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Modern Japanese games "just suck"
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richymcdermott wrote: »I find it funny cause i feel the western market is somewhat in a worse state than japan in terms on fresh new ideas and things so obscure you cant help but love.
Wow, a voice of reason? Quick, run for cover brah
Depends, If you dont know for sure your putting out an overseas version and factor that into the initial contract with the voice actors re-licencing can be very expensive. More-so than dubbing the game in english.
True, but with a little though they could either negotiate contracts for both markets at the beginning. If this fails and title gets released with voiceovers made by friends/fam/milkman (barring the latter it`s often the case) let me have the subtitles and option to turn off the voice. Few lines of code takes care of that. Or we`ll make an undub. Just release the bloody thing already.I'll have to defer to you on that one! I don't really play many JRPGs, so I'm really just repeating the general Western perception of the not-successful-outside-Japan ones.
Well, at least you have the guts to admit that
That oft-repeaten list of alleged faults never ceases to amuse me - it`s akin to complaining that there`s too much shooting in COD or too many puzzles in Layton. Ok, random encounters can be annoying, but only when in overdrive plus there`s often in-game ways of avoiding these like spells/potions or simply fleeing. The myth of grinding is already dealt with above, this is greatly exaggerated, plus: the battles are integral part of the genre since forever - there`s a variety of combat styles, from tactical ones that can drag on (ahem to super quick affairs (DQ/Etrian) where you just hold the A button.
Collecting things? As in: the thing that every - even non-rpg -western game asks you to do these days. Also, look up "hoarding in Fallout3/Skyrim"
The other thing is, not all jRpgs fit the cliche. In fact there`s gazillion of styles and they changed too - more and more avoids random battles, there`s save-anywhere/sensible checkpoints revival and so on.
As for Keiji-I I find it rather sad, as stated in my 1st post. He reminds me a bit of these confused J-teens who are literally blackening/hiphoping up in search of an identity. Nevermind that he of course contradicts himself - if the Japanese industry is dead why didn`t he stay in his beloved West? Instead opened 2 studios, makes some uber Japanese games and jumps on smartphones bandwagon. Fancy that.
(EDIT: here`s a description of his latest (social, of course) game:" Players are put in the role of mad scientist Dr. Momo who has to combine a number of cute animals to create the world's cutest creature." Gee, that`s soooo un-Japanese, groundbreaking and modern. Way to go mate.)0 -
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I see what you're saying, but what about a franchise like Monster Hunter? It can apparently make or break a system in Japan, but few in the West want to play it.
The problem with Monster Hunter is that it will never work in the West. It's all about Ad-Hoc play which doesn't make sense outside japan were people will play games with other randomers on the way into work. It's really just a simplified MMO and for westerners, there's better online MMO's. It's got nothing to do with how good or bad the game is, it's a cultural/social thing. I don't like Monster Hunter myself but people that do like it and can play Ad Hoc with lots of people will tell you it's great.
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a) I've read every post in this thread. Multiple times.lasersquad wrote: »If you really wanted answers to these questions, you`d actually read my 1st post and the one you quote. Just stick to the facts: what the man says and does.
But you don`t - throughout this thread you`re trying to paint me into a fuddy-duddy otaku stereotype with total disregard for what I actually try to say (Nevermind it has little to do with reality - I was brought up on micros/PCs, die hard wRPG gamer, only got "converted" slowly in the last decade, with help of the natives and the fact that TB RPGs died in the West).
That`s fine though - I`d rather role play your version than be a stereotypical forum warrior, who has a smarmy quote/jpg stored in a special folder and whose edgy/brave opinions are in fact the same ol` claptrap repeated ad nauseum on other edgy/brave "forums" like NeoGaf or /v/. Dark Souls leads backlash against handholding? Sure, if we ignore its Kings Fields roots - and countless other J-productions. Navi`s presence is so bad that we should concentrate only on that and ignore one of the greatest series ever? Why, but it makes a cool meme! Cherry pickin` other`s posts for a phrase out of context? Check. Stroll on, son, but this kawaii-o-furry-lover will ignore you from now on (just like you ignored my attempts at being reasonable - hence the rant)
Nothing wrong with discussing flaws in, ahem "glorious Nippon" or more like games it produces. But this thread started with some just-got-famous upstart indie dev spouting bullcrap about how West is light years ahead - and other misconceptions/old stereotypes rose their lil`heads. Can`t agree with that, I`m afraid (putting it mildly).
b) I'm talking about what the man says and does. The man has made and contributed to some of the greatest games this industry has ever known. The man does show his passion and his desire for the JP industry to improve.
c) The use of the romanji Nippon was your choice, and honestly, I felt it made your argument seem even sillier.
d) We're not ignoring DS's roots, we're focusing on its success, and its context, in an era of modern hand holding (everywhere, in West & East). Kings Field is almost 20 years old. Industry was very different then.
e) We focus on the handholdy "Navi" because it shows a case of 2 steps forward (SS's combat and controls) and 1 step back of being beholden to this archaic system, a highlight that certain things in the franchise refuse to change and grow/innovate. The series has lost a lot of the survival that Zelda 2 had.
f) Apologies if it seemed like I was cherry picking in a negative manner, that wasn't my intent.
I generally quote the specific bit of text I feel I'm responding to the most/the piece I feel is most relevant.0
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