"no Irish " ad in Oz

Xavi6

howwedoin wrote: »

I am living in Australia, the skangers can usually be spotted by the bad haircuts, burned skin and general demeanour. From my experience, lads that are wearing a counties gah shorts usually got them from playing with the county and generally they arent "skangers". Not many skangers go out and by their county teams shorts.

You're right, they nick them

Micky Dolenz

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Put away the pitch forks please.

irishmover

The noisy ones have always ruined it for the rest.

howwedoin

Xavi6 wrote: »

You're right, they nick them

Good lad!

Xavi6

Dudess wrote: »

So it's ok to state "No Irish" on the basis of the rowdy Irish gimps (whom I'm not denying are plentiful)? Effectively making all Irish people accountable for their behaviour simply because they share their nationality?

So, I go to Australia for a year, I don't act the bollocks and I can't apply for this job because I share nationality with people to whom I've otherwise no connection with. Delightful. And of course a bunch of Irish people bending over and taking it...

Well yes it is ok because it's his business so he's entitled to hire who he wants. Why waste the time of Irish people if they have no chance of getting the job? Let them know from the get go that they won't be employed by him.

He's in the building trade so probably had Irish lads before who went out on the lash four or five nights a week, never showed up for their half day on a Saturday, and were constantly hungover. He doesn't want to repeat that experience and who can argue with him? It happens all the time on sites here.

It's no different to places in San Diego that won't rent to J1-ers. The bad apples have ruined it for others and it's not fair but that's the way it goes.

dlofnep

CJC999 wrote: »

There are a lot of genuine hardworking irish people who have moved to australia to look for work but there are also a lot of complete wasters who create trouble everywhere they go. Theyre the sort that pissed every penny up against a wall when they were working, the ones you find fighting on the streets after nightclubs turf them out and the same ones that filled the courts with public order cases for the last number of years. I know of one town where the guards have literally nothing to do now at weekends as 20+ of the most prolific troublemakers have all left for australia/canada in the last 12 months or so but the sad thing is most of the useless f***ers will probably end up back here again when theyre thrown out of Oz/Canada.

I'm sure there are more than enough local Aussies that do the exact same thing. It's no excuse to condemn an entire nationality of people, based on the actions of a few.

karma_

Xavi6 wrote: »

Well yes it is ok because it's his business so he's entitled to hire who he wants. Why waste the time of Irish people if they have no chance of getting the job? Let them know from the get go that they won't be employed by him.

He's in the building trade so probably had Irish lads before who went out on the lash four or five nights a week, never showed up for their half day on a Saturday, and were constantly hungover. He doesn't want to repeat that experience and who can argue with him? It happens all the time on sites here.

It's no different to places in San Diego that won't rent to J1-ers. The bad apples have ruined it for others and it's not fair but that's the way it goes.

It's not just 'not fair', it's illegal, even in Australia.

I've had the pleasure of living abroad, in the midst of a lot of Irish and the picture that's painted of them is no where near as bad as a lot of the reactionary posters make out.

KeithAFC

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

karma_

KeithAFC wrote: »

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

When you say 'Fine Australians', I'm wondering if that includes the racists?

dlofnep

KeithAFC wrote: »

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

Are you suggesting that there are no Irish people that work hard?

Dudess

Xavi6 wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

So it's ok to state "No Irish" on the basis of the rowdy Irish gimps (whom I'm not denying are plentiful)? Effectively making all Irish people accountable for their behaviour simply because they share their nationality?

So, I go to Australia for a year, I don't act the bollocks and I can't apply for this job because I share nationality with people to whom I've otherwise no connection with. Delightful. And of course a bunch of Irish people bending over and taking it...

Well yes it is ok because it's his business so he's entitled to hire who he wants. Why waste the time of Irish people if they have no chance of getting the job? Let them know from the get go that they won't be employed by him.

He shouldn't say it on the sign in the first place. And I'm sure you'd agree if you were an Irishman not interested in acting the twat but just looking for a job.

irishmover

KeithAFC wrote: »

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

So not one single Irishman or woman is hard working?

Micky Dolenz

KeithAFC wrote: »

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

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Dudess

KeithAFC wrote: »

The fine Australian people deserve hard workers. Not people more interested in drinking and messing about.

Why are they all fine? They're a mixed bunch, like any nationality.
What's the above got to do with a sign saying "No Irish need apply"? You wouldn't be trying to troll the message that Irish people = "all drunken messers" now would you?

dlofnep

I've no idea why Keith continues to post on an Irish forum when he holds such public contempt for us. The mind truly boggles.

Bad Panda

karma_ wrote: »

It's not just 'not fair', it's illegal, even in Australia.

Even in Australia?

'It' being illegal is a bit of technicality, simply because he's advertised he doesn't want Irish.

So they know not to apply. Nobody's time is wasted. Fine (not fine, but you know).

It's OK for him to have the attitude he has (and keep it to himself) and let them apply and just not hire them/get back to them.

The last part is unfair. What he's did was illegal.

You can't really prevent this sort of thing whichever way you look at it. It's his business, he can do what he wants pretty much.

karma_

dlofnep wrote: »

I've no idea why Keith continues to post on an Irish forum when he holds such public contempt for us. The mind truly boggles.

Never mind Keith, it's the indifferent attitude of the Irish posters I find the most perturbing.

Xavi6

Dudess wrote: »

He shouldn't say it on the sign in the first place. And I'm sure you'd agree if you were an Irishman not interested in acting the twat but just looking for a job.

So if he doesn't want Irish people he should just let them apply, show up for an interview, get their hopes up then reject them?

dlofnep

Xavi6 wrote: »

So if he doesn't want Irish people he should just let them apply, show up for an interview, get their hopes up then reject them?

No - he shouldn't prejudge any in the first place based on their nationality.

Dudess

dlofnep wrote: »

I've no idea why Keith continues to post on an Irish forum when he holds such public contempt for us. The mind truly boggles.

I've a fair idea tbh.

karma_

Xavi6 wrote: »

So if he doesn't want Irish people he should just let them apply, show up for an interview, get their hopes up then reject them?

Better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're a racist, than to open your mouth and prove it.

KeithAFC

Seems my post was misconstrued. I read the first few pages and seen some people pointing out that there seems to be a problem with immigrants going to Australia. I didn't mean Irish people. Apologies if I didn't make it more clear.

Dudess

Xavi6 wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

He shouldn't say it on the sign in the first place. And I'm sure you'd agree if you were an Irishman not interested in acting the twat but just looking for a job.

So if he doesn't want Irish people he should just let them apply, show up for an interview, get their hopes up then reject them?

You're jumping ahead - I'm saying: don't put up such a sign; interview people, and recruit based on interview.

dlofnep

KeithAFC wrote: »

Seems my post was misconstrued. I read the first few pages and seen some people pointing out that there seems to be a problem with immigrants going to Australia. I didn't mean Irish people. Apologies if I didn't make it more clear.

Nice back-peddling.

sunflower27

The guy was a fool to write the ad the way he did. Not only does he look like a racist bigot, but it allows everyone else to jump on the 'all Aussies are racist' bandwagon.

It is one guy, and one ad, let's keep it in perspective. The fact there is such an outcry is because it has been the first of its kind, no?

I am sure he is regretting being such a fool, regardless of whether he will ever admit it

karma_

sunflower27 wrote: »

The guy was a fool to write the ad the way he did. Not only does he look like a racist bigot, but it allows everyone else to jump on the 'all Aussies are racist' bandwagon.

It is one guy, and one ad, let's keep it in perspective. The fact there is such an outcry is because it has been the first of its kind, no?

I am sure he is regretting being such a fool, regardless of whether he will ever admit it

I don't think anyone in the thread has suggested that 'all Aussies are racist' because of this. However, it's the 21st Century, this kind of thing has no place in modern society and we are allowed to be critical of it.

Xavi6

Dudess wrote: »

You're jumping ahead - I'm saying: don't put up such a sign; interview people, and recruit based on interview.

Considering the amount of people he will most likely have interested in the job he probably doesn't want to waste his time finding (in his opinion) the one good apple amongst all the bad ones.

I get why there's internet outrage here, Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them, but it's still his business to do with what he wants.

steddyeddy

Oz has massize problems with racisim in particular their treatment of the native aborigines. They have a long way to go. Like south africa oz seems to have an ingrained racisim.

sunflower27

karma_ wrote: »

I don't think anyone in the thread has suggested that 'all Aussies are racist' because of this. However, it's the 21st Century, this kind of thing has no place in modern society and we are allowed to be critical of it.

No, you are right - there is no place for this sort of behaviour - but it is one fool's ad, ONE.

sunflower27

steddyeddy wrote: »

Oz has massize problems with racisim in particular their treatment of the native aborigines. They have a long way to go. Like south africa oz seems to have an ingrained racisim.

Some do - plenty don't.

jayteecork

He doesn't want Irish. If he didn't state as much he'd have a load of irish coming to the interview that had no hope of getting the job.

So it saves time for everyone, fairdincome I say to him.

The funny thing is this will blow over in a few dyas, if he said "NO BLACKS" every hippie dogooder pro-palestine muppet would be out in arms for months.

Micky Dolenz

Xavi6 wrote: »

Considering the amount of people he will most likely have interested in the job he probably doesn't want to waste his time finding (in his opinion) the one good apple amongst all the bad ones.

I get why there's internet outrage here, Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them, but it's still his business to do with what he wants.

That's simply incorrect.

Dudess

Bit dismissive to call it internet outrage, and I presume your "Irish people are good at" whatever doesn't apply to you, even though you're also Irish.
It's a discussion forum, an incident of discrimination against Irish people is being discussed as is fitting with the medium. Irish people aren't unreasonable for finding this objectionable. And you've obviously missed the significant number of simpering "Oh yeah it's fine to discriminate against Irish people" comments - from Irish people.

dlofnep

Xavi6 wrote: »

I get why there's internet outrage here, Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them

Every nationality would be insulted at such an advert. We have a right to express disgust, without being patronised.

Xavi6 wrote: »

, but it's still his business to do with what he wants.

Actually - it isn't. Australia's Racial Discrimination Act of 1975 states that he does not have the right to do with it what he wants, when it comes to pre-judging someone for employment.

steddyeddy

Xavi6 wrote: »

Considering the amount of people he will most likely have interested in the job he probably doesn't want to waste his time finding (in his opinion) the one good apple amongst all the bad ones.

I get why there's internet outrage here, Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them, but it's still his business to do with what he wants.

Thas the sort of attitude that resulted in the real austrailians being discriminated against when it came to jobs. The exact same line was given my business ect ect.

Doc Ruby

bwatson wrote: »

What's your point?

Granted, his views are unpleasant and more than likely the result of a lack of awareness but what you appear to be suggesting looks a whole lot worse to me.

What are you hoping to achieve through posting all of his details - reprisals? You want the outraged Irish to bombard the man and his family with emails and telephone calls so he knows just how much you know of him and just how much you dislike him? You would get a kick out of intimidating and frightening not just a man you take issue with but also his loved ones?

For you to take up a position of moral outrage on this is laughable considering the insight into your character you are affording us with your posts.

Northern loyalist from the most racist place on earth defends racist shocker.

steddyeddy

sunflower27 wrote: »

Some do - plenty don't.

True but it would be far to say that the country is up there for government backed discrimination.

angry kitten

Damn it, the ad was removed when I looked a minute ago, ah well I'll just have to be morally outraged anyway. Personally I'd rather our hard drinking Gaa idiots were exported, less of them here then. I've noticed some of my neighbours offspring who are in their mid 20's taking off to Australia and America for a few months of getting wasted(Job hunting) then back home again to mommy and daddy to get pissed on the dole money at weekends.

Xavi6

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

That's simply incorrect.

Ultimately it's not, he doesn't have to hire an Irish person if he doesn't want to.

Dudess wrote: »

Bit dismissive to call it internet outrage, and I presume your "Irish people are good at" whatever doesn't apply to you, even though you're also Irish.
It's a discussion forum, an incident of discrimination against Irish people is being discussed as is fitting with the medium. Irish people aren't unreasonable for finding this objectionable. And you've obviously missed the significant number of simpering "Oh yeah it's fine to discriminate against Irish people" comments - from Irish people.

What else is it then? As I said already, it's one bloke on the other side of the world. It's not going to be 'knock on the door' outrage is it?

And I never said I had a problem with it being discussed because that falls under the remit of what I said - Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them. Case in point right here.

guitarzero

Dudess wrote: »

Learn what political correctness means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

Problem?

ash23

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ultimately it's not, he doesn't have to hire an Irish person if he doesn't want to.



What else is it then? As I said already, it's one bloke on the other side of the world. It's not going to be 'knock on the door' outrage is it?

And I never said I had a problem with it being discussed because that falls under the remit of what I said - Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them. Case in point right here.

I'm very confused? You're Irish? Living in Australia? And you're ok with being discriminated against based on your nationality?
So if your boss came to you tomorrow after a run in with some Irish bloke in the pub and sacked you because you are also Irish, would you say it's his business and he can do what he likes?
Eh, doubtful!!
:rolleyes:

karma_

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ultimately it's not, he doesn't have to hire an Irish person if he doesn't want to.



What else is it then? As I said already, it's one bloke on the other side of the world. It's not going to be 'knock on the door' outrage is it?

And I never said I had a problem with it being discussed because that falls under the remit of what I said - Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them. Case in point right here.

It shouldn't be a case of the Irish being offended by this, it should be everyone. It's an archaic practise, and we should not be offended just because it was Irish this time, but we can substitute Black, Asian, Eastern European, Aboriginal into the ad and still be offended.

If we start becoming lenient on this kind of bullshít, it will become more prevalent, so no, I don;t accept we should just ignore it, put our heads in the sand and forget it.

Xavi6

dlofnep wrote: »

Actually - it isn't. Australia's Racial Discrimination Act of 1975 states that he does not have the right to do with it what he wants, when it comes to pre-judging someone for employment.

Does he have to hire an Irish person?

sunflower27

steddyeddy wrote: »

True but it would be far to say that the country is up there for government backed discrimination.

You have facts to back this up?

I'd be happy to read them.

steddyeddy

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ultimately it's not, he doesn't have to hire an Irish person if he doesn't want to.



What else is it then? As I said already, it's one bloke on the other side of the world. It's not going to be 'knock on the door' outrage is it?

And I never said I had a problem with it being discussed because that falls under the remit of what I said - Irish people are good at shouting from the rooftops about things that offend them. Case in point right here.

Indeed he doesnt have to hire anyone he doesnt want to. What he has to do though however is not discriminate against people of different race or nationality. You would think that oz would have learned that by now.

Doc Ruby

norrie rugger wrote: »

Ad taken down

Good thing I got a screenshot then.

Xavi6 wrote: »

And what would you like us to do with this information? What purpose would passing it on to people serve apart from inciting harrassment which you said you want to avoid?

There's only one purpose for posting someone's personal info online and it's not a nice one.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

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Put away the pitch forks please.

His contact details are already posted north, south, east and west on the internet.

I shall be sending them and the screenshot of his advert to media outlets in both Ireland and in Australia - hopefully by shining a light on bottom feeding mouth breathers like this the next guy will think twice before going for it, and who knows, maybe cause that minority of Aussies who hold similar views to re-examine them and discover the greivous error of their ways.

dlofnep

Xavi6 wrote: »

Does he have to hire an Irish person?

He can't discriminate based on their nationality. Therefore, he is obliged by law to give an unbiased hearing to everyone regardless of their nationality.

Moreover, if someone's application is rejected and they feel that it is based on racial or ethnic grounds, they have the right to bring it to a court of law.

Xavi6

ash23 wrote: »

I'm very confused? You're Irish? Living in Australia?

Australian born, grew up in Ireland, live in Australia if that's any use.

And you're ok with being discriminated against based on your nationality?

I never once said it was ok, I said I can understand why he would do it.

So if your boss came to you tomorrow after a run in with some Irish bloke in the pub and sacked you because you are also Irish, would you say it's his business and he can do what he likes?
Eh, doubtful!!
:rolleyes:

Why would they hire an Irish person then sack them because they're Irish?

Here, have a rolleyes back for not thinking that analogy through - :rolleyes:

KeithAFC

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Northern loyalist from the most racist place on earth defends racist shocker.

Is that not a bit of a generalisation?

Xavi6

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Good thing I got a screenshot then.



His contact details are already posted north, south, east and west on the internet.

I shall be sending them and the screenshot of his advert to media outlets in both Ireland and in Australia - hopefully by shining a light on bottom feeding mouth breathers like this the next guy will think twice before going for it, and who knows, maybe cause that minority of Aussies who hold similar views to re-examine them and discover the greivous error of their ways.

Liveline's about to start, you sound like one of Joe's cronies so maybe give him a shout.