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The Black Oil

What would a bishop know about the day-to-day realities of marriage?

lazygal

The Black Oil wrote: »

What would a bishop know about the day-to-day realities of marriage?

FYP.

Penn

The Black Oil wrote: »

What would a bishop know about the day-to-day realities of marriage?

He's married to the Church.

Though of course, the Church never forgets to iron your shirt for your important meeting the next morning even though you asked her like, five times and she was ironing other clothes anyway.

robindch

The Black Oil wrote: »

What would a bishop know about the day-to-day realities of marriage?

Would be nice if - for example - the LGBTQ community got together and released a paper telling priests and bishops where, when and how they're allowed to do what with their front and back bottoms.

MrPudding

lazygal wrote: »

I'm sure small small donations are welcome too. Even if they end up costing Iona money.

You just reminded me to make another one. For some reason, though, my credit card is not appearing in Paypal (my preferred method of donating to them). I hope they find a good use for my 1 cent donation. I hope many of you find the christmas spirit and generosity to send them 1 cent. I think lots of all 1 cent donations could have a really positive impact on society.

MrP

Fred Swanson

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MrPudding

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/non-profit

MrP

Cabaal

MrPudding wrote: »

https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/non-profit

MrP

I'm reading that right, 20p per donation..plus the %?
Reading on the Ireland site it appears to be 35c

Shrap

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm reading that right, 20p per donation..plus the %?
Reading on the Ireland site it appears to be 35c

That's what I read. What does paypal charge the sender though? Would be nice to think a donation would hurt them more than me

And on a side note, don't you think that's a bit crappy of paypal to charge that for a charitable donation?!

The Randy Riverbeast

Don't they have to accept the donation? I would assume no charge if they dont accept it.

It is a bit chitty to take such a cut from a charity donation, although I dont really see how it is a charity in this case.

robindch

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

It is a bit chitty to take such a cut from a charity donation, although I dont really see how it is a charity in this case.

In Ireland, the propagation of religion is, by law, a charitable act. Somebody tried and failed to catch the Ionanists out on that a few years back, but all the same, DQ and friends became even more circumspect as a result.

MrPudding

Shrap wrote: »

That's what I read. What does paypal charge the sender though? Would be nice to think a donation would hurt them more than me

And on a side note, don't you think that's a bit crappy of paypal to charge that for a charitable donation?!

No charge to me.

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Don't they have to accept the donation? I would assume no charge if they dont accept it.

It is a bit chitty to take such a cut from a charity donation, although I dont really see how it is a charity in this case.

I think they do have to accept it. Not sure how that process works, but hopefully it is time consuming.

On the subject of taking a cut from charities, I believe the fees are lower for registered charities. Also, visa and MasterCard will still levy a transaction fee and I am sure the banks still charge. Not everyone is charitable to charities.

MrP

The Black Oil

They know what's best for people, always.

The announcement by Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald that the waiting time for a couple seeking a divorce may be reduced is a further indication the Government does not take seriously its constitutional duty to guard marriage with “special care”, according to the Iona Institute.

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“It is true that some people find the wait for a divorce frustrating but if the current constitutional requirement to wait several years before divorcing is slowing down the rate of divorce, then we should retain it.

“When Spain introduced a much quicker divorce regime 10 years ago, the number of divorces there quickly doubled.”

Irish Examiner

Cabaal

Sure they are right! As soon as that made being gay legal the amount of gay people increased by countless numbers. This has proven that their theory for divorce will go the same way

Shrap

“When Spain introduced a much quicker divorce regime 10 years ago, the number of divorces there quickly doubled.”

Well, duh. Of course it did. All the separated couples were able to divorce more quickly, so if we reduced our 4 year wait to 1 year, in the first year after introducing the quicker process we could see up to 3 times more divorces happening, as the next 3 years of impending divorces were able to go at it too. Most likely it would only double for the first two years though, and then fall back to the normal rates. I'm hopeless at maths, but even I can work that out :rolleyes:

anothernight

Shrap wrote: »

Well, duh. Of course it did. All the separated couples were able to divorce more quickly, so if we reduced our 4 year wait to 1 year, in the first year after introducing the quicker process we could see up to 3 times more divorces happening, as the next 3 years of impending divorces were able to go at it too. Most likely it would only double for the first two years though, and then fall back to the normal rates. I'm hopeless at maths, but even I can work that out :rolleyes:

Since the introduction of "divorcio express" in Spain (as Catholics over there called it), there's no need to be separated before getting the divorce, and the whole thing can be done in an average of 2 months (a couple of weeks if done in some of the faster local courts, or a few months if there's disputes). If the Iona people knew how quick it can be over there, their heads would probably explode.

Walter Bishop

anothernight wrote: »

If the Iona people knew how quick it can be over there, their heads would probably explode.

Anyone got their phone number...

Shrap

anothernight wrote: »

Since the introduction of "divorcio express" in Spain (as Catholics over there called it), there's no need to be separated before getting the divorce, and the whole thing can be done in an average of 2 months (a couple of weeks if done in some of the faster local courts, or a few months if there's disputes). If the Iona people knew how quick it can be over there, their heads would probably explode.

Wow, that's speedy! The Irish government would explode too, I'm fairly sure. Considering that no matter what the circumstances of the relationship, a parent can't claim Lone Parent's Allowance for 3 months after separating in case of a "reconciliation". Puts parents trying to escape abusive relationships in an impossible position, so if they can justify that then I'm fairly sure they can continue to justify a 4 year wait for a divorce

Hotblack Desiato

We're stuck with it until there's another referendum. Legislating via the constitution never works out well.

Really we should scrap the whole thing and replace it with a set of basic principles which would fit on 2 sides of an A4 page - in reasonably large print.

The Black Oil

Careful now. The two sides of A4 must not be of the same sex.

Not a paperphobe.

MetalDog

Quinnstitute in opposing progress shocker :O

Nodin

And he's still whinging.......................
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/in-2015-we-voted-against-the-right-of-a-child-to-a-mother-and-a-father-34327836.html

The Black Oil

Kev W

"In 2015 the Internet was full of liberal Irish people celebrating the SSM referendum victory. You won't find such celebration of the eighth amendment from conservatives in 1983 on the Internet, oh no.

Because we're so much classier, is why.

That's absolutely the reason.

Don't overthink it.

Shut up."

looksee

Well no - the internet barely existed in 1983.

xband

Boards.ie was an actual notice board with thumbtacks in 1983. The mods were all nuns carrying a big stick.

Dricmeister

Regardless of one's perspective, it's ridiculous to lambast the Iona Institute's media profile and not to do the same in relation to the likes of Rory O'Neill/Panti Bliss.

Kev W

looksee wrote: »

Well no - the internet barely existed in 1983.

Yes. That was the joke.

Kev W

Dricmeister wrote: »

Regardless of one's perspective, it's ridiculous to lambast the Iona Institute's media profile and not to do the same in relation to the likes of Rory O'Neill/Panti Bliss.

How so?

RainyDay

Nodin wrote: »

And he's still whinging.......................
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/in-2015-we-voted-against-the-right-of-a-child-to-a-mother-and-a-father-34327836.html

It's really funny how he writes his regular column in the country's largest selling newspaper about how the 'liberals' control the meeja.