Formula 1: Round 01 - Australian GP

shamwari

sob1467 wrote: »

Anyone else watching the race on RTL?

Yeah I did. A couple of ad breaks apart, it was fine. I didn't bother streaming audio from elsewhere, I had a fair idea what the commentators were saying :pac:

antomorro-sei

Missed it. Got to see a couple of laps in a service station though! Hopefully I'll catch some highlights later.

Ghost Train

sky trying to copy the bbc format, not as good though.

forzacalcio

dloob wrote: »

I notice that Brundle and Co. noticed Vettel getting ahead of Hamiltion right away while DC spent 5 minutes going on about how it would hurt Vettel even while we could see him in front of Hamilton. :rolleyes:

6 of one really. DC figured out the Raikkonen situation in Qualifying well before SS did!

Daniel S

Ghost Train wrote: »

sky trying to copy the bbc format, not as good though.

Well, to be fair, they've a good few former BBC employee's and the format is mostly dictated by FOM. They're just giving us what we want (and making us pay for it).

ivanc

Penalty for Heikki - Clearly some angry birds on the Stewards panel

El Inho

and now im awake watching the delayed coverage.

know all the results anyway. This safety car period is mad...but i did enjoy the sight of a truck tearing around the track...life goal achieved for truck driver.

dont like this rule of back markers overtaking before the SC pulls off

decisions

eldwaro wrote: »

and now im awake watching the delayed coverage.

know all the results anyway. This safety car period is mad...but i did enjoy the sight of a truck tearing around the track...life goal achieved for truck driver.

dont like this rule of back markers overtaking before the SC pulls off

If they had something like half the laps under the safety car added on at the end I wouldent have any issue with it. With the current setup its just wasting valuable laps.

ottostreet

Really enjoyable race... Vettel proved (again) he deserves the plaudits he has.

ivanc

eldwaro wrote: »

.but i did enjoy the sight of a truck tearing around the track

He'll honestly be able to tell his grandkids that he led an F1 Race!

dr.fuzzenstein

Did anyone else see how Raikkonen made up two places in the last lap?
He was 9th and suddenly finished 7th out of nowhere.
There where no shots of him passing and no mention of how he did it (watching repeat on BBC).
Ben Edwards OK, but I miss the Coulthard/Brundle combo, with those guys you knew that they knew what was going on out there on so many more levels than any other presenter.
They where rare in that they could comment on a race with actual F1 experience and being able to articulate it.
Kimi Raikkonen would make an interesting commentator (Hang on, I've go to go for a sh*t):D

amacachi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Did anyone else see how Raikkonen made up two places in the last lap?
He was 9th and suddenly finished 7th out of nowhere.
There where no shots of him passing and no mention of how he did it (watching repeat on BBC).
Ben Edwards OK, but I miss the Coulthard/Brundle combo, with those guys you knew that they knew what was going on out there on so many more levels than any other presenter.
They where rare in that they could comment on a race with actual F1 experience and being able to articulate it.
Kimi Raikkonen would make an interesting commentator (Hang on, I've go to go for a sh*t):D

Rosberg and Maldonardo retired...

Daniel S

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Did anyone else see how Raikkonen made up two places in the last lap?
He was 9th and suddenly finished 7th out of nowhere.
There where no shots of him passing and no mention of how he did it (watching repeat on BBC).
Ben Edwards OK, but I miss the Coulthard/Brundle combo, with those guys you knew that they knew what was going on out there on so many more levels than any other presenter.
They where rare in that they could comment on a race with actual F1 experience and being able to articulate it.
Kimi Raikkonen would make an interesting commentator (Hang on, I've go to go for a sh*t):D

The power of the ice-cream! :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

amacachi wrote: »

Rosberg and Maldonardo retired...

D'oh!
Of course they did.
Paddy's day lag and watching the race in a daze.
Great opener though, hope the rest will be even better.

amacachi

Not impressed with Crofty for the race tbh. First time listening to him for one and he's way too over-excitable for me.

Autosport

Brilliant start to the season, delighted Vettel didnt have it his way and no finger at the end although Jenson did try to copy it Delighted Martin is still doing the grid walk I'm liking Sky's coverage so far and my head is all over the place as 4:30am is too early for me Bring on Malaysia

Charlie-Bravo

Great first race - delighted for Button although I voted Hamy to win in the comp. Faster circuit next week will see a completely different grid order definitely. Does anyone have a calculator to loan McLaren?!

Cookie_Monster

astrofluff wrote: »

Does anyone have a calculator to loan McLaren?!

crap like that annoys me, either bring back refueling or force teams to use a minimum quantity that is enough to race full bore the whole time

lord lucan

amacachi wrote: »

Not impressed with Crofty for the race tbh. First time listening to him for one and he's way too over-excitable for me.

He needs to tone it down it a bit imo. Being on radio previously he's used to trying to convey the occasion to people who can't see it. No need to do that for a tv audience,he was a bit 'shouty' for my liking tbh. Can't believe it but i'd almost miss Coulthard.:eek:

Enjoyable race,had it Sky+'d and only got to watching it this evening. Skys coverage was pretty good. Still a few rough edges but it's early days and no doubt will be refined over the coming weeks.

Enjoyable race. Still plenty of questions remaining but lots of incident and talking points.

Charlie-Bravo

can someone just confirm the Vettel position change for me during the safety car period? Is it this:

The McLarens did their pitstop before the safety car period occurred, Vettel went through to take the lead, then meanwhile when the safety car came out, Jenson goes over the start/finish line, Vettel comes out of the pits behind Jenson, and Hamilton down the straight just behind Vettel. Or am I completely wrong there?

I just don't get how Vettel could catch up during a Safety car period and jump Hamilton?! or did all of this happy just before the safety car period while Vettel was in the pits??

stevenmu

I think he was actually in 1st when the safety car came out, because the two mclarens had pitted but he hadn't. He then pitted. I'm not sure exactly what happened then, either he just came back out in the gap between the mclarens meaning he actually passed without the aid of the saftey car, or it's possible that he came back out ahead of the safety car with Button trapped behind it.

Grim.

Hamilton had to drive much more of the 'slow' lap than vettel did, that is what i thought anyway could be wrong ofc

Charlie-Bravo

I just saw a replay of Vettel coming out of the pits at Safety car period...I can't see any McLarens on pit straight - so did he come out ahead or behind Jenson/Hamilton after pit stop No.2?

Grim.

astrofluff wrote: »

I just saw a replay of Vettel coming out of the pits at Safety car period...I can't see any McLarens on pit straight - so did he come out ahead or behind Jenson/Hamilton after pit stop No.2?

button had already gone past and hamilton was only at the start of the strait

Cookie_Monster

both Button and Hamilton had to slow down to the lap delta given when the safety car came out, regardless of where they were. so Vettle was able to do a full flying laps while Hamilton in the pits but Hamilton was not able to do a flying lap whiule Vettle was pitted and hence Vettle gained a load of time on him

amacachi

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

crap like that annoys me, either bring back refueling or force teams to use a minimum quantity that is enough to race full bore the whole time

Why not have a set number of pitstops with windows and all? I'm fine with the rules the way they are, leaves a risk there for the teams that could backfire massively.

astrofluff wrote: »

can someone just confirm the Vettel position change for me during the safety car period? Is it this:

The McLarens did their pitstop before the safety car period occurred, Vettel went through to take the lead, then meanwhile when the safety car came out, Jenson goes over the start/finish line, Vettel comes out of the pits behind Jenson, and Hamilton down the straight just behind Vettel. Or am I completely wrong there?

I just don't get how Vettel could catch up during a Safety car period and jump Hamilton?! or did all of this happy just before the safety car period while Vettel was in the pits??

The amount of time spent in the pitlane was equal for both of them. However the whole time Hamilton spent in the pits Vettel was going at full speed. While Vettel was in the pits Hamilton had to do most of a lap at a slower pace than what Vettel did while Hamilton was in the pits

Charlie-Bravo

He's such a jammy git. Maybe in the next race he won't be gifted such positions.

Grim.

delighted he got hammy that way just another way to sicken the twat

frostie500

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

crap like that annoys me, either bring back refueling or force teams to use a minimum quantity that is enough to race full bore the whole time

It's up to teams to design their cars with tanks big enough for the required fuel loads. Its also up to the teams to calculate the fuel needed per lap and for the race based on figures from practice and qualifying.
McLaren have a tendency to run very close to the limit but seeing as they won the race its pretty clear that they made the right call. I wouldnt read too much into any statement that says "we nearly ran dry" or anything like that. Button might have been in fuel save mode for most of the race but that could just mean short shifting at certain points of the track. If you look at most forms of racing when drivers are less aggressive and short shifting it can actually benefit them and let them set faster times for a stint because their tyres are in better shape etc.

dloob

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

both Button and Hamilton had to slow down to the lap delta given when the safety car came out, regardless of where they were. so Vettle was able to do a full flying laps while Hamilton in the pits but Hamilton was not able to do a flying lap whiule Vettle was pitted and hence Vettle gained a load of time on him

From what I heard it was extra jammy.
You have to slow down to the deltas but they are only per sector.
So as he was pitting and it would be measured at the start finish line and he was in the last sector he could go pretty much full pace as he would hit the 60km pit limit before crossing the line.

Grim.

dloob wrote: »

From what I heard it was extra jammy.
You have to slow down to the deltas but they are only per sector.
So as he was pitting and it would be measured at the start finish line and he was in the last sector he could go pretty much full pace as he would hit the 60km pit limit before crossing the line.

he definitely wasn't going full pace for the last sector he only started accelerating as he passed the safety car line entering the pit lane don't forget he was only 1.6 seconds behind Hamilton before the stop as well

dloob

Grim. wrote: »

he definitely wasn't going full pace for the last sector he only started accelerating as he passed the safety car line entering the pit lane don't forget he was only 1.6 seconds behind Hamilton before the stop as well

Yes I since found out there is a delta to the safety car line too and he made up the time between there and pit lane limit.

I was going by what Garry Anderson said about going flat in the last sector, what was I thinking. :pac:

PJTierney

http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r2en8/24_minutes_worth_of_team_radio_from_todays_grand/

24 minutes of team radio

Morricone

PJTierney wrote: »

http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r2en8/24_minutes_worth_of_team_radio_from_todays_grand/

24 minutes of team radio

My love for Kimi just increased even more after listening to that. The man is absolutely hilarious!!

WHY THE DRS NO WORKING????

WHY DO I GET ALL THE TIME BLUE FLAGS!!!!!

PJTierney

Kimi rage is the best rage.

dr.fuzzenstein

frostie500 wrote: »

It's up to teams to design their cars with tanks big enough for the required fuel loads. Its also up to the teams to calculate the fuel needed per lap and for the race based on figures from practice and qualifying.
McLaren have a tendency to run very close to the limit but seeing as they won the race its pretty clear that they made the right call. I wouldnt read too much into any statement that says "we nearly ran dry" or anything like that. Button might have been in fuel save mode for most of the race but that could just mean short shifting at certain points of the track. If you look at most forms of racing when drivers are less aggressive and short shifting it can actually benefit them and let them set faster times for a stint because their tyres are in better shape etc.

No single team runs with a full fuel load, they will always factor in a few laps of just cruising and a few laps at full tilt.
The less weight you carry off the starting line, the better.
If a car was fully fueled for the whole race at full tilt, he would be left for dead of the line.
I'd prefer if refueling came back, it was part of the strategy and cars weren't soggy barges off the line.

amacachi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

No single team runs with a full fuel load, they will always factor in a few laps of just cruising and a few laps at full tilt.
The less weight you carry off the starting line, the better.
If a car was fully fueled for the whole race at full tilt, he would be left for dead of the line.
I'd prefer if refueling came back, it was part of the strategy and cars weren't soggy barges off the line.

The most fuel they're going to try and go short with is about 10 kilos which would make a difference (in absolute potential speed) of a couple of tenths a lap. The 10 kilos doesn't make that much difference off the line, certainly not to the point of more than maybe one or two places. Just about the entire field cuts it fine so it's not like there's one car penalised off the line anyway.
I also like how awkward it makes the cars at the start. The on-board stuff is hilarious with how squirmy the cars are. The old way it was just fuel it, put tyres on and bomb around. Strategy was done on computers, the way it is now someone can sacrifice a tenth or two a lap and get far, far longer life out of their tyres if they can drive to them.

Even that 10 kilos thing may be an exaggeration as it would be about 7% of the total fuel load. They can barely save that much in Indycar when running at a couple of seconds a lap off the pace. They can accelerate with less penalty due to less drag but don't get the benefit of drag into the breaking areas so it balances out.