Saudi Arabia not to send female atheles to Olympics

Cookie_Monster

dermo88 wrote: »

. With a burning incandescent passion.

interesting, you should try and sell that, maybe we won't need their oil anymore...

Cookie_Monster

paddyandy wrote: »

Does'nt need too and neither do people need that stupid show- off display .

we should just sit around all day and make no effort at any kind of exercise or sport then?

ejmaztec

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

we should just sit around all day and make no effort at any kind of exercise or sport then?

We'll just emulate slugs.

Canis Lupus

paddyandy wrote: »

You should look at what Tennis has done to the once beautiful gabriel Sabbatini .She has shoulders like Mike TYSON ON HER and there are many examples of mannish women .
Why were the Laws Stupid ?Those Laws Protected women from wild and reckless demands from industry .

I think fit/well defined women are sexy... much prefer it over pudgy/skinnyfat any day.

paddyandy

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

we should just sit around all day and make no effort at any kind of exercise or sport then?

They did'nt need it over the centuries because they struggled to live but people do need exercise
and one possibly good argument for the big events is Social .They bring people from across the globe together and that's good .It's the pressures on young women that i'm against when they have so many other things to cope with that previous generations had'nt .Life is very complex when it should be simpler .

southsiderosie

paddyandy wrote: »

They did'nt need it over the centuries because they struggled to live but people do need exercise
and one possibly good argument for the big events is Social .They bring people from across the globe together and that's good .It's the pressures on young women that i'm against when they have so many other things to cope with that previous generations had'nt .Life is very complex when it should be simpler .

LOLOLOLOLOL.

So modern women should be spared the rigors of athletic competition because it is too much pressure on them? How do you think training for a swim meet compares with to having to haul water, chop wood, scrub floors, forage for food, and the other myriad physical tasks that our female ancestors had to deal with on a daily basis? Because most of them didn't spend the previous centuries fanning themselves on chaise lounges whilst eating bon bons.

And what does this have to do with the Saudis anyway?

mcmoustache

paddyandy wrote: »

You should look at what Tennis has done to the once beautiful gabriel Sabbatini .She has shoulders like Mike TYSON ON HER and there are many examples of mannish women .

If she wants to be like that, that's her own choice. Her choices in life should not be dictated to her by some guys who think they know what's best for women.

paddyandy wrote: »

Why were the Laws Stupid ?Those Laws Protected women from wild and reckless demands from industry .

Those laws were stupid because they were about banning adults from taking part in sport. They were probably inspired by the need to keep women in the cooking, cleaning and babymaking industry.

rossie1977

we laugh and point fingers at the backwards saudis and then turn around and tell women in this country (and throughout the western world) what they can and can't do with their OWN bodies

mcmoustache

rossie1977 wrote: »

we laugh and point fingers at the backwards saudis and then turn around and tell women in this country (and throughout the western world) what they can and can't do with their OWN bodies

Are you saying that we shouldn't criticise the Saudis? I disagree. You're the second person i've seen in this thread with the opinion that only those with a perfect record can criticise the Saudi treatment of women. No country is perfect but that doesn't mean that a citizen from an imperfect country shouldn't point and laugh at a government whose views are pointable and laughable.

Also, I've never told a woman what she can or can't do with her body.

paddyandy

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I think fit/well defined women are sexy... much prefer it over pudgy/skinnyfat any day.

'A fit well defined woman '? I like them really feminine with everything that a man
does'nt have . Sport takes the feminine away as well as giving them
aches and pains later on that most athletes have .Medals and cups don't get rid of
those . No real man wants a woman in his bed who is built like a Gorilla though
there could be some exceptions out there or ....here .

paddyandy

Sports women can be Ogres but tv cameras don't show it because cameras are perverse
instruments .

Dudess

dermo88 wrote: »

Must resist making racist comment towards Saudi Government and Royal Family.

Must resist....

Oh God.....I am so so tempted.

PERSONALLY I EFFING HATE THE SAUDI's. With a burning incandescent passion. As tourists....VILE. As customers....VILE. I feel sorry for the good ones though,

Nothing racist about it whatsoever - your anger is in relation to their behaviour, not their race.

Dudess

rossie1977 wrote: »

we laugh and point fingers at the backwards saudis and then turn around and tell women in this country (and throughout the western world) what they can and can't do with their OWN bodies

I don't, I'm pro-choice - this "we" sh1t is like an epidemic.

df1985

if women in burkas were at the olympics I might actually watch it then!

Burka diving....be like watching a bag of spuds fall off a ledge!

Archeron

whatdoicare wrote: »

Surely there's some sort of Facebook online petition that will sort this out?

Or some personal opinion bracelets bought in a petrol station. Ideal for everybody who still has hands.

dirtyden

paddyandy wrote: »

The Sports Industry not being contented with the vast fortunes from men has called out the women too in order that more billions can be made .It's really the coquettish behaviour of big business that's behind this .People today are very docile when prodded by slick advertising .
Why a woman needs to be athletic serves no practical purpose whatsoever and there is the idea that fitness and health are the same thing ; which it is'nt .TV and Journalism are accomplices in all this and who can keep the politicians away from any photo call. If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

Are you really using the argument that fish are better at swimming than humans to bash sport?

I would like to see a goldfish outsprint Usain Bolt over 100 metres, or a kangaroo throw a javelin.

Cianos

snubbleste wrote: »

- Any form of discrimination with regard to a country or a person on grounds of race, religion, politics, gender or otherwise is incompatible with belonging to the Olympic Movement.

If this is the rule, then they should be kicked out and that's that.

paddyandy

paddyandy wrote: »

'A fit well defined woman '? I like them really feminine with everything that a man
does'nt have . Sport takes the feminine away as well as giving them
aches and pains later on that most athletes have .Medals and cups don't get rid of
those . No real man wants a woman in his bed who is built like a Gorilla though
there could be some exceptions out there or ....here .

people don't go to the fcuking olympics to get into your bed

jesus if you don't like watching them then don't fcuking watch them and get on with your life

Monty Burnz

DB21 wrote: »

7 posts before the US/Israel was brought up in a vaguely political Arabic thread. Well done AH, well done.

Elephant in the room though tbf.

Monty Burnz

paddyandy wrote: »

Sports women can be Ogres but tv cameras don't show it because cameras are perverse
instruments .

Indeed. Check out ugly heptathlete champion ogre Jessica Ennis.

http://pics.wikifeet.com/Jessica-Ennis-Feet-441817.jpg

Doc Ruby

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Indeed. Check out ugly heptathlete champion ogre Jessica Ennis.

http://pics.wikifeet.com/Jessica-Ennis-Feet-441817.jpg

Yes or this horror show, Irina Movchan

http://photography.ice-dance.com/2010-11/albums/2011Worlds/Bonus/Ladies/FS/11W-LF-0003-IM-LC.jpg

All I can do is offer her my pe pity.

Definetely should boycott them Saudis though, its sickening in this day and age.

Dudess

The Saudis now and McQuaid years ago were concerned with subjugating women, not protecting them from becoming masculine - lol tbh.

And women get involved in fitness because they enjoy it, not because of some conspiracy - hilarious that someone is offended that some women don't look hot enough for him. :rolleyes:

Btw, spot on, Mcmoustache. This thing of "We can't criticise other countries because similar happened here" - self flagellating, illogical nonsense IMO. We are not responsible just because we're Irish - imbuing responsibility purely because of nationality, well look at what that kind of thinking has led to... Most of us were not even alive during the McQuaid era. And most of us condemn it. How we're being hypocrites is beyond me.
"I won't criticise the Saudi regime because of similar-ish policy in Ireland fifty years ago" would be a joke of a thing to say. I'm sure plenty of Saudi people are critical of the regime also. Oppression is oppression.

Jimoslimos

paddyandy wrote: »

Sports women can be Ogres but tv cameras don't show it because cameras are perverse

Allison Stokke.....that is all.
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/allison-stokke-23.jpg?w=500&h=394

Monty Burnz

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Allison Stokke.....that is all.
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/allison-stokke-23.jpg?w=500&h=394

Grotesque. If only she sat around more and perhaps worked as a seamstress or a milkmaid, she might be able to attract an honest man. As it is, she will probably die barren and unfulfilled, with only a glorious career and a lifetime of amazing achievement to comfort her.

Voodu Child

paddyandy wrote: »

'No real man wants a woman in his bed who is built like a Gorilla though
there could be some exceptions out there or ....here .

I found Helena Bonham Carter strangely attractive in Planet of the Apes. Although I think she was a chimp rather than a Gorilla.

Capt'n Midnight

paddyandy wrote: »

If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

Actually when fit we are one of the best long distance endurance hunters on the planet. Our niche is that we can chase down prey during the heat of the day, being hairless we can loose heat faster while they die of heat exhaustion.

We are just about the only animal that can run twenty miles, cross a river and climb a tree. They used to chase down kangaroos on foot in Oz.

Some animals could compete in the track events. We'd wipe them in the field events. And the swimming with the named strokes. And almost all the stuff that required equipment.

Humans would beat any other species, and without checking all the sports , we'd lead on total medals too.


Oh yeah Phelps swims faster than your goldfish http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/18/michael-phelps-vs-goldfish-who-is-faster/

Re cat / dog - over what distance ?
I've out run the family dog, and I know the cat wouldn't have run for more than a few minutes

paddyandy

paddyandy wrote: »

'A fit well defined woman '? I like them really feminine with everything that a man
does'nt have . Sport takes the feminine away as well as giving them
aches and pains later on that most athletes have .Medals and cups don't get rid of
those . No real man wants a woman in his bed who is built like a Gorilla though
there could be some exceptions out there or ....here .

If I could arrange for you to have a discussion with Katie Taylor, I so would.

Dudess

A handful of posters who write downright psycho-weird stuff here, usually re Jews/women.

dermo88

One Day I hope mankind can develop better, cleaner and more efficient technologies than oil. On that day, the hypocrites at the House of Saud can be told.

"Your accounts are frozen"
"Your passports are blocked and rejected"

And....best of all....for a country that purports to "Love" Allah so much, could their leaders, their mullahs and conservative elements do the rest of us a favour.

Hurry up and meet him.

Dudess

Btw, spot on, Mcmoustache. This thing of "We can't criticise other countries because similar happened here" - self flagellating, illogical nonsense IMO. We are not responsible just because we're Irish - imbuing responsibility purely because of nationality, well look at what that kind of thinking has led to... Most of us were not even alive during the McQuaid era. And most of us condemn it. How we're being hypocrites is beyond me.
"I won't criticise the Saudi regime because of similar-ish policy in Ireland fifty years ago" would be a joke of a thing to say. I'm sure plenty of Saudi people are critical of the regime also. Oppression is oppression.

I use Ireland as an example of how things can evolve, especially in hindsight when we look at the crux year where spcoe

Evolution is a far safer thing than revolution. Certainly, there is the initial euphoria regarding the events of the Arab Spring in Libya, in Syria, in Egypt, in Bahrain, but the problem is, and it will contradict my first paragraph to an extent is.....

Revolutions have a historic tendency to 'eat their own'.

Political Islam has also become poisonous when it integrates religion with the legal system. It leads to all kind of moral relativism and hypocrisy, and does grave harm to the cause of womans rights. God is great, its just the fan club is a mess.

Stiffler2

I wasn't aware the Olympics brought in a new sammich making sport.

Proper order if you ask me, nothing less than softcore porn anyway...

paddyandy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Actually when fit we are one of the best long distance endurance hunters on the planet. Our niche is that we can chase down prey during the heat of the day, being hairless we can loose heat faster while they die of heat exhaustion. ####### A gun or Spear is brain power and not much to do with psychical prowess Animals rare take long to hunt down their prey and a human could never exhaust an animal .

We are just about the only animal that can run twenty miles, cross a river and climb a tree. They used to chase down kangaroos on foot in Oz.
############## NB. No Animal takes so long to catch anything
Some animals could compete in the track events. We'd wipe them in the field events. And the swimming with the named strokes. And almost all the stuff that required equipment.
################# A fish does'nt need to look ridiculous doing a back stroke
Humans would beat any other species, and without checking all the sports , we'd lead on total medals too.
############ A piece of Shiny Metal with a fool's name on it a fish does'nt need .

Oh yeah Phelps swims faster than your goldfish http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/18/michael-phelps-vs-goldfish-who-is-faster/ ########Fish are faster and much more dignified that a human who looks mildly ridiculous and undignified too.

Re cat / dog - over what distance ?
I've out run the family dog, and I know the cat wouldn't have run for more than a few minutes

############# An Overweight animal or an old dog with Arthritis .

paddyandy

The Mc Quaids of to-day are in Advertising using celebrities as bait instead of saints .

arybvtcw0eolkf

Stiffler2 wrote: »

I wasn't aware the Olympics brought in a new sammich making sport.

Proper order if you ask me, nothing less than softcore porn anyway...

Ok this is a wild guess, but .... An attempt at humor?.

Nothingbetter2d

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Sports are considerably more difficult in a burka.

except for jousting event.... burka aint much different to the knight's helmet of old.

paddyandy

Stiffler2 wrote: »

I wasn't aware the Olympics brought in a new sammich making sport.

Proper order if you ask me, nothing less than softcore porn anyway...

CORRECT....
Nice to watch the tennis ladies' dresses bounce on their bums revealing their pantys....about the only thing i like about the game .
AND the business understands that aspect too .

Nothingbetter2d

paddyandy wrote: »

CORRECT....
Nice to watch the tennis ladies' dresses bounce on their bums revealing their pantys....about the only thing i like about the game .

that and all the grunting those women do.... sounds like they are having orgasms everytime they hit the ball.

Dudess

paddyandy wrote: »

Stiffler2 wrote: »

I wasn't aware the Olympics brought in a new sammich making sport.

Proper order if you ask me, nothing less than softcore porn anyway...

CORRECT....
Nice to watch the tennis ladies' dresses bounce on their bums revealing their pantys....about the only thing i like about the game .
AND the business understands that aspect too .

Yeah, tennis emphasises the importance of female players looking sexy for male viewers, not being a competitive sport. Btw if you maintain female tennis players are all curvy and feminine, four words for you: Venus and Serena Williams.

But anyway, I'll make sure that women all over the world get the memo: look sexy for Paddyandy, don't do what you want to do yourself.

Nothingbetter2d

Dudess wrote: »

, four words for you: Venus and Serena Williams.

weren't they born as blokes either that or they has a breakfast bowl of testosterone pills every day.

Solair

Pwpane wrote: »

From less than 60 years ago in Ireland, John Charles McQuaid's Lenten Regulations (from Bock the Robber http://bocktherobber.com/2012/02/lenten-regulations-john-charles-mcquaid/)

We take occasion to express our grave disapproval of the practice which has begun to show itself of permitting young women to compete in cycling and athletics in mixed public sports.

Pope Pius XI, emphasising the rules for separation of the sexes which the law of nature and Christian prudence demand, has declared: ‘These rules must be observed also in athletics and gymnastic exercises, where special precaution must be taken in regard to Christian modesty in the case of girls, inasmuch as it is extremely unbecoming for them to display themselves before the public gaze’. (Encyclical Letter, “Divini Illius Magisti”.)

People in glasshouses etc...

The difference was, despite his best efforts, he was just the Archbishop of Dublin. These were CHURCH INTERNAL RULES and nothing to do with the general public or national law in Ireland.

Admittedly, in the 1950s there was a lot of confusion about this at the time, but the Catholic Church was just an overly-powerful arrogant lobbyist. It was never part of Government.

The issue was that the Government at the time was absolutely cowardly and tended to do go with the populist option, which at that time was ultra-conservative Catholic.

Ireland was at no stage a dictatorship. The problem was that a somewhat nutty electorate kept voting in a very conservative version of Fianna Fail. Nobody was making them do that!

Saudi Arabia on the other hand is a theocracy with almost no real democracy and absolutely no women's rights. It has almost no concept of civil law either.

The two situations are not remotely comparable.

You could compare Ireland in the 1950s to parts of the conservative US in the '50s or even England.

Ireland just had a Catholic flavour of post-Victorian puritanical conservatism.

I think in Ireland, we've a tendency to forget that the country has actually got pretty sound constitutional foundations, even if the Church was somewhat abusing its influence over the political system in the past.

Despite everything, we are one of the oldest and longest running continuous democracies in the world. Democracy in Ireland didn't start after independence. We had full parliamentary democracy as part of the UK since 1801 and the Irish parliament, flawed and all as it may have been in terms of sufferage, existed continuously for centuries before that.

We basically had a civil war / war of Independence, within a democratic state (i.e. what was the UK then) and declared independence while continuing democracy and strengthening it further.

It's a relatively unusual situation.

So, we're about as comparable with Saudi as we are with medieval Spain to be perfectly honest

Stiffler2

Princess Deafening Conga wrote: »

Ok this is a wild guess, but .... An attempt at humor?.

Fixed that for Ya :rolleyes:

Tennis ladies panties & grunts.
Don't forget the camel toe from the pole vault
also don't forget the lycra clad running ladies


like i said - softcore porn it is

conorhal

Solair wrote: »

The difference was, despite his best efforts, he was just the Archbishop of Dublin. These were CHURCH INTERNAL RULES and nothing to do with the general public or national law in Ireland.

Admittedly, in the 1950s there was a lot of confusion about this at the time, but the Catholic Church was just an overly-powerful arrogant lobbyist. It was never part of Government..............[snipped]

Excellent post Solair. One of the most annoying things about any debate on Boards is the inevitable (and usually ill informed) 'whataboutery' of the moral relativists who contend that nobody can judge the behavior of anybody else on the basis of our own past transgressions, or even those of somebody else that has nothing to do with us. (I await the inevitable ‘but the US bombed Iraq response!’).
The Saudi's are scum. Pure and simple, I'd I be happy to leave them to their scumbaggery if only they could refrain from spreading it everywhere they go, because Saudi's money spreads across the globe, funding everything from Madrasas in Pakistan to building the mosque in Clonskeagh in Dublin. And with Saudi money of course comes their pernicious and twisted form of Islam (Wahhabism) that is both regressive and destructive and now as pervasive as Saudi cash. So as far as I'm concerned they should be turned away from every international stage when they insist on behaving in this manner, there is an Olympic ethos and they can either abide by it or piss off.

snubbleste

Saudi government has had a change of mind and bowed to pressure. They will be sending one female to compete in the Olympics.

BBC - London 2012 Olympics: Saudis allow women to compete

Shenshen

paddyandy wrote: »

The Sports Industry not being contented with the vast fortunes from men has called out the women too in order that more billions can be made .It's really the coquettish behaviour of big business that's behind this .People today are very docile when prodded by slick advertising .
Why a woman needs to be athletic serves no practical purpose whatsoever and there is the idea that fitness and health are the same thing ; which it is'nt .TV and Journalism are accomplices in all this and who can keep the politicians away from any photo call. If the Animal World could see the Humans at their efforts in 1.Boxing ..the average adult kangaroo could kill a heavyweight
2. Running ; The average domestic cat or dog can outrun an olympic runner 3. My goldfish can swim better than any entrant .The Animal World if they could understand the Spectacle of the Olympic games would laugh and not stop at the nonsense before them Human Beings have nothing to brag about when it comes to psychical prowess .

Animal Olympics FTW!!!!

ejmaztec

snubbleste wrote: »

Saudi government has had a change of mind and bowed to pressure. They will be sending one female to compete in the Olympics.

BBC - London 2012 Olympics: Saudis allow women to compete

If only one Saudi gets a medal, I hope it's her, that'll piss em off more than anything.

JohnMarston

df1985 wrote: »

Burka diving....be like watching a bag of spuds fall off a ledge!

I laughed more than i probably should have at that

seamus

Obviously they like showjumping because the woman is almost entirely clothed, save for her face and hands.

Presumably they don't even allow women/girls to do things like running, lest some woman dare to wear suitable clothing in public.

Sappa

I don't get the big fuss here,how are these women expected to compete at the sane level with tge full Berka on.
Could you imagine them in the hurdles or high jump,they would look like a ninja assassin.
There just saving face for the women,it must be too big a deal in Saudi as the women aren't protesting much about it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Sappa wrote: »

I don't get the big fuss here,how are these women expected to compete at the sane level with tge full Berka on.
Could you imagine them in the hurdles or high jump,they would look like a ninja assassin.

Ninja assassins seem to move quite quickly when they want to...

AngeGal

Sappa wrote: »

I don't get the big fuss here,how are these women expected to compete at the sane level with tge full Berka on.
Could you imagine them in the hurdles or high jump,they would look like a ninja assassin.
There just saving face for the women,it must be too big a deal in Saudi as the women aren't protesting much about it.

Christ on a bike.....

So much wrong with that paragraph that it's hard to know where to start.

First of all, many Saudis living outside Saudi don't wear burkas. Second of all, if those in Saudi did protest too much, you can be damn sure they wouldn't be protesting too long....

Sappa

AngeGal wrote: »

Sappa wrote: »

I don't get the big fuss here,how are these women expected to compete at the sane level with tge full Berka on.
Could you imagine them in the hurdles or high jump,they would look like a ninja assassin.
There just saving face for the women,it must be too big a deal in Saudi as the women aren't protesting much about it.

Christ on a bike.....

So much wrong with that paragraph that it's hard to know where to start.

First of all, many Saudis living outside Saudi don't wear burkas. Second of all, if those in Saudi did protest too much, you can be damn sure they wouldn't be protesting too long....

Ehh this is after hours and I was being sarcastic,obviously it flew right over you lol.