Leitrim Created in ARMA

KillianS

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?132529-Carraigdubh-County-Leitrim-A-5x5km-Geotypical-Irish-Terrain

A 5x5km map of part of Co.Leitrim which has been released alongside some IRA troops too : http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=16434

5uspect

I can see it now... ITV exposé of violent video games used by Libyans to train IRA terrorists to shoot British helicopters. Oh wait... :pac:

Sephiroth_dude

Don't play the game but that map is impressive,makes me want to play it

K.O.Kiki

Distasteful.

Shiminay

Yea, a little distasteful, but at the same time, if we're gonna see the Talliban and other terrorist organisations represented in games, then I guess we can't take too much exception.

The work looks great though, credit where it's due. I also found the Tractor mission description quite funny: SP Steal The Tractor

"You're in position Pat, so you are..."
Someone has stolen Patrick O'Brien's tractor - he knows who they are and where they're hiding and he's going to get it back so he is!

Zombrex

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Distasteful.

No more distasteful than any other army game in the history of video games.

Sephiroth_dude

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Distasteful.

Shiminay wrote: »

Yea, a little distasteful, but at the same time, if we're gonna see the Talliban and other terrorist organisations represented in games, then I guess we can't take too much exception.

The work looks great though, credit where it's due. I also found the Tractor mission description quite funny: SP Steal The Tractor

what do ye find distasteful about ?

Shiminay

Glorification of a criminal organisation of terrorists who murder innocent people seems like a less than stellar thing to be doing imho.

dreamers75

Shiminay wrote: »

Glorification of a criminal organisation of terrorists who murder innocent people seems like a less than stellar thing to be doing imho.

With that opinion it would be quite difficult to play Arma unless you pick the GI Joe Faction. They would be the only clean cut army in it and dont really exist.

Krieg

Should be pointed out that the author of the map didnt include the IRA. The IRA is from another author

Carraigdubh, County Leitrim. - A 5x5km Geotypical Irish Terrain


Carraigdubh, Co. Leitrim
A 5x5km Geotypical Microterrain


*** St Patrick's Day Special Edition - Beta v0.8 ***



Introduction & Geology

County Leitrim contains a great variety of landscapes.
High moor topped mountains in the north of the County rise above drumlin-covered lowlands, eskers and glens. Geological features shaped by glacial action are a distinctive feature.
Many areas are noted for their scenic beauty and nature conservation value. (And particularly good trout & salmon fishing!)

Leitrim, like other counties in Ireland, was subjected to total glaciation on a number of occasions. Glacial episodes have had a profound influence on the landscape, shaping the underlying geology and depositing massive volumes of drift.
Little is known about earlier glacial episodes as all traces have been erased by subsequent glaciations. In Ireland the most recent glaciation is called the Midlandian Glaciation and occurred roughly 20,000 years ago. The ice extended across Leitrim from North, North East to South, South West...





During glaciation, erosion was most severe on the higher summits and in the deeper valleys which were aligned parallel to the direction of the ice flow.
The lowlands by contrast were mantled by a thick cover of stiff, clayey till deposited during a later stage of glaciation which was moulded into the form of small hills or drumlins. These drumlins are generally oval in plan however a broad range of shapes and sizes exists.
The drumlins are orientated in the general direction of the ice flows and are a valuable indicator of glacial activity.



Since the majority of soils display significant limitations to agriculture. Combined with the nature of landform, grassland agriculture has been the dominant land use within the County.

In this synthetic landscape I've attempted to depict all these features within a small but coherent area.

He just really really likes Leitrims geography

bizmark

Bit off topic but is arma 2 and its expansion worth 25 euro ? is it fun

blatantrereg

dreamers75 wrote: »

With that opinion it would be quite difficult to play Arma unless you pick the GI Joe Faction. They would be the only clean cut army in it and dont really exist.

I'm well aware of plenty of horrific acts that are carried out by forces in that game or by their members. More often than not that is official policy, such as the use of depleted uranium rounds, or indefinite detainment of civilians without charge or reason, or even torture. None of these things are remotely ok, and in some ways they are more reprehensible than acts undertaken by the RA.

However there's a major difference. Those armed forces are agents of their nations. They officially represent their nations. When they do wrong, it is their nation doing wrong. They are one and the same. Indeed this is largely why when they do serious wrongs that it is more dispicable than an organisation such as the IRA. They've committed plenty of shcoking acts to object to. Nonetheless, it's incorrect to object to their existence per sé. At the end of the day, national armed forces are necessary, and if you have the luxury of being able to disagree with that, then it is only because you are sufficiently defended/insulated by them.

The IRA dont represent Ireland, or the Irish. They are in fact considered a criminal organisation by Ireland and by most Irish people. They're terrorists. Like pretty much every terrorist organisation, they only genuinely represent an extremist minority of the people they claim to fight for. All they represent is extremism and violence, and to put them in the same category as any national army is very very wrong.

dreamers75

blatantrereg wrote: »

I'm well aware of plenty of horrific acts that are carried out by forces in that game or by their members. More often than not that is official policy, such as the use of depleted uranium rounds, or indefinite detainment of civilians without charge or reason, or even torture. None of these things are remotely ok, and in some ways they are more reprehensible than acts undertaken by the RA.

However there's a major difference. Those armed forces are agents of their nations. They officially represent their nations. When they do wrong, it is their nation doing wrong. They are one and the same. Indeed this is largely why when they do serious wrongs that it is more dispicable than an organisation such as the IRA. They've committed plenty of shcoking acts to object to. Nonetheless, it's incorrect to object to their existence per sé. At the end of the day, national armed forces are necessary, and if you have the luxury of being able to disagree with that, then it is only because you are sufficiently defended/insulated by them.

The IRA dont represent Ireland, or the Irish. They are in fact considered a criminal organisation by Ireland and by most Irish people. They're terrorists. Like pretty much every terrorist organisation, they only genuinely represent an extremist minority of the people they claim to fight for. All they represent is extremism and violence, and to put them in the same category as any national army is very very wrong.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I think the IRA are cowardly fcukers but its a game and they a playable faction. Irish Rangers in it too with full Steyr kits. IRA do represent ireland, a certain type of irishman (usually celtic fans too )

Lad who made this map is scottish and without doubt the best map maker in Arma by a Leitrim mile. His maps are brilliant actually a lot better than BIs.

bizmark wrote: »

Bit off topic but is arma 2 and its expansion worth 25 euro ? is it fun

its a hobby more than a game, you cant pick it up and play you really need to learn how to use it. Its not really a game more MilSim with roots to videogames.


I love it one of the best games ever made.

Monotype

Are chips really that cheap in Leitrim?

cherryghost

Ah Leitrim, the Kabul of Ireland.

PogMoThoin

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Distasteful.

Oh, FFS. It's a just map of Leitrim.

It's quite easy to do too as Arma 2 terrain is based on an area in the Czech republic very similar to the landscape in rural Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdlcDQNMHJ0

Myrddin

Shiminay wrote: »

Glorification of a criminal organisation of terrorists who murder innocent people seems like a less than stellar thing to be doing imho.

Atrocities are committed by the supposed good guys too, your aware how many Iraqi civilians have been killed since 2002 right? Afghanistan nationals, Koreans, etc all the same. This isn't glorification of a criminal organisation, it's acknowledging that they exist. The IRA have done nothing that legitimate governments around the world don't do on a daily basis, people really need to open their eyes a bit wider.

As for making this post relevant, I think ARMA is a mature enough game to offer this kind of content. You won't get achievements for slaying 'Brits' as an IRA character, that would be glorification. ARMA is what I'd see as more of a simulation of warfare. If this is a problem, why is there no fuss kicked up about being able to play as Germans/Nazi's in WW2 warfare games. A regime that is responsible for literally millions of innocent lives being lost, but we're allowed glorify them coz, ya know, that's ok.

People need to cop on frankly.

Reekwind

cherryghost wrote: »

Ah Leitrim, the Kabul of Ireland.

Don't be silly, Kabul has people

K.O.Kiki

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Oh, FFS. It's a just map of Leitrim.

It's quite easy to do too as Arma 2 terrain is based on an area in the Czech republic very similar to the landscape in rural Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdlcDQNMHJ0

I didn't find the map of Leitrim distasteful (how would that even work?)

It's quite obviously someone else creating an IRA faction and marketing them.

PogMoThoin

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I didn't find the map of Leitrim distasteful (how would that even work?)

It's quite obviously someone else creating an IRA faction and marketing them.

Marketing? What marketing? Arma content is community made and completely free.

Arma 2 is also free now, it was gifted to the community last year
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/23/arma-2-free-is-free-to-download-and-play-right-now/

Azure_sky

You play as a heroic Soviet soldier in World at War. How much suffering did that regime cause again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

Researchers before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union attempting to count the number of people killed under Stalin's regime produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million.[90] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – for a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[91]
Photo from 1943 exhumation of mass grave of Polish officers killed by NKVD in Katyń Forest in 1940.

The official Soviet archival records do not contain comprehensive figures for some categories of victims, such as the those of ethnic deportations or of German population transfers in the aftermath of World War II.[92] Eric D. Weitz wrote, "By 1948, according to Nicolas Werth, the mortality rate of the 600,000 people deported from the Caucasus between 1943 and 1944 had reached 25%."[93][94] Other notable exclusions from NKVD data on repression deaths include the Katyn massacre, other killings in the newly occupied areas, and the mass shootings of Red Army personnel (deserters and so-called deserters) in 1941. The Soviets executed 158,000 soldiers for desertion during the war,[95] and the "blocking detachments" of the NKVD shot thousands more.[96] Also, the official statistics on Gulag mortality exclude deaths of prisoners taking place shortly after their release but which resulted from the harsh treatment in the camps.[97] Some historians also believe the official archival figures of the categories that were recorded by Soviet authorities to be unreliable and incomplete.[98][page needed][99] In addition to failures regarding comprehensive recordings, as one additional example, Robert Gellately and Simon Sebag-Montefiore argue the many suspects beaten and tortured to death while in "investigative custody" were likely not to have been counted amongst the executed.[23][100]

Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 4 million to nearly 10 million, not including those who died in famines.[101] Russian writer Vadim Erlikman, for example, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million – a total of about 9 million victims of repression.[102]

Some have also included deaths of 6 to 8 million people in the 1932–1933 famine as victims of Stalin's repression. This categorization is controversial however, as historians differ as to whether the famine was a deliberate part of the campaign of repression against kulaks and others,[51][103][104][105][106] or simply an unintended consequence of the struggle over forced collectivization.[67][107][108]

Accordingly, if famine victims are included, a minimum of around 10 million deaths—6 million from famine and 4 million from other causes—are attributable to the regime,[109] with a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, gulags, deportations and other causes.[110] Adding 6–8 million famine victims to Erlikman's estimates above, for example, would yield a total of between 15 and 17 million victims. Researcher Robert Conquest, meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million.[111] In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, the various terror campaigns launched by the Soviet government claimed no fewer than 15 million lives.[112] Others maintain that their earlier higher victim total estimates are correct.[113][114]

K.O.Kiki

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Marketing? What marketing? Arma content is community made and completely free.

Arma 2 is also free now, it was gifted to the community last year
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/23/arma-2-free-is-free-to-download-and-play-right-now/

My usage of the word "marketing" here means "to promote".

Yes, it is community-made, but it is promoted by the community.
Hence, "marketed".