Saudi Arabia not to send female atheles to Olympics

snubbleste

Saudi Arabia has stated it will not send female athletes to the Olympic Games as per usual. That is approximately 50% of the population discriminated against.
The Olympic charter refers to a number of principles:
- Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.
- Any form of discrimination with regard to a country or a person on grounds of race, religion, politics, gender or otherwise is incompatible with belonging to the Olympic Movement.
- Belonging to the Olympic Movement requires compliance with the Olympic Charter and recognition by the IOC.

In 2000 Afghanistan, then ruled by the Taliban, was banned from Sydney Olympics due to their oppression of women. South Africa was banned from taking part in the Olympics from 1964-1992 due to its apartheid policies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/sports/olympics/olympic-ban-on-saudi-arabia-is-urged-over-lack-of-female-athletes.html?_r=1

Why do we allow Saudi Arabia to participate in the Olympics if they refuse to comply with the rules of the Olympics? Is it because they possess wealth and are not Iran?

Dudess

Who do you mean by "we"?

Immaculate Pasta

snubbleste wrote: »

Saudi Arabia has stated it will not send female athletes to the Olympic Games as per usual. That is approximately 50% of the population discriminated against.

How did you get to that statistic mate? :cool:

Hande hoche!

Sports are considerably more difficult in a burka.

snubbleste

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

How did you get to that statistic mate? :cool:

I counted all of them Arab looking people, assigned a gender and divided by the roman numeral two

snubbleste

Dudess wrote: »

Who do you mean by "we"?

We means the rest of the world as represented by each country's Olympic delegate.

charlemont

If you're friends with the biggest bully in the playground then you can treat women as you want.

44leto

If they are not banned it will be a disgrace.

AngryBollix

They might start letting them go to school and voting and stuff

OMARS_COMING_

Saudi is a backwards,terrible country.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Got a point. South Africa were banned for many years for similar reasons.

That said, my problem with this reaction is that's a load of symbollics. The saudis woun;t give a **** and the only people hurt will be male Saudi athletes, who may well be all for the participation of women.

Sindri

Female athletes.

:rolleyes:

Mod note: User banned

DB21

charlemont wrote: »

If you're friends with the biggest bully in the playground then you can treat women as you want.

7 posts before the US/Israel was brought up in a vaguely political Arabic thread. Well done AH, well done.

Sunnyisland

DB21 wrote: »

7 posts before the US/Israel was brought up in a vaguely political Arabic thread. Well done AH, well done.

Was waiting for it myself

Nodin

snubbleste wrote: »

Why do we allow Saudi Arabia to participate in the Olympics if they refuse to comply with the rules of the Olympics? Is it because they possess wealth and are not Iran?

Yes, essentially.

Sunnyisland

charlemont wrote: »

If you're friends with the biggest bully in the playground then you can treat women as you want.

Dont think there that friendly with Iran

charlemont

DB21 wrote: »

7 posts before the US/Israel was brought up in a vaguely political Arabic thread. Well done AH, well done.

Nice one, Thanks.:D

Well if women being treated like shít isn't politics, what is ?

If Saudi Arabia wasn't Uncle Sam's supplier then they wouldn't get away with their carry on, Saddam or Iran would have whooped that regime decades ago.



For the benefit of the doubt I'm not saying I support Saddam and/or Iran.

Dudess

DB21 wrote: »

7 posts before the US/Israel was brought up in a vaguely political Arabic thread. Well done AH, well done.

I'm not an America basher or a conspiracy theorist but I think it's pretty relevant here.

Ellis Dee

When the Saudis offer you the hand of friendship, be polite and don't ask who they cut it off.:rolleyes:

Saudi Arabia is a savage backward place ruled by some 4,000 decadent and often debauched male members of one family. They don't even pretend to have a parliament - something that even North Korea claims to have - but they have a lot of oil and buy gazillions worth of weapons from the USA.:eek:

I really hope the Arab spring reaches there one day, because the sky will be black with cnuts hanging by their balls.;);)

Given that they don't even allow women to drive cars or leave the home without a male relative, is anyone surprised that they won't let their women athletes compete in the Olympics, where they will inevitably have to show a bit of skin?:D:D

forfuxsake

I really think Ireland should withdraw its team in protest. My hope would be that this would be sufficient to bring more attention to the ban and lead to a Saudi expulsion. There is good reason precedent and it is an absolute disgrace if this country is allowed to compete despite this blatant and overt breach of the Olympic Charter's commitment to equality.


I mean like it's not that they are going to win anyfing seeing as they are usually a bit chubby.

goose2005

They could at least put someone in for the archery/shooting, no need to show skin there. And the fencing costume is even less revealing than a burka.

southsiderosie

forfuxsake wrote: »

I really think Ireland should withdraw its team in protest. My hope would be that this would be sufficient to bring more attention to the ban and lead to a Saudi expulsion. There is good reason precedent and it is an absolute disgrace if this country is allowed to compete despite this blatant and overt breach of the Olympic Charter's commitment to equality.


I mean like it's not that they are going to win anyfing seeing as they are usually a bit chubby.

I'm not understanding the logic here. Why should Ireland punish its athletes for the sins of the Saudis?

Capt'n Midnight

Maybe the OP could list the other countries that aren't sending women ?

Maybe the OP could name any Saudi female athlete who has qualified for the Olympics ?


What % of the people we've sent in the past have been women ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

forfuxsake wrote: »

I really think Ireland should withdraw its team in protest. My hope would be that this would be sufficient to bring more attention to the ban and lead to a Saudi expulsion. There is good reason precedent and it is an absolute disgrace if this country is allowed to compete despite this blatant and overt breach of the Olympic Charter's commitment to equality.


I mean like it's not that they are going to win anyfing seeing as they are usually a bit chubby.

I'm guessing you know very little about either sport or politics and **** all respect for the former.

NJS007

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Sports are considerably more difficult in a burka.

Nodin

goose2005 wrote: »

They could at least put someone in for the archery/shooting, no need to show skin there. And the fencing costume is even less revealing than a burka.

It's not often one gets to say this, but thats the kind of logic that would work with the Iranians. Not so this shower.

Son Of A Vidic

Dudess wrote: »

Who do you mean by "we"?

Indeed, don't you just love it when the 'we' brigade starts up.

Red Hand

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Indeed, don't you just love it when the 'we' brigade starts up.

Oui

forfuxsake

southsiderosie wrote: »

I'm not understanding the logic here. Why should Ireland punish its athletes for the sins of the Saudis?

Because for evil to succeed it only takes the good to do nothing.

forfuxsake

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'm guessing you know very little about either sport or politics and **** all respect for the former.

your sentence doesn't make sense, I think you are missing a verb. try again.

Red Hand

forfuxsake wrote: »

Because for evil to succeed it only takes the good to do nothing.

"If you pick at it, it'll only make it worse".

"T'is a long road without a bend".

"There's a stretch in the evenings now".

southsiderosie

forfuxsake wrote: »

Because for evil to succeed it only takes the good to do nothing.

The IOC rules are clear. If the Saudis are not willing to abide by them, they should not be allowed to participate. I fail to see how Ireland's withdrawal from the Olympics would have any impact whatsoever, except for on their own athletes - I doubt the Saudis would see the error of their ways here.

Nodin

southsiderosie wrote: »

The IOC rules are clear. If the Saudis are not willing to abide by them, they should not be allowed to participate. I fail to see how Ireland's withdrawal from the Olympics would have any impact whatsoever, except for on their own athletes - I doubt the Saudis would see the error of their ways here.

...if anything, the absence of notorious bacon eating alcohol consumers might well encourage them further.

forfuxsake

southsiderosie wrote: »

The IOC rules are clear. If the Saudis are not willing to abide by them, they should not be allowed to participate. I fail to see how Ireland's withdrawal from the Olympics would have any impact whatsoever, except for on their own athletes - I doubt the Saudis would see the error of their ways here.

I agree and would expect that other nations would join us and that public reaction would force the Saudi's expulsion. It's just what I think they should do, I fully understand that they may not want to and consider that the risk of losing their chance of Olympic success and the pride that come sin participation isn't worth risking over taking a stand for the rights of Saudi women.

I don't always do what I think(know) I should.

southsiderosie

Nodin wrote: »

...if anything, the absence of notorious bacon eating alcohol consumers might well encourage them further.

You obviously haven't seen wealthy Saudis in action outside of their national borders.

Nodin

southsiderosie wrote: »

You obviously haven't seen wealthy Saudis in action outside of their national borders.

...O I've heard more than me fair share. And I might add that the odds of the police or Religous police raiding royal family members houses and estates within Saudi are nil. They are possibly the greatest shower of hypocrites on the planet.

whatdoicare

Surely there's some sort of Facebook online petition that will sort this out?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

forfuxsake wrote: »

your sentence doesn't make sense, I think you are missing a verb. try again.

Reads perfectly okay. "I'm guessing you know nothing about either sport or politics" and "I guess you have no respect for the former."

Dudess

forfuxsake wrote: »

southsiderosie wrote: »

I'm not understanding the logic here. Why should Ireland punish its athletes for the sins of the Saudis?

Because for evil to succeed it only takes the good to do nothing.

I really dislike that saying - it just blames people who aren't directly responsible. For evil to succeed, it takes an evil-doer or group of evil-doers to carry out their evil, and subjugate people sufficiently that they are too afraid to speak out. Sure, there's an element of truth to the statement but it refers to those who have the means to do something, not just good people. It isn't the only factor. Powerless people are hardly in a position to do something. Tyranny can be insidious - it isn't always apparent at the beginning.

Pwpane

forfuxsake wrote: »

I really think Ireland should withdraw its team in protest. My hope would be that this would be sufficient to bring more attention to the ban and lead to a Saudi expulsion. There is good reason precedent and it is an absolute disgrace if this country is allowed to compete despite this blatant and overt breach of the Olympic Charter's commitment to equality.

From less than 60 years ago in Ireland, John Charles McQuaid's Lenten Regulations (from Bock the Robber http://bocktherobber.com/2012/02/lenten-regulations-john-charles-mcquaid/)

We take occasion to express our grave disapproval of the practice which has begun to show itself of permitting young women to compete in cycling and athletics in mixed public sports.

Pope Pius XI, emphasising the rules for separation of the sexes which the law of nature and Christian prudence demand, has declared: ‘These rules must be observed also in athletics and gymnastic exercises, where special precaution must be taken in regard to Christian modesty in the case of girls, inasmuch as it is extremely unbecoming for them to display themselves before the public gaze’. (Encyclical Letter, “Divini Illius Magisti”.)

People in glasshouses etc...

paddyandy

They want to keep their women feminine and not produce flat chested track wonders or Gorilla shouldered tennis players .

Nodin

paddyandy wrote: »

They want to keep their women feminine and not produce flat chested track wonders or Gorilla shouldered tennis players .

Jaysus John Charles, we thought we'd lost ye.

woodoo

They could still send them over anyway for the cooking and cleaning

mcmoustache

Pwpane wrote: »

From less than 60 years ago in Ireland, John Charles McQuaid's Lenten Regulations (from Bock the Robber http://bocktherobber.com/2012/02/lenten-regulations-john-charles-mcquaid/)

We take occasion to express our grave disapproval of the practice which has begun to show itself of permitting young women to compete in cycling and athletics in mixed public sports.

Pope Pius XI, emphasising the rules for separation of the sexes which the law of nature and Christian prudence demand, has declared: ‘These rules must be observed also in athletics and gymnastic exercises, where special precaution must be taken in regard to Christian modesty in the case of girls, inasmuch as it is extremely unbecoming for them to display themselves before the public gaze’. (Encyclical Letter, “Divini Illius Magisti”.)

People in glasshouses etc...

Bullshít.

That was wrong back then and it's wrong now.

Also, just because we had stupid laws in the past does not mean that we can't criticise other countries for their backward practices. In fact, it may mean that we are in a better position to criticise because we, as a nation, learned that these laws were stupid.

The point that you're trying to make is dumb.

paddyandy

The Sports Industry not being contented with the vast fortunes from men has called out the women too in order that more billions can be made .It's really the coquettish behaviour of big business that's behind this .People today are very docile when prodded by slick advertising .
Why a woman needs to be athletic serves no practical purpose whatsoever and there is the idea that fitness and health are the same thing ; which it is'nt .TV and Journalism are accomplices in all this and who can keep the politicians away from any photo call. If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

dermo88

Must resist making racist comment towards Saudi Government and Royal Family.

Must resist....

Oh God.....I am so so tempted.

PERSONALLY I EFFING HATE THE SAUDI's. With a burning incandescent passion. As tourists....VILE. As customers....VILE. I feel sorry for the good ones though,

Hande hoche!

paddyandy wrote: »

The Sports Industry not being contented with the vast fortunes from men has called out the women too in order that more billions can be made .It's really the coquettish behaviour of big business that's behind this .People today are very docile when prodded by slick advertising .
Why a woman needs to be athletic serves no practical purpose whatsoever and there is the idea that fitness and health are the same thing ; which it is'nt .TV and Journalism are accomplices in all this and who can keep the politicians away from any photo call. If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

That's an interesting viewpoint.

paddyandy

mcmoustache wrote: »

Bullshít.

That was wrong back then and it's wrong now.

Also, just because we had stupid laws in the past does not mean that we can't criticise other countries for their backward practices. In fact, it may mean that we are in a better position to criticise because we, as a nation, learned that these laws were stupid.

The point that you're trying to make is dumb.

You should look at what Tennis has done to the once beautiful gabriel Sabbatini .She has shoulders like Mike TYSON ON HER and there are many examples of mannish women .
Why were the Laws Stupid ?Those Laws Protected women from wild and reckless demands from industry .

ejmaztec

paddyandy wrote: »

The Sports Industry not being contented with the vast fortunes from men has called out the women too in order that more billions can be made .It's really the coquettish behaviour of big business that's behind this .People today are very docile when prodded by slick advertising .
Why a woman needs to be athletic serves no practical purpose whatsoever and there is the idea that fitness and health are the same thing ; which it is'nt .TV and Journalism are accomplices in all this and who can keep the politicians away from any photo call. If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

I'd like to see your goldfish doing the back-stroke, crawl etc and then stand on the podium to collect a feckin medal.:P

paddyandy

dermo88 wrote: »

Must resist making racist comment towards Saudi Government and Royal Family.

Must resist....

Oh God.....I am so so tempted.

PERSONALLY I EFFING HATE THE SAUDI's. With a burning incandescent passion. As tourists....VILE. As customers....VILE. I feel sorry for the good ones though,

Different thread or the mods attention needed here .

paddyandy

ejmaztec wrote: »

I'd like to see your goldfish doing the back-stroke, crawl etc and then stand on the podium to collect a feckin medal.:P

Does'nt need too and neither do people need that stupid show- off display .