Ireland v Scotland -Aviva Stadium - Saturday 10th March 5pm

andrewdcs

cgpg5 wrote: »

France maybe but saying we should have won against Wales is just wrong, could have won maybe, but they were better than us that day

in the same way Wales should NOt have beaten England..

Truth is the 6 nations is iextrmely competitive, thinking its a disaster if we dont' win 4 or slam it every year cos of "the players we have" is nuts.

Hope Wales can do the slam, Ireland to tell England just exactly how far they need to come as a team and Italy to finally get the win Scotland don't deserve to lose... cruel game.

phog

.ak wrote: »

It was great to see the win, and certain players get out their and prove their point. But having said that, the problems with the squad run so deep it's silly. The biggest thing I'm still confused about was the changing of the half backs to sit on the lead. We weren't in a comfortable position, and after the match DK admitted he was going to take Best off as soon as he couldn't play anymore and give ROG the captaincy. ROG as Captain is mad imo, but the point that most perplexes me is why take Reddan off?

Reddan was playing outstandingly, why sub him? The fact we couldn't put a score on them for almost 30 minutes was disgraceful considering how much we were in control of the game.

Why wasn't McCarthy brought on earlier? Again, we were in control and DOC was offering nothing except giving away penalties.

Kearney was outstanding as usual. If he could off-load I'd imagine we'd be a serious threat under the ball.

Reddan, was good but not outstanding, if Murray or TOL did some of what he did today they'd be blue murder on here. How many of his box kicks were any better than Murray's? He fed a piss poor ball into the scrum, he failed badly in defending for Scotland's only try, his taking the ball from the ruck was as slow as Murray's but Murray is still too slow?

There was a suggestion earlier in the week not sure which thread that the IRFU would veto ROG getting the captains armband, I guess that didn't happen as most posters here would have known.

I agree McCarthy should have got more gametime. How many penalties did DOC actually give away?

JRant wrote: »

Well he seen it was on and got it, i'd call that heads-up rugby. Seen more of that all round the park today then i have in a long time.
We seriously need to re-evaluate these box kicks though.

Are you confusing the first touch of McFaddens with him actually getting over the line because it was really on and TOL almost compounded it by taking it on again before McFadden eventually got over the line.

yosser hughes

yosser hughes wrote: »

I don't understand why he took Reddan off either. Certainly not at the time he took him off when the game was far from won. Don't understand why he brought on ROG when he did.

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Because Darcy was playing badly and needed a rest on the back of 3 games in as many weeks

Same reason Best was subbed on the 50

Fair enough on Best but if he wanted to replace D'Arcy then why not a straight swap with McFadden?
edit@ And why replace Reddan?

ironingbored

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Because Darcy was playing badly and needed a rest on the back of 3 games in as many weeks

Same reason Best was subbed on the 50

McFadden is a like for like 12 replacement.

If there's then an injury to one of the back three bring ROG on and Sexton to 12.

Madness at ~55mins.

Sexton has arguably been the 6nations top OH (we'll see how Farrell gets on tmrw) but somehow Fr. Deccie manages to find a position that's not his to put him in. :rolleyes:

Fishooks12

ironingbored wrote: »

McFadden is a like for like 12 replacement.

If there's then an injury to one of the back three bring ROG on and Sexton to 12.

Madness at ~55mins.

Sexton has arguably been the 6nations top OH (we'll see how Farrell gets on tmrw) but somehow Fr. Deccie manages to find a position that's not his to put him in. :rolleyes:

Sexton actually has far more experience for Ireland at 12 than McFadden so not as mad as you think

Tox56

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Sexton actually has far more experience for Ireland at 12 than McFadden so not as mad as you think

Which of McFadden and Sexton is more likely to take over at 12 Long-Term? Sexton is going to be playing 10 Long-Term, why not play him there?

yosser hughes

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Sexton actually has far more experience for Ireland at 12 than McFadden so not as mad as you think

Sorry but that's a bizarre post.:rolleyes:

Cpt_Blackbeard

Had POM remained on for the full 80, I'm 90% sure Lenihan would have given him the MOTM award. Whether he deserved it or not is debatable, but he was one of our best players for his 60mins. He had at least 2 (maybe 3) great steals and carried well. Only thing I'm surprised about was how little he was called on in the lineout.

All in all, a very accomplished starting debut for a player with very little 7 experience. It will be a pretty close call between him and SOB for the England game.

Fishooks12

yosser hughes wrote: »

Sorry but that's a bizarre post.:rolleyes:

How? It's 100 per cent factual

teednab-el

Darcy must now leave this team, another major fumble with the ball today. Not good enough at this level.

Tox56

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Had POM remained on for the full 80, I'm 90% sure Lenihan would have given him the MOTM award. Whether he deserved it or not is debatable, but he was one of our best players for his 60mins. He had at least 2 (maybe 3) great steals and carried well. Only thing I'm surprised about was how little he was called on in the lineout.

All in all, a very accomplished starting debut for a player with very little 7 experience. It will be a pretty close call between him and SOB for the England game.

That first paragraph could be used, almost to the word, to describe SOB last week.

ironingbored

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Sexton actually has far more experience for Ireland at 12 than McFadden so not as mad as you think

You know that's disingenuous.

McFadden is a 12 with second best position wing.

Sexton is a world class 10 and stand in 12 when we've got an injury.

DDC1990

phog wrote: »

How many penalties did DOC actually give away?

To answer your question... 2.

The same amount as Healy, Best, O'Mahoney and that Penalty Machine Bowe!

No matter what DOC does, he will always be known as a penalty Machine

His first penalty given against him was for lying still while the ball was on top of him, so the scottish scrum half could play the ball.
Not sure about the second, but it may have been for taking the lifter, when Heaslip did the same thing at the other side at the same time, and Ross peelead around the side of the maul to the scottish side of the maul.
Not sure who gave away the penalty in that instance.

p.s I know you are replying to someone else, but just decided to look it up for myself :P

yosser hughes

Fishooks12 wrote: »

How? It's 100 per cent factual

Would you give it a rest. You're not dealing with the main point. Why bring on O'Gara, switch Sexton to centre just to replace D'Arcy when McFadden is a ready made centre? Straight swap and minimum disruption.

phog

yosser hughes wrote: »

Fair enough on Best but if he wanted to replace D'Arcy then why not a straight swap with McFadden?
edit@ And why replace Reddan?

If Reddan get's injured he needs to have TOL up to international speed as he hasn't played much rugby recently.

Fishooks12

ironingbored wrote: »

You know that's disingenuous.

McFadden is a 12 with second best position wing.

Sexton is a world class 10 and stand in 12 when we've got an injury.

true and tbh I'd prefer to see McFadden coming on I was merely trying to explain Kidneys likely rationale

Podge_irl

Kidney obviously planned for the captaincy to go from Best to ROG which is complete madness. It meant he was forced to sub on an outhalf at the same time as subbing his hooker regardless of what was going on on the pitch.

Fishooks12

yosser hughes wrote: »

Would you give it a rest. You're not dealing with the main point. Why bring on O'Gara, switch Sexton to centre just to replace D'Arcy when McFadden is a ready made centre? Straight swap and minimum disruption.

We'll you said it was a bizaare post so why would I let you think you were right? Sextons played more at 12 than McFadden for Ireland

Not for one second saying that should be the case though

ironingbored

Fishooks12 wrote: »

true and tbh I'd prefer to see McFadden coming on I was merely trying to explain Kidneys likely ir-rationale

FYP

danthefan

phog wrote: »

If Reddan get's injured he needs to have TOL up to international speed as he hasn't played much rugby recently.

You cannot be serious. There is one game left in the 6N.

yosser hughes

Fishooks12 wrote: »

We'll you said it was a bizaare post so why would I let you think you were right? Sextons played more at 12 than McFadden for Ireland

Not for one second saying that should be the case though

It was a bizarre post because it departed from the main point. Look forget it,I'll leave you with the semantics:rolleyes:

phog

danthefan wrote: »

You cannot be serious. There is one game left in the 6N.

How many were missing today through injury, injuries they picked up last week.

Sindri

leakyboots wrote: »

Seeing those tries, Kearney literally ran away from Gray. Some poor tackles before that too... but still... Fullback Play 101 - tackle the guy with the ball running at you, doesn't matter if he has 10 men outside him.

Yes I thought Kearney was good today, other than his usual tunnel vision, which isn't always such a bad trait and his positioning and decision making for that try.

Firstly he should never have been put in that position and I don't envy him.

Secondly, he should have either tackled Gray or gave Gray the opportunity inside of him, slowing him down, closing off the outside and pushing him in field to where there are more players. If it's done well you can even have a chance to tackle the man with the ball. But that's very very difficult and risky.

Or conversely doing the same but pushing him out to the touchline and closing off the winger.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Tox56 wrote: »

That first paragraph could be used, almost to the word, to describe SOB last week.

Which is why it is a close call on who to start next week..? Its much more impressive for a player in his first international start and only ~5th game at 7 to put in such a performance, than a former European player of the year who has played ~half his professional rugby at 7.

martybike

wonton wrote: »

that run from kearney just before earls dived like a professional swimmer was incredible.

That's not the first time he's taken a dive.

Tox56

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Which is why it is a close call on who to start next week..? Its much more impressive for a player in his first international start and only ~5th game at 7 to put in such a performance, than a former European player of the year who has played ~half his professional rugby at 7.

What I meant was when both of them are playing just as well, it's a virtual no brainer as to who would be picked.

DDC1990

martybike wrote: »

That's not the first time he's taken a dive.

Christ are people seriously suggesting Earls dived?

When a guy runs across you, and clips your ankle's... you fall.

Any questions?

Cpt_Blackbeard

martybike wrote: »

That's not the first time he's taken a dive.

Like this? :D



Pic taken from here Mr. Sherlock.

uriah

danthefan wrote: »

You cannot be serious. There is one game left in the 6N.

So reddan couldn't possibly get injured or O'Leary didn't need the time, which is it?

Turtwig

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Like this? :D

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00627/Keith_Earls_627740g2.jpg

Pic taken from here Mr. Sherlock.

^^That has so got to be part of a boards.ie photoshop competition.

Flincher

Superbus wrote: »

Bit of a dive?

dougieruggie wrote: »

Just re-watched it. No clip of the heels.

To be honest I'm disgusted at Earls for diving. If a Scottish player did it we'd be livid! I hate diving.

In fairness to Earls, I think there was a bit of a dive, but I can't really blame him.

I reckon himself and the covering player (Lamont I think) were both 50-50 regarding who would get to the ball first. If you get pulled back like Earls was, and it turns into a 30-70 and reduces our chance of a try, then you're right to get your penalty. Had Earls stayed on his feet, he wouldn't have gotten the penalty and we would have lost out as a result of a tackle off the ball.

Its the same playing soccer. You might get a clip which puts you off-balance and lose possession, but they are difficult for the referee to spot. If you try and stay on your feet, you lose possession as a result of a foul on you. If you go to ground, then the chances of you being awarded your free shoot up.

Completely different to taking a dive where there is no foul in my view.

phog

DDC1990 wrote: »

Christ are people seriously suggesting Earls dived?

When a guy runs across you, and clips your ankle's... you fall.

Any questions?

I wouldn't fault him for the fall but I think he kicked too early, should have kept the ball in hand but as he was ahead Evans when fouled he was unlucky not to get the penalty try.

fisgon

.ak wrote: »

So at the end of it it's been a pretty disappointing six nations with no progress. .

What team are you watching? What exactly do you want? This Irish team has got better every week after a dodgy start to Wales that they could even have won.
I echo the sentiments earlier about negativity, the above post is nonsense, this is now a good Irish team that has made solid, definite progress. I would safely say that they are the best team in the 6 Nations at this moment, after watching Wales in the last two games.

Fishooks12

I don;t think it was a case of Scotland being much worse today than previous games, more a case of us not letting them play

Our defense was wonderful

Cpt_Blackbeard

Tox56 wrote: »

What I meant was when both of them are playing just as well, it's a virtual no brainer as to who would be picked.

The general consensus is usually the younger player ya?

Turtwig

Regarding Earl's "dive". His arm was tugged and it did look there was clipping of heels, whether intentional or not Evans running line looked suspect. Had to be at least a penalty imo.

Tox56

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

The general consensus is usually the younger player ya?

If the person he is replacing is a 25 year old European Player of the Year, we may be able to make an exception.

Anatidaephobia

Really I'm not sure on the Earls moment. I hope that it wasn't a complete dive, because that's incredibly bad form. I think that although he certainly did make the most of it, he was clipped in the back of the heels. When he kicked the ball ahead, the Scottish defender veered across in his direction, rather than directly after the ball, which certainly didn't help his case. But I'd have to see it a few more times to be sure.

Benny Cake

martybike wrote: »

That's not the first time he's taken a dive.

Care to elaborate Marty? Or did you even watch the game?

V_Moth

Was watching the match on the Holyhead- Dublin ferry with no sound. Why was Bowe's try disallowed?

Also, any word on Jones? Looked fairly serious...

phog

V_Moth wrote: »

Was watching the match on the Holyhead- Dublin ferry with no sound. Why was Bowe's try disallowed?

Also, any word on Jones? Looked fairly serious...

Double movement was indicated by the ref.

Not sure about Jones

Fireball07

V_Moth wrote: »

Was watching the match on the Holyhead- Dublin ferry with no sound. Why was Bowe's try disallowed?

Also, any word on Jones? Looked fairly serious...

Double movement. I'd almost tend to agree with that tbh... he took an awful long time in getting it down.


Jones has concussion, but he'll be okay.

totallegend

V_Moth wrote: »

Was watching the match on the Holyhead- Dublin ferry with no sound. Why was Bowe's try disallowed?

Also, any word on Jones? Looked fairly serious...

Double movement, penalty to the Scots

Flincher

Fishooks12 wrote: »

I don;t think it was a case of Scotland being much worse today than previous games, more a case of us not letting them play

Our defense was wonderful

Last 6 days showed how versatile our defence is. Aggressive blitz against strong ball carriers like Fofana, Rougerie and Malzieu worked brilliantly last week. We didn't allow their big carriers get up to speed, and we hit man and ball.

We drifted a lot more today, went from side to side, and didn't allow the Scots outflank us. Had we blitzed, I think their offloading would have opened us up a bit more like they did to the French, who are fairly aggressive off the line.

2 completely different types of defence working excellently, 6 days apart.

Its just a pity we picked the wrong one of those defences to employ against Wales.

I almost think England will be more of a challenge. If we blitz to counter Tuilagi, then Farrell could easily chip in behind, while Foden and Sharples are more than capable of picking a good angle to counter the blitz If we stand off, then we're inviting Tuilagi and Morgan to run at our smaller centres.

Fishooks12

Did RTE cop that it wasn't going to be awarded by the TMO

Don't think the BBC commentators even knew there was a double movement rule

V_Moth

Thanks all. Good to hear re Jones.

durkadurka

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Did RTE cop that it wasn't going to be awarded by the TMO

Don't think the BBC commentators even knew there was a double movement rule

Yeah they did eventually.

.ak

phog wrote: »

Reddan, was good but not outstanding, if Murray or TOL did some of what he did today they'd be blue murder on here. How many of his box kicks were any better than Murray's? He fed a piss poor ball into the scrum, he failed badly in defending for Scotland's only try, his taking the ball from the ruck was as slow as Murray's but Murray is still too slow?

Everyone knows the box kicking is a bi-product of DK's territorial obsession. No one is saying the box kicking for either was good. They were both plain bad at box kicking. Why? Because they don't even do it at club level. Why? Because good clubs don't kick away easy possession. Ireland does though - god forbid we play the ball.

Ball into the scrum? Piss poor? C'mon off it. Just because he didn't throw it into the second row?

He's a small SH, Gray is a huge 'foot-in for the Lions' second row, he was always going to come off second best, but in truth it shouldn't have been his place to make that tackle. He should be sweeping behind the gain line, not making head on tackles. Ofcourse this is where Murray shines, but this isn't a Murray-Reddan pissing contest.

And if you think Reddan was as slow as Murray was during the Italy game you obviously don't believe in the theory of time or relativity.

The point of my post is there was absolute no reason to bring Reddan off at the 50 min mark. Kidders has it in for him, full stop.

duckysauce

thomond2006 wrote: »

Keith, thank you for proving a retarded fan like me wrong.

Madworld

http://www.scumv.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=49395&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Sweet Jesus the Welsh are a bitter lot!