National Children's Hospital

rubadubduba

I think Connolly Hospital Blanchardstown wood be a disater, look at all the sliproads leading to the entrance on the n3 and m50, comming from the snugbourgh road on to the n3 heading east the sliproad runs into the sliproad for the hospital, its going to be busy there and probably tails back coming from m50 south sliproad heading into the hospital.
If they run a luas line into ringsend where the old bottle factory is it would be ideal, close to port tunnell and link to m50 also near to train.

BostonB

Drag everyone through the traffic to avoid the traffic. Or get a train that doesn't exist.

RobFowl

BostonB wrote: »

Drag everyone through the traffic to avoid the traffic. Or get a train that doesn't exist.

There's no ideal location it's the least worst option really thats going to be picked. The Belcamp site with room for a new maternity hosp and adult hosp would be ideal in terms of location. The Connolly site already has an adult hospital although with very few specialities. Developing that and transferring some of the specialites form Beaumont seems to me the way forward (with one of the maternity hospitals moving there over the next few years as well).
Every one will have a strong opinion on this though and ultimately a decision will have to be made......

BostonB

I don't think it should be subjective.

I assume they can do a measurement of traffic flow and capacity at peak and off peak and also journey times across the city (or country) from say 8 points of the compass to the location, off peak and on peak, do the same with bus lanes, and train access. Give everything weightings and score accordingly.

But to say location X is poor, because of traffic, then suggest location Y which causes you to travel through location X to get to it, can't make common sense, especially if it doesn't have a train line near it, and other locations do. If something doesn't have a train line, or a luas line it should also be weighted accordingly. That said the vast majority of journeys to the current hospital are NOT by public transport, so it should be weighted less as a result.

Co location is another thing that shouldn't be subjective. If there are advantages to co location, they should be identified and weighted. But some of have suggested there aren't that many specialities that are that common to some of these co located sites. Why there isn't a black and white list of these and some idea of volume traffic received from the current hospital to these other locations, seems odd to me. I can only assume it wasn't done so clearly as it may painted co-location with the mater much less favourably than a sweeping generalisation about co-location might other wise suggest.

Basically there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and very little hard facts and stats about these locations. Which is pretty eye raising for the money involved and importance of the project.

LeoB

Connolly has rail near by which would be a help. Yes there is a major junction outside the door but they could easily divert traffic over the road towards NAC and back down its own lane into the grounds. While most trips to hospitals are not by public transport where will the people park in the city? Its a mess trying to get on street parking and the car parks are to expensive. Connolly has the space for car parking and a nominal rate for people attending for a medical appointment. Visitors could use a seperate car park and not ran by a company who go around clamping>

I think it more easily accessable for more of the people with room for expansion.

martinn123

If reports are accurate, may be between Belcamp, and Connolly in Blanchardstown

Given recent controversary, over the Primary care sites, will Dr James award this to Dublin North, will the Labour Party be happy with the biggest Srtuctural Investment, in the State going to his own constituency.

Owned by NAMA, the purchase can be shown to be cost neutral, to the State, at Belcamp, and the building costs coming from the sale of Lottery.

Be prepared for a huge contraversy, if he gives it to DCN, and remember

'' All Politics are Local''

http://www.cisireland.com/NewsItem.aspx?NewsId=2997

BostonB

Theres also this...

Eamon Gilmore bypasses James Reilly on children's hospital decision

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/eamon-gilmore-bypasses-james-reilly-on-childrens-hospital-decision-3270040.html

It is the indo though...

Mr Simpson

Is Belcamp in his constituency now? It wasn't in Dublin North before, with new changes is it Dublin Fingal (his constituency) or Dublin Bay North?

martinn123

BostonB wrote: »

Theres also this...



http://www.independent.ie/national-news/eamon-gilmore-bypasses-james-reilly-on-childrens-hospital-decision-3270040.html

It is the indo though...

Kenny puts Gilmore down,
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-will-use-dolphin-report-only-to-decide-on-hospital-site-571548.html

Say's Dolphin Report will be the decider.........(and Dr james's political requirements of course)

T-Maxx

Connolly is the ideal site.

There really are no other objective alternatives.