raised in the whole year previous to that.

About 30% of the money they raise goes towards projects in Uganda, the other 70% goes into their pockets and to fund their film projects, the majority of which have nothing to do with the charity or it's aims.

Finally, the guy who runs IC is an evangelical Christian who has said many times that they way to raise funds is to not let people know you are an evangelical Christian and that the truth is not always the best way to reach your goals.

Lovely chap.

jaja321

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

IC has no real desire to make a change. They made 5 million in the 48 hours after the video went viral.

That's more than 50% of what they raised in the whole year previous to that.

About 30% of the money they raise goes towards projects in Uganda, the other 70% goes into their pockets and to fund their film projects, the majority of which have nothing to do with the charity or it's aims.

Finally, the guy who runs IC is an evangelical Christian who has said many times that they way to raise funds is to not let people know you are an evangelical Christian and that the truth is not always the best way to reach your goals.

Lovely chap.

The whole campaign makes me ill tbh

Logical Fallacy

jaja321 wrote: »

The whole campaign makes me ill tbh

I imagine they will do a Bono on it and say they are not primarily concerned with improving the lives of people in Uganda, but are "raising awareness".

jaja321

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I imagine they will do a Bono on it and say they are not primarily concerned with improving the lives of people in Uganda, but are "raising awareness".

Raising awareness about the size of his ego and how cute his son is

Duggy747

IC should've done this back in 2002.

Everyone would be posting Stop Saddamn 2003! and, seemingly unaware, support the US for military intervention.

CiaranMT

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

IC has no real desire to make a change. They made 5 million in the 48 hours after the video went viral.

That's more than 50% of what they raised in the whole year previous to that.

About 30% of the money they raise goes towards projects in Uganda, the other 70% goes into their pockets and to fund their film projects, the majority of which have nothing to do with the charity or it's aims.

Finally, the guy who runs IC is an evangelical Christian who has said many times that they way to raise funds is to not let people know you are an evangelical Christian and that the truth is not always the best way to reach your goals.

Lovely chap.

Also an exhibitionist it would seem:

Jason Russell arrested for drunken public masturbation.

Logical Fallacy

CiaranMT wrote: »

Also an exhibitionist it would seem:

Jason Russell arrested for drunken public masturbation.

lol, too ****ing perfect.

William_Hicley

^^^^^^ Lol lol lol lol!!! Thats just priceless!!
"Raising" awareness.... if you know what I mean,,

(Insert Mr.Bean meme here)

William_Hicley

Oh oh oh!

Horny 2012!

Comedy gold! Ha ha ha! :pac:

4zn76tysfajdxp

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol, too ****ing perfect.

I was just about to post that. It's scarcely credible how quickly this whole thing is falling apart.

Cork24

Kony is dead this is an old campaign

Diabhal Beag

So it's now a fact that a public wanker spammed Facebook and Twitter

token101

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol, too ****ing perfect.

Outstanding!! Only in America. Or on a flight to England after some wine and nurofen!!!! He should call Neil Prendeville!! He's going to need tips on making tearful grovelling apologies!! #bony2012 :pac:

Wonder of he'll sit down with the kid and show him pictures to explain this? :pac: