Muamba Injury Thread

antodeco

Official update from BWFC

Bolton Wanderers can confirm that Fabrice Muamba has been admitted to the Heart Attack Centre at the London Chest Hospital where he is currently in a critically ill condition in intensive care.
No further information will be issued at this stage.
The club has requested the media to respect his family's privacy at this time.

rebel girl 15

Kristopherus wrote: »

Sky were quoting the official hospital statement.

And the hosptial statement could only give very vague details of his condition because of patient privacy laws - I know that he is a premier league footballer, but that still does not allow them to give details out without prior consent from the family

sparrowcar

Agree with some comments above, 10 mins oxygen starvation to the brain suggest if he does pull through he will never play football again.

The whole thing is sickening, I pray I wake up to some good news in the morning.

carlcon

Kristopherus wrote: »

Sky were quoting the official hospital statement.

There was no official statement until just after 9:30. Sky pulled that out of their arse long before then.

And as for the "stable can still mean critically ill" comments. If he was stable, the official statement would say so.

"Bolton Wanderers can confirm that Fabrice Muamba has been admitted to The Heart Attack Centre at The London Chest Hospital where he is in a critically ill condition in intensive care" - that was the joined official statment from both Bolton and the Hospital.

There is no mention of being stable.

Dr Galen

The medical teams at the game today were amazing. Was watching the game myself, and it was awful. Watching it, I was glad that they seemed to think there was a shockable rhythm, at least gave some hope for the lad.

All been very quiet since, obviously his family and friends are the most important people for any news. The fact that he's apparently stable is obviously a good thing, but he is far from out of the woods. Really really hope he pulls through this.

Bolton and Spurs fans today were a great example i thought.

YNWA Fabrice

My name is URL

sparrowcar wrote: »

Agree with some comments above, 10 mins oxygen starvation to the brain suggest if he does pull through he will never play football again.

The whole thing is sickening, I pray I wake up to some good news in the morning.

Ugh.. just let them do their thing. People fishing for and diving on 'updates' is what fuels premature speculation and rumour.

Kess73

A poster called leaoj sent me a pm asking for his best wishes for Fabrice Muamba to be put in this thread and also he said the below quote.

Hope he pulls through and will say a prayer for him and his family.

Keeping my fingers crossed he's ok

Dr Galen

DDC1990 wrote: »

Terrible Terrible News.

I had hoped for the best when reading that he was Breathing and Stable according to Eurosport.

10 minutes trying CPR and Defib is not good at all. According to a friend of mine who is a nurse, he'll more then likely have severe brain damage, if not worse.

I hope she is wrong, I really do.

I know there was totally no badness meant by your comments at all here but for the record, I've worked on people for much longer than this and we've gotten them back and they've been ok in the end of it all.

No point speculating really until we hear more.

Oranage2

Dr Galen wrote: »

The medical teams at the game today were amazing

Were they really?

Not blaming anyone but I read on a different website that CPR didnt start till about 20 minutes - Everybody to the cat's mother knows you check for breathing immediately with a non responsive person. There will certainly be an investigation on why it took so long.

rebel girl 15

Dr Galen wrote: »

I know there was totally no badness meant by your comments at all here but for the record, I've worked on people for much longer than this and we've gotten them back and they've been ok in the end of it all.

No point speculating really until we hear more.

I think the point you replied to was probably not phrased properly - CPR is ineffective if not commenced within seven minutes of blood flow stopping. 10 minutes without oxygen would result in severe brain damage, but in this case, CPR was commenced almost immediately, so it not necessarily the case.

I agree about not speculating until we hear more

theoneeyedman

No disrespect to the lad and.my thoughts go out to bon and all belonging to him, but to quote i think the wire ' dont tell me he is stable, if im dead im stable ' . Shocking tbh these incidents are gettin mote common, please God he'll be ok

rebel girl 15

theoneeyedman wrote: »

No disrespect to the lad and.my thoughts go out to bon and all belonging to him, but to quote i think the wire ' dont tell me he is stable, if im dead im stable ' . Shocking tbh these incidents are gettin mote common, please God he'll be ok

And the scary thought it that despite cardiac screening, some of these conditions will not be picked up on

Pacing Mule

Oranage2 wrote: »

Were they really?

Not blaming anyone but I read on a different website that CPR didnt start till about 20 minutes - Everybody to the cat's mother knows you check for breathing immediately with a non responsive person. There will certainly be an investigation on why it took so long.

CPR was started within a couple of minutes according to ESPN's commentators live at the match.

Charlie Haughy

Christ this is bringing back all the bad memories of Phil O'Donnell's death!

Will light a candle for Muamba when I go to work this morning!

lafors

sparrowcar wrote: »

Agree with some comments above, 10 mins oxygen starvation to the brain suggest if he does pull through he will never play football again.

The whole thing is sickening, I pray I wake up to some good news in the morning.

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

CPR was started within a couple of minutes according to ESPN's commentators live at the match.

Watching the match you could see they started cpr almost immediately. They didn't use the defibrillator until later possibly 7-8 mins. It looks like cpr was started so quickly there is a chance he may not have suffered oxygen starvation.
Not a Bolton fan and only knew his name but like any footie fan i really hope he pulls through

DDC1990

Dr Galen wrote: »

I know there was totally no badness meant by your comments at all here but for the record, I've worked on people for much longer than this and we've gotten them back and they've been ok in the end of it all.

No point speculating really until we hear more.

No badness meant.
As I said, im not a medical person myself, this is just quoting a friend of mine, who has many years of experience.

I am glad to hear that it is possible that he will not only pull through, but make a full recovery.

The Medical staff seemed to act immediatly, which would help a lot.

All we can do now is hope.

My name is URL

One thing I do wonder about in these situations is why the afflicted person is not immediately put into an ambulance and taken off to hospital. Having to run to and from the sideline in order to get a defibrillator or communicate with others is ridiculous when an ambulance could easily reach the scene and have the person evacuated in a fraction of the time.

Is there even access for such procedures at White Hart Lane?

carlcon

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

CPR was started within a couple of minutes according to ESPN's commentators live at the match.

There was also a cardiologist in the stadium watching the match that was allowed onto the field to assist.

From what I've seen, he got as much help as he possibly could have during a football game with literally no notice of trouble previously.

TanG411

My name is URL wrote: »

One thing I do wonder about in these situations is why the afflicted person is not immediately put into an ambulance and taken off to hospital. Having to run to and from the sideline in order to get a defibrillator or communicate with others is ridiculous when an ambulance could easily reach the scene and have the person evacuated in a fraction of the time.

Is there even access for such procedures at White Hart Lane?

They tried moving him straight away. My guess is they decided to resuscitate him straight away as they were fighting for time to save his life.

niallo27

lafors wrote: »

Watching the match you could see they started cpr almost immediately. They didn't use the defibrillator until later possibly 7-8 mins. It looks like cpr was started so quickly there is a chance he may not have suffered oxygen starvation.
Not a Bolton fan and only knew his name but like any footie fan i really hope he pulls through

Isnt the defibrillator the first thing that should have been used when a person stop breathing, CPR is not enough to get oxygen to the brain.

rebel girl 15

My name is URL wrote: »

One thing I do wonder about in these situations is why the afflicted person is not immediately put into an ambulance and taken off to hospital. Having to run to and from the sideline in order to get a defibrillator or communicate with others is ridiculous when an ambulance could easily reach the scene and have the person evacuated in a fraction of the time.

Is there even access for such procedures at White Hart Lane?

Because every second counts in these situations - faster you start CPR the better as far as the patient is concerned. Since he had to be shocked, he could not be moved in the ambulance - afaik if a patient in an ambulance has to be shocked, they have to stop the ambulance in case of the person administering the shock touches the patient accidentally.

My name is URL

ThinksAmoral wrote: »

They tried moving him straight away. My guess is they decided to resuscitate him straight away as they were fighting for time to save his life.

The ambulance still could have been better placed for when they did move him.

Reekwind

I find this genuinely shocking. Muamba has been a great player for us but more than that, he's always seemed a really sound guy and is a big part of the club off the pitch as well as on. To hear this happening to someone like him - at 23! - is just... well, shocking. I wish him all the best and hope desperately that he pulls through

Pacing Mule

My name is URL wrote: »

The ambulance still could have been better placed for when they did move him.

Would you like it parked in the centre circle for the entire match ?

Dublin_Gunner

niallo27 wrote: »

Isnt the defibrillator the first thing that should have been used when a person stop breathing, CPR is not enough to get oxygen to the brain.

Defib is for heart rhythm, only really used when someone goes into cardiac arrest (afaik).

It won't do anything for breathing, that's why CPR is used, to get oxygen into the lungs / body when the person can't do it for themselves -this is most important I think, as there's no sense defib and reviving someone if they've had no oxygen to the brain for a long period - you're basically starting a car with no driver at that stage.

rebel girl 15

niallo27 wrote: »

Isnt the defibrillator the first thing that should have been used when a person stop breathing, CPR is not enough to get oxygen to the brain.

You always start CPR first. CPR is a temporary measure to preserve intact brain function by manually pumping oxygen around the body - the purpose is to restore a partial flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. Defibrillator is used to try and shock the patient back into a normal rhythm if in a shockable rhythm present. If the patient is not in a shockable rhythm, then CPR is used on is own until such a time as the patients heart starts and they start breathing or they are declared dead.

Reekwind

Without wanting to seem like a dickhead, I'd suggest that it's inappropriate to discuss ambulance parking procedures when a young man is currently fighting for his life

Mint Sauce

Only after hearing this on the news now. Honestly not familer with the player but was in absolute shock watching the report. Really hopes he pulls through, rivaleries are put aside at times like these.

Oat23

They're all heros, who cares where the ambulance is parked, they saved the mans life. It's mad that footballers get paid 100k a week and they get about 40k a year.

The people that save lives should be on 100k a week!

My name is URL

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Would you like it parked in the centre circle for the entire match ?

No need to be insincere. I wasn't trying to sound like a wanker, I just think that the ambulance could have been dispatched onto the pitch instead of carrying the patient to it on a stretcher.

If now is an inappropriate time bring such a thing up; then let me know when it is appropriate.

Pacing Mule

My name is URL wrote: »

No need to be insincere. I wasn't trying to sound like a wanker, I just think that the ambulance could have been dispatched onto the pitch instead of carrying the patient to it on a stretcher.

If now is an inappropriate time bring such a thing up; then let me know when it is appropriate.

I'm not being insincere - frankly I think that this is the most inappropriate of times to be discussing ambulance placement. That's what pissed me off about your comments and led me to my somewhat smart arse reply.

I really don't want to get into it tbh - I just hope he is ok and all the efforts made from all the medical staff turn out successful.

rebel girl 15

Mods can take this down if they feel its inappropriate, but just for anyone reading this thread and the other one - please have a look at this video, explaining hands only CPR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk

http://handsonlycpr.org/
http://handsonlycpr.org/faqs

Two pages everyone should look at above there. American Heart Association has a 22 minute course that anyone can do at home to become more confident in CPR, because any CPR is better than no CPR in a situation like today. I've heard of stories in GAA circles, including one in a club near me where a person's life was saved because of two individuals knowing how to do CPR and the presence of a defibrillator in the club. Such a small thing can help in some cases, but sometimes everything in the world will not help.

AEDs cost about €600, courses cost very little - hopefully anyone doing the courses will never have to use their knowledge, but €300 could possibly save someones life someday.

Radharc na Sleibhte

At the risk of being eaten alive, can we maybe stop the moral high ground, i am better than you, i know more than you, back slapping, lets not speculate rubbish.

An extraordinary incident happened a seemingly perfectly fit healthy man during a game of the sport we all commonly love here. We are all hoping for the best and naturally wondering what happened and was everything that could have done, done.

At this moment in time, we are all the same here. Nobody knows more than the next, certainly based on the minimal and sketchy info there is to date and all we can do is wish and hope and pray (if thats your thing) that Fabrice makes a full and speedy recovery. The pot shots are ruining what is a genuine thread and a credit to most of the soccer members on boards.

Mars Bar

And defibrillators are SO easy to use. They may seem like scary machines coz of their long name and the power they hold but the voice tells you what to do. Just make sure any jewelery and piercings and bras are removed from the chest area.

I got my occupational first aid cert last week. I hope I never have to use it!

Daemos

Just found out when watching the highlights on ITV. Shocking stuff, sends a chill down your spine and brings tears to your eyes. I know all to well what it's like to have a friend suddenly have a heart attack. My thoughts are with him, his friends and his family.

Oranage2

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

At the risk of being eaten alive, can we maybe stop the moral high ground, i am better than you, i know more than you, back slapping, lets not speculate rubbish.

An extraordinary incident happened a seemingly perfectly fit healthy man during a game of the sport we all commonly love here. We are all hoping for the best and naturally wondering what happened and was everything that could have done, done.

At this moment in time, we are all the same here. Nobody knows more than the next, certainly based on the minimal and sketchy info there is to date and all we can do is wish and hope and pray (if thats your thing) that Fabrice makes a full and speedy recovery. The pot shots are ruining what is a genuine thread and a credit to most of the soccer members on boards.

Irony!

rebel girl 15

Mars Bar wrote: »

And defibrillators are SO easy to use. They may seem like scary machines coz of their long name and the power they hold but the voice tells you what to do. Just make sure any jewelery and piercings and bras are removed from the chest area.

I got my occupational first aid cert last week. I hope I never have to use it!

They are - they will literally talk you through the procedure to use it, and exactly where to place the pads.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Oranage2 wrote: »

Irony!

Not really but keep it up now just when the thread is returning to what it should be about.

Radharc na Sleibhte

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

They are - they will literally talk you through the procedure to use it, and exactly where to place the pads.

Bar him collapsing in the intensive care unit, could it have happened in a "better" place?

Hopefully that fact may have saved his life.

Dublin_Gunner

I really hope he makes it through - wouldn't it be some story if he managed to get back playing?

We can all hope for miracles like that.

yesno1234

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Mods can take this down if they feel its inappropriate, but just for anyone reading this thread and the other one - please have a look at this video, explaining hands only CPR

http://handsonlycpr.org/
http://handsonlycpr.org/faqs

Two pages everyone should look at above there. American Heart Association has a 22 minute course that anyone can do at home to become more confident in CPR, because any CPR is better than no CPR in a situation like today. I've heard of stories in GAA circles, including one in a club near me where a person's life was saved because of two individuals knowing how to do CPR and the presence of a defibrillator in the club. Such a small thing can help in some cases, but sometimes everything in the world will not help.

AEDs cost about €300, courses cost very little - hopefully anyone doing the courses will never have to use their knowledge, but €300 could possibly save someones life someday.

http://www.redcross.ie/home/ . Run first aid courses throughout the country and throughout the year. I'm going to do mine this summer, can imagine nothing worse than if something like this happened and I had no idea what to do.

rebel girl 15

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

Bar him collapsing in the intensive care unit, could it have happened in a "better" place?

Hopefully that fact may have saved his life.

Probably not - and the fact that the medics responded so quickly helped save him, which is why I posted about the hands only CPR, so that if it does happen to some random on the person on the street, people will have some knowledge to give the person who collapsed some sort of a chance of living

Radharc na Sleibhte

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

We can all hope for miracles like that.

Would it be a miracle?

Leiva

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Mods can take this down if they feel its inappropriate, but just for anyone reading this thread and the other one - please have a look at this video, explaining hands only CPR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk

http://handsonlycpr.org/
http://handsonlycpr.org/faqs

Two pages everyone should look at above there. American Heart Association has a 22 minute course that anyone can do at home to become more confident in CPR, because any CPR is better than no CPR in a situation like today. I've heard of stories in GAA circles, including one in a club near me where a person's life was saved because of two individuals knowing how to do CPR and the presence of a defibrillator in the club. Such a small thing can help in some cases, but sometimes everything in the world will not help.

AEDs cost about €300, courses cost very little - hopefully anyone doing the courses will never have to use their knowledge, but €300 could possibly save someones life someday.

+1000

Go into work on Tuesday or your club the weekend and suggest it to your employer or club secretary .
It could be €300 spent to save a life .
Defibrillators cost approx €2500 .

Also as mentioned the new Defribrillators practically tell the operator what to do by speech commands.

It really is just down now to educating people that the technology has moved on leaps and bounds in recent years and life's can be saved if there is a push to introduce defibrillators in public places .

skippy15

Mars Bar wrote: »

And defibrillators are SO easy to use. They may seem like scary machines coz of their long name and the power they hold but the voice tells you what to do. Just make sure any jewelery and piercings and bras are removed from the chest area.

When I done my training they told us they were American proof, eg: simple steps and dont let ya make shocks if any rhythm present.

Hope poor chap pulls through, shocking for all footballers and fans but puts everything into perspective, good to see officials managers and fans acting so appropriate fair play

Oranage2

I thought defibrillators were about €3000?

Dublin_Gunner

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Mods can take this down if they feel its inappropriate, but just for anyone reading this thread and the other one - please have a look at this video, explaining hands only CPR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk

http://handsonlycpr.org/
http://handsonlycpr.org/faqs

Two pages everyone should look at above there. American Heart Association has a 22 minute course that anyone can do at home to become more confident in CPR, because any CPR is better than no CPR in a situation like today. I've heard of stories in GAA circles, including one in a club near me where a person's life was saved because of two individuals knowing how to do CPR and the presence of a defibrillator in the club. Such a small thing can help in some cases, but sometimes everything in the world will not help.

AEDs cost about €300, courses cost very little - hopefully anyone doing the courses will never have to use their knowledge, but €300 could possibly save someones life someday.

I'm a firm believer that First Aid should be a mandatory part of the school curriculum.

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

Would it be a miracle?

Call it what you like - but getting back to playing professional sport after suffering a heart attack (I assume?) and subsequent resuscitation would qualify as miraculous in my eyes.

Leiva

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought defibrillators were about €3000?

They are but a day course for employers/employees is approx €300 .

Radharc na Sleibhte

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Call it what you like - but getting back to playing professional sport after suffering a heart attack (I assume?) and subsequent resuscitation would qualify as miraculous in my eyes.

thats sad to hear
If he lives, will he be brain damaged?
If not, could there be other problems do you think?

Oranage2

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

thats sad to hear
If he lives, will he be brain damaged?
If not, could there be other problems?

Well when no oxygen gets to the brain you get brain damage and when your heart stops then you'll have permanent heart damage.

Though you can have a heart attack and live but the chances of playing football is slim and probably stupid.