Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

scudzilla

So what's everyone's views on Scholes for next season? I reckon keep him on but don't play him till late Dec/Early January, no reason why we can't get another quality season outta the guy that way

Kylo Ren

scudzilla wrote: »

So what's everyone's views on Scholes for next season? I reckon keep him on but don't play him till late Dec/Early January, no reason why we can't get another quality season outta the guy that way

I think we should cryogenically freeze him until we find the cure for old age.

G.K.

Play him in the CL Group stage, but no EPL till 2nd half of season.

TheTownie

Keno 92 wrote: »

I think we should cryogenically freeze him until we find the cure for old age.

A bit harsh on his family me thinks. Probably easier and quicker to wait for his oldest kid to come of age.

Kylo Ren

TheTownie wrote: »

A bit harsh on his family me thinks. Probably easier and quicker to wait for his oldest kid to come of age.

Ah sure just freeze them too.

TheTownie

Keno 92 wrote: »

Ah sure just freeze them too.

Collateral damage

Samich

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Copper pipes bank holiday giggle:

The Titanic cost £200m. So did Liverpool's current side. One is a sinking ship.....The other was the Titanic.

And for those of you who dont recall the last bank holiday here is a link http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77672970#post77672970

The Titanic cost $7.5m

Eathrin

Samich wrote: »

The Titanic cost $7.5m

Even with that kind of money Dalglish couldn't buy success.

Vic Vinegar

Samich wrote: »

The Titanic cost $7.5m

It's probably adjusted for inflation! you'd only get a decent yacht for that price these days.

Son Of A Vidic

KevLeppard wrote: »

Agreed, defo prefer Hernandez as first choice striker, along side Rooney.

+1, Welbeck has had some bad misses recently which worries me. Link up play is great, but his primary role is to put the ball in the net. So his recent allergy to scoring goals is worrying, but he's young and hopefully he will work on and improve clinical finishing for next season.

Red Crow

zerks wrote: »

Strootman is completely different to De Jong,he doesn't just sit deep,tackle then pass the ball 5 yards.He covers the whole pitch,a bit like Keano did in his prime and at only 21 he's the type of player United are targeting.

He is a tragedy in defence and is a lazy sod. Obviously, is good on the ball but is one footed and just doesn't seem very astute at the moment. He has done well and probably over-achieved with the hype on him currently but he will end up a good player.

I think if we should be looking at hitting a deal for Kagawa or Gotze. Especially considering Kagawa is stalling on a new deal, at least up to last week he was and Gotze has been in and out of the team with injuries. Granted Gotze will probably end up staying at Dortmund, I think Kagawa may be interested in a move. A move like that allows Rooney to move up the pitch further and provides us with a quality attacking midfielder.

I don't think we need to be nurturing a player like Strootman. I think a quality addition is what's needed.

Nalz

more Liverpool/Dalglish jokes and comments, really lads?

Samich

Trilla wrote: »

more Liverpool/Dalglish jokes and comments, really lads?

It's still funny tbf :pac:

I also think fergie will go out to buy a great midfielder this summer, probably around the 10-15 million mark. Can't see him splashing huge amounts of cash.

Martinez is top of the list I think, Fergie has faced him and been outclassed by his side this season and I'm sure some of the Utd players have talked about some of the Atletico players. Remember the Ronaldo signing? Someone bookmark this post for when he signs

Liam O

Samich wrote: »

I also think fergie will go out to buy a great midfielder this summer, probably around the 10-15 million mark. Can't see him splashing huge amounts of cash.

Martinez is top of the list I think, Fergie has faced him and been outclassed by his side this season and I'm sure some of the Utd players have talked about some of the Atletico players. Remember the Ronaldo signing? Someone bookmark this post for when he signs

Does not compute...

killwill

Samich wrote: »

It's still funny tbf :pac:

I also think fergie will go out to buy a great midfielder this summer, probably around the 10-15 million mark. Can't see him splashing huge amounts of cash.

Martinez is top of the list I think, Fergie has faced him and been outclassed by his side this season and I'm sure some of the Utd players have talked about some of the Atletico players. Remember the Ronaldo signing? Someone bookmark this post for when he signs

And you think Martinez can be got for 10-15 mill?

Corvo

There would be more than United after Martinez should he become available. Likely he would stay in Spain too if given the chance (no proof of that just a guess!)

Price would be around the £20m mark.

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Griffin1988 wrote: »

There would be more than United after Martinez should he become available. Likely he would stay in Spain too if given the chance (no proof of that just a guess!)

Price would be around the £20m mark.

More around the £30m - £40m I'd say, tbh.

Quandary

Griffin1988 wrote: »

There would be more than United after Martinez should he become available. Likely he would stay in Spain too if given the chance (no proof of that just a guess!)

Price would be around the £20m mark.

He could possibly sign for one of the big 2 in Spain for that price; should he however decide to move to another league in Europe it will be for a fee much closer to or possibly in excess of £30m IMO.

He's very hot property at the moment and he's on a lot of radars too I would imagine.

I would love to see Utd sign him but would be very surprised to see it happen.

Nowadays for Utd to sign players of that quality we have to snap them up before they start to blossom.

DM_7

Today I was told that because United get more decisions in their favour than any other club - its causing non United fans to turn away from Football! It wasn't the bad decisions but the fact United get them that was turning non United fans away from the game.

I laughed and said if anyone really thinks United get more than every other club they should open their eyes and look at more football. United have a big profile, get headlines so some people would think united get more decisions but in reality all clubs get bad decisions for and against them.

The reply was I would say that as i'm a united fan but its a fact United get more decisions than anyone else.

A fact!

Quandary

DM-ICE wrote: »

Today I was told that because United get more decisions in their favour than any other club - its causing non United fans to turn away from Football! It wasn't the bad decisions but the fact United get them that was turning non United fans away from the game.

I laughed and said if anyone really thinks United get more than every other club they should open their eyes and look at more football. United have a big profile, get headlines so some people would think united get more decisions but in reality all clubs get bad decisions for and against them.

The reply was I would say that as i'm a united fan but its a fact United get more decisions than anyone else.

A fact!

You sure it wasn't a fhact?

Copper_pipe

I wonder is there a chance of seeing le pog tonight

MagicMarker

Copper_pipe wrote: »

I wonder is there a chance of seeing le pog tonight

Considering there's no match tonight, I'd say the odds aren't good.

kryogen

Quandary wrote: »

He could possibly sign for one of the big 2 in Spain for that price; should he however decide to move to another league in Europe it will be for a fee much closer to or possibly in excess of £30m IMO.

He's very hot property at the moment and he's on a lot of radars too I would imagine.

I would love to see Utd sign him but would be very surprised to see it happen.

Nowadays for Utd to sign players of that quality we have to snap them up before they start to blossom.

And this is what will wind me up when he does toddle off somewhere else, he has been talked about here for at least 2 probably 3 years now, not with such regularity as he is these days of course, but his name has been popping up for some time, and you can be sure that if posters here were aware of him then the scouts at United were bloody aware of him too!

Of course he may not have wanted to leave at a younger age, may not want to leave now I guess..

Corvo

Quandary wrote: »

He could possibly sign for one of the big 2 in Spain for that price; should he however decide to move to another league in Europe it will be for a fee much closer to or possibly in excess of £30m IMO.

He's very hot property at the moment and he's on a lot of radars too I would imagine.

I would love to see Utd sign him but would be very surprised to see it happen.

Nowadays for Utd to sign players of that quality we have to snap them up before they start to blossom.

His price will increase with the likely hood of him being involved with the Spanish National team pretty soon. A few caps always drives up the fee.

I disagree with your point about his price being higher to see abroad. Surely it would be higher for him to go to one of the Big Two no? Im sure they would rather sell abroad surely?

Either way, I cant see it happening. Fergie seems to be pulling out of the market with regards large sums of money buys (Sneijder maybe, though we obviously came up short somewhere in that deal). Cant see us going above £20m with any of our targets.

DB21

Was looking through the daily transfer muppetry, and apparently we're in for some keeper for £3m. WTF??? Has to be a joke >_>

Corvo

DB21 wrote: »

Was looking through the daily transfer muppetry, and apparently we're in for some keeper for £3m. WTF??? Has to be a joke >_>

Surely a youngster? Would'nt know with Fergie and GK's...look at Zieler.

Copper_pipe

MagicMarker wrote: »

Considering there's no match tonight, I'd say the odds aren't good.

Please ignore that bit

Blatter

If Javi Martinez was available, and available at a reasonable price, he'd be long gone by now. Long gone.

But he's not so that's obviously not the case.

bullvine

Surely Mata and Silva were both more highly rated than Martinez, and they both only signed for the 25-26million bracket.

Blatter

Different situation tbh. Valencia were in dire straits financially, they had to sell and everyone knew.

bullvine

that could be the case but even with Santi Cazorla, he went to malaga for only 15mill or something and hes very highly rated as well, hes a little older but still seems a great deal for someone like that

Kylo Ren

bullvine wrote: »

that could be the case but even with Santi Cazorla, he went to malaga for only 15mill or something and hes very highly rated as well, hes a little older but still seems a great deal for someone like that

United also have to pay the United tax on each player.

bullvine

Aye, the United Tax, think Park was the only deal when we didnt pay that!

Fuhrer

bullvine wrote: »

Aye, the United Tax, think Park was the only deal when we didnt pay that!

Hernandez

Al Capwned

DB21 wrote: »

Was looking through the daily transfer muppetry, and apparently we're in for some keeper for £3m. WTF??? Has to be a joke >_>

Yeah saw this on manutd.com earlier. Birmingham City's Jack Butland. Represented England all the way up to U21, but has no senior appearances for Birmingham.

Read here

Red Crow

So these are our remaining games:

11/4 - Wigan (A)
15/4 - Aston Villa (H)
22/4 - Everton (H)
30/4 - Man City (A)
6/5 - Swansea (H)
13/5 - Sunderland (H)

We need 11 points to be assured of victory assuming City win all their games.

Still some tricky games ahead folks. Wigan were robbed at Chelsea and should of won and Everton have won 3 out of their last 4. Aston Villa and City are in similar form while Swansea and Sunderland have stagnated after a recent good spell of form.

City have:
11/4 - West Brom (H)
14/4 - Norwich (A)
22/4 - Wolves (A)
30/4 - Man Utd (H)
6/5 - Newcastle (A)
13/5 - QPR (H)

I'd at least expect them to drop 4 points in that period.

The title certainly isn't over, particularly if we slip up at Wigan tomorrow the players could get a bit nervous. But I fully expect Sir Alex to not let any complacency set in. Personally, I can see us being fairly ruthless on Wednesday. City are at their lowest point of the season. The fans are questioning Mancini and his decision to baby Balotelli and bring back cult zero Tevez.

The season won't be complete, for me, without a victory over City in the league. Clinching the title in the council grounds would be hilarious.

Red Crow

Adryan Tavares apparently said he snubbed up this year. We were linked with him in early Feb.

Anybody know how Gladstony is doing at Twente?

Blatter

bullvine wrote: »

that could be the case but even with Santi Cazorla, he went to malaga for only 15mill or something and hes very highly rated as well, hes a little older but still seems a great deal for someone like that

Oh, the value in Spain is much better than England for sure. If Javi Martinez was English you'd be talking around £50m :pac:

It's such a pity Wilshere seems so loyal to Arsenal, he would be PERFECT for us.

counterlock

Eli Manning wrote: »

So these are our remaining games:

11/4 - Wigan (A)
15/4 - Aston Villa (H)
22/4 - Everton (H)
30/4 - Man City (A)
6/5 - Swansea (H)
13/5 - Sunderland (A)

One correction. I can't see us dropping too many points and City away to Norwich has a draw written all over it

homerjay2005

bullvine wrote: »

that could be the case but even with Santi Cazorla, he went to malaga for only 15mill or something and hes very highly rated as well, hes a little older but still seems a great deal for someone like that

ah ya, but didnt he have a clause in his contract?

ill get my coat:o

Blatter

counterlock wrote: »

One correction. I can't see us dropping too many points and City away to Norwich has a draw written all over it

I sense West Brom will come close to taking something off them tomorrow as well.

AFAIK, they have the third or fourth best away record in the division, are just off the back of a 3-0 win and the City players have hit a brick wall. Sunderland getting a result at the Etihad last week should give them belief as well.

City will probably still win but it won't be straightforward imo.

bullvine

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ah ya, but didnt he have a clause in his contract?

ill get my coat:o

Wonderful!

Quandary

Griffin1988 wrote: »

His price will increase with the likely hood of him being involved with the Spanish National team pretty soon. A few caps always drives up the fee.

I disagree with your point about his price being higher to see abroad. Surely it would be higher for him to go to one of the Big Two no? Im sure they would rather sell abroad surely?

Either way, I cant see it happening. Fergie seems to be pulling out of the market with regards large sums of money buys (Sneijder maybe, though we obviously came up short somewhere in that deal). Cant see us going above £20m with any of our targets.

Whether we want to admit it or not, right now in the world of football Real or Barca are the preferred destination clubs for most european players. IMO, for that reason, a club is more likely to lose a star youngster to them for a lower price because players will push extra hard for the move to happen. The player gets unsettled otherwise and causes a headache for the club. In the long run, if Barca or Real want a player and th player wants the move, then it's going to happen.

Ronaldo was an exception of course, but then he was and still is regarded by many as one of the best 2 players in the world and was always going to go for huge money anyway.

If we look at Fabregas for example. He desperately wanted the move to Barca. Arsenal did everything in their power to keep him but in the end got the move he wanted. Barca ended up paying £29m (iirc). for a young player of his quality that was pittance IMO.

homerjay2005

Mitch,

any idea who is leading the way for POTY so far based on average ratings or is that not so easy to see without a bit of work?

i dont vote as much as i like, mainly as its normally the following day after games that im online and by then people are normally talking about something else.

Nalz

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Surely a youngster? Would'nt know with Fergie and GK's...look at Zieler.

_blank_

^^2 for 1 bargain that was.

MagicMarker

How do we think we'll line out tomorrow?

While I realise it's 2 game in 4 days, I really hope we leave the squad rotation for the villa game. I'd like us to start with the same line up as Sunday, except Hernandez in for Welbeck...

De Gea
Raf Rio Evans Evra
Valencia Carrick Scoles Young
Chico Rooney

...with the plan being get the game wrapped up by the 60th minute!! Then give Cleverley & Nani a run out, maybe Pogba too if things go swimmingly...

Then I'd hope Smalling, Cleverley & Nani to start against Villa, but I think Fergie will stick with experience for the rest of the season meaning Carrick starting alongside either Giggs or Scholes with Cleverley only coming off the bench.

Nalz

Be nice if we could rest Rio, Scholes and the likes.

I've a feeling Smalling will start, and maybe Giggs.

The_Kew_Tour

I expect the away fans to be in great voice once again tomorrow night. Whole stand to themselves, love to be going:(

Eathrin

What's the situation with Nani atm?