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Permanent Defence Forces Recruitment 2015

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    #602
    Midnight Oil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Midnight Oil


    My advice for anyone enlisting: tell the truth. Better to be disqualified than to face a court martial and end up spending 2 years in the digger, which is the max penalty for an offence contrary to Sec 165


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    #603
    nhoj88
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭nhoj88


    A friend who also applied for the navy recieved an email saying he will not be going forward for medical, and said he was number 45 on a reserve panel, to keep checking his emails, what does this mean??

    If they are calling (figures i got from this thread) 210 out of 350 from the interview to the medicals and recruiting 120 does this mean he is 165th (120 plus 45) in line, or 255th (210 plus 45) in line for recruitment??


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    #604
    Donny5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    Midnight Oil wrote: »
    My advice for anyone enlisting: tell the truth. Better to be disqualified than to face a court martial and end up spending 2 years in the digger, which is the max penalty for an offence contrary to Sec 165

    That's never going to happen and you know it. Now you're just using scare tactics.


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    #605
    Dogwatch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    Donny5 wrote: »
    That's never going to happen and you know it. Now you're just using scare tactics.

    Why lie in the first place or as you suggest Don't tell.

    Military service requires honest and medically fit personnel. If you are not both, you should not be there.


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    #606
    Donny5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Why lie in the first place or as you suggest Don't tell.

    Military service requires honest and medically fit personnel. If you are not both, you should not be there.

    The incentive to lie is that the criteria aren't always sensible, and the people you are competing against aren't going to let honesty disqualify themselves because of an asthma attack 12 years ago or LASIK. If you think it's not already the norm, you're deluding yourself.


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    #607
    paul o
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭paul o


    Donny5 wrote: »


    The incentive to lie is that the criteria aren't always sensible.

    Apologies. Did not realise you were a doctor. When did you qualify?


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    #608
    Donny5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    paul o wrote: »
    Apologies. Did not realise you were a doctor. When did you qualify?

    I'm not a doctor, but I'm not a pleb, either. To paraphrase Feynman, I'll never trust experts on the basis that they're experts. If you want to absolve yourself of the responsibility of thought, go ahead, but don't expect the same from others.


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    #609
    Axelf0128
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Axelf0128


    Anyone hear from the eastern yet ? Still waiting thought They would have had it sorted by today


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    #610
    Brad Pittman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭Brad Pittman


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Why lie in the first place or as you suggest Don't tell.

    Military service requires honest and medically fit personnel. If you are not both, you should not be there.

    That's true, fair play. Hopefully anyone who lie's will get caught out. I wonder what sort of a career they will have if they start lieing from day one?

    The Defence Forces require healthy, physically fit personnel. Why apply if your not? they don't want someone who is going to have an asthma attack or a seizure during training


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    #611
    Brad Pittman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭Brad Pittman


    nhoj88 wrote: »
    A friend who also applied for the navy recieved an email saying he will not be going forward for medical, and said he was number 45 on a reserve panel, to keep checking his emails, what does this mean??

    If they are calling (figures i got from this thread) 210 out of 350 from the interview to the medicals and recruiting 120 does this mean he is 165th (120 plus 45) in line, or 255th (210 plus 45) in line for recruitment??

    He is 165th then, I got the same email but Im lower then 45. I wouldn't panic yet, but who knows what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks


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    #612
    beco2010
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭beco2010


    Brad Pittman wrote: »
    He is 165th then, I got the same email but Im lower then 45. I wouldn't panic yet, but who knows what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks
    I got trough to the medical but there is no date for it yet. it just says i should expect hear in the next couple of days and keep checking your emails


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    #613
    Axelf0128
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Axelf0128


    beco2010 wrote: »
    Brad Pittman wrote: »
    He is 165th then, I got the same email but Im lower then 45. I wouldn't panic yet, but who knows what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks
    I got trough to the medical but there is no date for it yet. it just says i should expect hear in the next couple of days and keep checking your emails

    Where's it for ?


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    #614
    beco2010
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭beco2010


    Axelf0128 wrote: »
    Where's it for ?
    the naval service


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    #615
    alan86
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭alan86


    beco2010 wrote: »
    I got trough to the medical but there is no date for it yet. it just says i should expect hear in the next couple of days and keep checking your emails

    Ya i got an email like that yesterday and then got one saying i have a medical on the 13th today.


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    #616
    beco2010
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭beco2010


    alan86 wrote: »
    Ya i got an email like that yesterday and then got one saying i have a medical on the 13th today.
    ya i havnt got my date yet. but i got trough any way so it should come in time


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    #617
    jimbob92345
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭jimbob92345


    Got my email from cork, medical the forth of september !


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    #618
    beco2010
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭beco2010


    jimbob92345 wrote: »
    Got my email from cork, medical the forth of september !
    the 4th thats a bit away


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    #619
    jimbob92345
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭jimbob92345


    beco2010 wrote: »
    the 4th thats a bit away

    Ya it is but I'm happy it is. A month now of gym work to lose a bit of weight and get fitter !


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    #620
    beco2010
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭beco2010


    jimbob92345 wrote: »
    Ya it is but I'm happy it is. A month now of gym work to lose a bit of weight and get fitter !
    well done for getting in. best of luck any way


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    #621
    Dannylawrenson
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Dannylawrenson


    Brad Pittman wrote: »
    He is 165th then, I got the same email but Im lower then 45. I wouldn't panic yet, but who knows what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks

    I am No 5 on the reserve panel. Im dissapointed I didnt get through. Like yourself i got the mail telling me where i am on the list.
    I think there maybe a lot the have applied to both Army and Navy, really wanting the Army but keeping their options open and will jump ship if they get the army. Also you have people that may not pass the medical and those that have gotten other jobs that wont turn up for the medical. Then you those who have a past with the guards etc. Its looking like that for me to stand a chance a hell of a lot of others have to not go through for me to be called. Does anyone know what happens to us then if we dont get called. Do we stay on a panel or do we have to re apply online again and go through the whole process for the next competition?? I was even thinking of going in the Navy reserves if im unsuccessful this time.


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    #622
    Dogwatch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    Donny5 wrote: »
    The incentive to lie is that the criteria aren't always sensible, and the people you are competing against aren't going to let honesty disqualify themselves because of an asthma attack 12 years ago or LASIK. If you think it's not already the norm, you're deluding yourself.
    I have been there and worn the T shirt and didn't have delude anyone. It is essential that you can rely on the bloke next to you and that he is not going to start wheezing because the going is tough or he is unable to see the target(whatever it is) because the pressure on his eyes is affecting his vision.

    Lying to get into a military force could cost someone their life, although this is something only those who have served will understand.
    Dont encourage people to lie or be economical with the truth. It does not say much for moral standards that some here are prepared to cheat to get a place.

    Either you are good enough or you are not, at least be honest about it.

    The only assumption I will make is that you are not serving member of any military force.


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    #623
    Donny5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    The only assumption I will make is that you are not serving member of any military force.

    Your assumption is wrong, as is your post. There are many good soldiers and some bad ones who would never have entered training if they had disclosed all to a medical officer. The criteria which can earn disqualification are in many cases about thinning out numbers rather than any factual basis, as can be seen in the differences between medical standards in different services around the world, many of whom face challenges in training and operations far beyond those of the DF. You can be good enough and be disqualified by a nonsense rule on a form - to argue otherwise is to show a lack of understanding of the criteria. Anyhow, I'm done with this - each person can make up their own mind on the issue, despite the ponitification.


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    #624
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    Out of interest, what sort of 'medical issues' would be a stumbling block to joining the Defence Forces.....?


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    #625
    Mop93
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Mop93


    I believe mainly its asthma and that sort of area but im positive their are dozens more but i know for a fact they ask about that and do some extra tests if you have had asthma even if it was years ago im sure they'll be someone with more knowledge on the matter but thats all i know.

    Hope it helps.


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    #626
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    Is there a list somewhere....?


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    #627
    Mop93
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Mop93


    Not that i know of.

    If you want you can mail me and i can try help you that way is their anything in particular you are worried about.


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    #628
    newbie2022
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭newbie2022


    Hi
    Iv been called for a medical for the navy if i am succesful in medical does that mean im in sorry might be a stupid q ?


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    #629
    CIGANO
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭CIGANO


    Anyone else get an e-mail telling them to fast the night before the medical, what's the reason for that. (chest x-ray?)


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    #630
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    beco2010 wrote: »
    the navel service

    OH FFS please learn how to spell the name of the Organisation you are hoping to get a job for.

    Unless you have applied to inspect and collect bellybutton fluff. In which case I apologise, wish you well and ask are you an innie or an outie?


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    #631
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Donny5 wrote: »
    Your assumption is wrong, as is your post. There are many good soldiers and some bad ones who would never have entered training if they had disclosed all to a medical officer. The criteria which can earn disqualification are in many cases about thinning out numbers rather than any factual basis, as can be seen in the differences between medical standards in different services around the world, many of whom face challenges in training and operations far beyond those of the DF. You can be good enough and be disqualified by a nonsense rule on a form - to argue otherwise is to show a lack of understanding of the criteria. Anyhow, I'm done with this - each person can make up their own mind on the issue, despite the ponitification.


    I can't believe you are encouraging potential recruits to lie at their medical.


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