Muamba Injury Thread

steelcityblues

I'm listening tonight to parents of SADS victims in Britain, who say that Italy's cardiac screening system has saved about 90% of lives.

A lot of catching up to do in this part of Europe, by the sound of it.

Mint Sauce

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

thats sad to hear
If he lives, will he be brain damaged?
If not, could there be other problems do you think?

In terms of brain damage, impossible to say at present I'd say. CPR is all about getting oxygen to the lungs and pumped around the body through the blood, quickly and effectivly, espically to the brain and the cardiac muscle (the heart). If this was done, hopefully none will occur.


In terms of other problems, who knows. Just surviving is the important thing at this time.

dreamers75

steelcityblues wrote: »

I'm listening tonight to parents of SADS victims in Britain, who say that Italy's cardiac screening system has saved about 90% of lives.

A lot of catching up to do in this part of Europe, by the sound of it.

Assume all clubs screen players, i know St Pats do funded by the fans at Mahons request.

Every club from under 7s onwards should do it, it doesnt cost that much.

rebel girl 15

Oranage2 wrote: »

I thought defibrillators were about €3000?

they used to be quite expensive, but you can get ones for about €600 nowadays. I changed my post on it there - had a wrong cost. Most ones I've seen are about the €1000 mark.

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

thats sad to hear
If he lives, will he be brain damaged?
If not, could there be other problems do you think?

No real answer either way until he wakes up - but the fact that CPR was started so fast is a real plus in him not having brain damage. I think there was a case of a footballer who collapsed in similar circumstances and ended up having a pacemaker fitted. Its really only speculation tbh

rebel girl 15

steelcityblues wrote: »

I'm listening tonight to parents of SADS victims in Britain, who say that Italy's cardiac screening system has saved about 90% of lives.

A lot of catching up to do in this part of Europe, by the sound of it.

Screening does help - but it still won't pick up everything.

Western Europe has a reactive way of dealing with things rather than being proactive about something like this.

chelseavera

role in changing the level of medical attention available for players in this situation. Since Jose demanded a dedicated ambulance present at all matches for players, it is now possible that a game be suspended if one has taken a player to hospital and not be resumed until a replacement is found. Joses comments after the Cech/Hunt incident were of course mis-represented and to this day Dion Fanning and John Giles still present as critiscism of the NHS service. But then there's an anti-Chelsesa agenda there. So Credit where credit is due. Also credit to Spurs season tckt holder - a cardiologist who was present and forced his way past stewards to help. All these things come into play and might - just might safe this guys life. Fingers crossed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/oct/17/newsstory.sport4

argosy2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xcykZEvNIU

Rocky = Muamba

But hopefully,,,,,,,,

Jimmy Iovine

chelseavera wrote: »

role in changing the level of medical attention available for players in this situation. Since Jose demanded a dedicated ambulance present at all matches for players, it is now possible that a game be suspended if one has taken a player to hospital and not be resumed until a replacement is found. Joses comments after the Cech/Hunt incident were of course mis-represented and to this day Dion Fanning and John Giles still present as critiscism of the NHS service. But then there's an anti-Chelsesa agenda there. So Credit where credit is due. Also credit to Spurs season tckt holder - a cardiologist who was present and forced his way past stewards to help. All these things come into play and might - just might safe this guys life. Fingers crossed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/oct/17/newsstory.sport4

He was actually a cardiac physiologist (not sure of the difference, but I assume there is a difference) but he wasn't able to get there. The stewards must have stopped him.

Fair play to him for his reactions though. It's good to hear of someone who is able to help actually trying to help.

jiltloop

Don't often post in soccer forum and mostly cos of the pointless pride crap that goes on, some of which is embarressingly on display in this thread. Seriously I'm sure everyone posting means well, no need to be watching out for someone who is not being sincere enough.

Anyway back on topic, really hope he survives and makes a full recovery. I'll be thinking about him tonight and hoping for good news in the morning.

steelcityblues

Five Live have done a great job this evening with their coverage. Credit to them, too.

dreamers75

Johan Djourou ‏ @JohanDjourou


Just left the hospital to see my BRO faba love you so much man!keep fighting. everybody please pray for him he s an amazing man and friend

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JerryHandbag

Just awful....some of the faces in the crowd at WHL say it all, and then you see Van De Vaart and Tuncay praying...you don't ever expect to see this at a football match.

Praying for the guy.

the realpigiron

Fingers crossed that Muamba will recover and pull through.

kevohmsford

I was shocked this evening when I heard the news. My thoughts are with Fabrice Muamba and his family now. Hopefully we hear better news soon.

Only came across this story now.

The state of some of the posts on page 1.

Hope he's ok

markesmith

Hope he pulls through

delw

Don't know what to say too be honest,shocked,my thoughts are with Muamba & his family/club.

patrickc

please god he'll be ok

Paully D

Had a great night out tonight but I've come home to read this. Absolutely gutted, really, really hope he pulls through. This sort of thing puts the ''problems'' I have into significance.

Please God he'll pull through!

Paul Tergat

Paully D wrote: »

Had a great night out tonight but I've come home to read this. Absolutely gutted, really, really hope he pulls through. This sort of thing puts the ''problems'' I have into significance.

Please God he'll pull through!

I came home and wanted to post exactly this

Hope he pulls through

Crann na Beatha

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Diabhal Beag

Aquila wrote: »

irish

My thoughts are with Muamba and his family. Really hoping he can make a recovery.

Nailz

Saddened by this, awful thing to happen to anybody, let alone a young man like himself. Can only hope Fabrice pulls through.

Best wishes.

Zak Flaps

Fabrice, we're all routing for you. Hope you pull through.

amacachi

Never been so glad to have not been watching a match live.



Get up and get back to training soon.

Yakult

Wishing him all the best in he's recovery. Terrible thing to happen and so young!

mayordenis

You get used to staying up waiting for some news for insignificant things, but tonight you just want so much to see something positive on bbc or bwfc.co.uk, it's not possible for me to even comprehend what his family and friends are going through, can only hope and hope that tomorrow or the day after that Fabrice wakes up ok.

amacachi

mayordenis wrote: »

You get used to staying up waiting for some news for insignificant things, but tonight you just want so much to see something positive on bbc or bwfc.co.uk, it's not possible for me to even comprehend what his family and friends are going through, can only hope and hope that tomorrow or the day after that Fabrice wakes up ok.

I wasn't watching the match but this reminds me of watching the last IndyCar race last year when Dan Wheldon died. I'd seen "worse" crashes by just about any metric but it was one of those when ya knew something had gone horribly wrong and waited a coupla hours for the news and saw a mate of his who was a pundit on Sky breaking down when it came through. These situations in football generally go to one of two scripts with a short time limit on one of them.


Get up ffs.

El Inho

Just in and saw some comments of bad news. I well and truly hope these are not true.

God bless muamba and please let the man be ok. There are no shirt colours involved here. The football community as a whole wishes and hopes he pulls through.
Again

God bless

cournioni

Absolutely awful. I hope the guy pulls through. Things like this shouldn't happen to young and fit people, I hope he's fighting it with everything he has.

Fair play to everyone at the game, everyone handled situation impeccably from the paramedics to the fans. Very sad situation.

BOHtox

Paully D wrote: »

Had a great night out tonight but I've come home to read this. Absolutely gutted, really, really hope he pulls through. This sort of thing puts the ''problems'' I have into significance.

Please God he'll pull through!

I presume you mean insignificance?


Sky were reporting earlier that he was in a "stable condition" but now he still seems to be "fighting for his life" on some websites etc.

Man I really hope he can pull through. If he's as tough in hospital as he is on the pitch, he'll fight a great battle and all the way. Fingers crossed*

amacachi

BOHtox wrote: »

Sky were reporting earlier that he was in a "stable condition" but now he still seems to be "fighting for his life" on some websites etc.

Hopefully this isn't seen as inappropriate but with what seems to have happened both of those things tend to be true.

tolosenc

amacachi wrote: »

Hopefully this isn't seen as inappropriate but with what seems to have happened both of those things tend to be true.

Well, stable just means not deteriorating. He's in a bad, life-threatening condition, but hasn't deteriorated is how I'd interpret those reports.

Not a doctor, so I could be completely wrong.

Get well soon Fabrice.

How is it that in the year 2012, 9 years after Marc Vivien Foe died on the field, that there has been no discovery whatsoever as to why this is happening to sportsmen? In over 120 or so years of the game beforehand, there was no such occurences (or at least to the best of my knowledge) of players collapsing on the field.

amacachi

tolosenc wrote: »

Well, stable just means not deteriorating. He's in a bad, life-threatening condition, but hasn't deteriorated is how I'd interpret those reports.

Not a doctor, so I could be completely wrong.

Kinda(ish) what I was getting at but this isn't the time or place for it tbh.

dfx-

Deleted User wrote: »

Get well soon Fabrice.

How is it that in the year 2012, 9 years after Marc Vivien Foe died on the field, that there has been no discovery whatsoever as to why this is happening to sportsmen? In over 120 or so years of the game beforehand, there was no such occurences (or at least to the best of my knowledge) of players collapsing on the field.

And is it happening in football moreso than anywhere else? I know football is more widespread, is it something specific to the training...

amacachi

dfx- wrote: »

And is it happening in football moreso than anywhere else? I know football is more widespread, is it something specific to the training...

The heart is a funny thing. If one's family has a history of heart disease then a unit of alcohol 5 days a week reduces one's chance of heart disease, heavy drinking massively increases it. If there's no history then any alcohol increases the risk.

Plenty of us reading this thread have something wrong with our heart that we'll never find out about until we're already dying of something else.
It's not a soccer-specific thing, it happens in all sports where people who if they'd stayed on the sofa they'd be fine but they're pushing themselves to the absolute limit and that little thing shows itself in front of everyone.

dfx-

I appreciate that and there is plenty of sports and training where the effort is strenuous...

...but you don't see them collapse mid-competition as frequently as it appears to footballers in the recent past. Mid-marathon, mid-athletic event, mid-rugby, mid-Cricket pitch, mid-winter sport, mid-motor race.

skelliser

we dont know the full details of what happened, could have had a heart condition that went unnoticed until today.

save to say that the defibrillator saved his life.

I did an occupational first aid course in work before, great course, teach cpr and how to use a defibrillator. If anyone here gets the chance you should do a first aid course.

If you can use one within 10 minutes of someone having a heart attack they have a 70% chance of surviving.

hefferboi

There was a documentary about collapses on the pitch in football a few years ago. It was on tv3 or tg4 i'm not too sure! Very interesting if anyone can find it?

#PrayForMuamba

PDN

dfx- wrote: »

I appreciate that and there is plenty of sports and training where the effort is strenuous...

...but you don't see them collapse mid-competition as frequently as it appears to footballers in the recent past. Mid-marathon, mid-athletic event, mid-rugby, mid-Cricket pitch, mid-winter sport, mid-motor race.

When you look at the numbers of participants in each of those sports, then statistically we should expect more soccer players to die.

Sadly it does happen in other sports, although more often in training than actual competition (again hardly surprising when you think of the respective time per week spend in training as opposed to actual competition). http://www.independent.ie/national-news/tributes-paid-as-rising-gaa-star-20-collapses-and-dies-during-training-2996533.html

A study of triathalon racers in the US revealed that 14 died during actual events of heart failure during a 3 year period. Two died in one single event (the New York Triathalon of 2011).

It is certainly an issue in American football, again probably because of the higher number of participants. Between 1960 and 2003, 101 players at all levels (including schoolboys) died of heatstroke. Only one NFL player has died on the field of play of a heart attack (Chuck Hughes of the Detroit Lions in 1972). In 2005 Thomas Herrion of the SF 49ers collapsed and died in the locker room just minutes after the end of a match.

The sad fact is that competitive sport is won, not only by pushing your body to its limits, but sometimes beyond its limits - something that is commemorated in the very name of the marathon race. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheidippides

The Davestator

PDN wrote: »

When you look at the numbers of participants in each of those sports, then statistically we should expect more soccer players to die.

Sadly it does happen in other sports, although more often in training than actual competition (again hardly surprising when you think of the respective time per week spend in training as opposed to actual competition). http://www.independent.ie/national-news/tributes-paid-as-rising-gaa-star-20-collapses-and-dies-during-training-2996533.html

A study of triathalon racers in the US revealed that 14 died during actual events of heart failure during a 3 year period. Two died in one single event (the New York Triathalon of 2011).

It is certainly an issue in American football, again probably because of the higher number of participants. Between 1960 and 2003, 101 players at all levels (including schoolboys) died of heatstroke. Only one NFL player has died on the field of play of a heart attack (Chuck Hughes of the Detroit Lions in 1972). In 2005 Thomas Herrion of the SF 49ers collapsed and died in the locker room just minutes after the end of a match.

The sad fact is that competitive sport is won, not only by pushing your body to its limits, but sometimes beyond its limits - something that is commemorated in the very name of the marathon race. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheidippides

Really well written and informative post. - cheers

Radharc na Sleibhte

Exactly what i was saying about people being allowed give an opinion.
Brilliant educational stuff and links.

This week, im signing up for a first aid course, and im seriously considering maybe trying to do something to raise funds for a defibrillator here.

Mars Bar

KKKitty wants to say

I sincerely hope there is a happy outcome in all this and as a previous poster in said thread posted about the wages that footballers receive I wish to say that no matter what they get paid it's little compensation for them or their families if things go horribly wrong. If he has to quit football at his age due to this how will he take it. Please god he makes a full recovery. Another thing well done on getting that cert and just remember you could save a life due to it.

Pacing Mule

Hospital statement confirms cardiac arrest, remains in critical condition.

antodeco

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Hospital statement confirms cardiac arrest, remains in critical condition.

Source?

Frank Spencer

antodeco wrote: »

Source?

http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/General/0,,1004~2664163,00.html

Pacing Mule

antodeco wrote: »

Source?

Was a joint statment on behalf of the club and the hospital.

Fabrice Muamba remains in a critical condition in intensive care in the Heart Attack Centre at The London Chest Hospital.

Fabrice was admitted to the hospital yesterday evening after collapsing at White Hart Lane, where he sustained a cardiac arrest during the FA Cup quarter-final against Tottenham Hotspur.

Fabrice received prolonged resuscitation at the ground and on route to The London Chest Hospital, where his heart eventually started working.

As is normal medical practice, Fabrice remains anaesthetised in intensive care and will be for at least 24 hours.

His condition continues to be closely monitored by the cardiac specialists at the hospital.

antodeco

For those on mobiles:

Fabrice Muamba UpdateSunday 18 March, 2012
Fabrice Muamba remains in a critical condition in intensive care in the Heart Attack Centre at The London Chest Hospital.
Fabrice was admitted to the hospital yesterday evening after collapsing at White Hart Lane, where he sustained a cardiac arrest during the FA Cup quarter-final against Tottenham Hotspur.
Fabrice received prolonged resuscitation at the ground and on route to The London Chest Hospital, where his heart eventually started working.
As is normal medical practice, Fabrice remains anaesthetised in intensive care and will be for at least 24 hours.
His condition continues to be closely monitored by the cardiac specialists at the hospital.
Bolton Wanderers Manager Owen Coyle said: "Fabrice's family have asked me to pass on their thanks for the many, many kind messages of support from not only Bolton fans but also fans from clubs across the country and abroad.
"All our thoughts and prayers are for Fabrice and his family. The family would also like to thank the media for respecting their privacy at this time."
No further updates are planned at this time.

Gringo180

Lads I dont know if its been said already but I will never ever buy a newspaper again after them showing pics of Muamba on the ground, the print media are absolute scum of the earth makes me so so angry :mad: