What would you do with Tim Tebow?

eagle eye

In all fairness the lad took over a team that looked like it was going to challenge for the no.1 pick in the draft. They get to the playoffs and then this happens. I really do think he has been harshly treated here, and Alex Smith too although he is a free agent which makes it a bit different.

spiralism

eagle eye wrote: »

In all fairness the lad took over a team that looked like it was going to challenge for the no.1 pick in the draft. They get to the playoffs and then this happens. I really do think he has been harshly treated here, and Alex Smith too although he is a free agent which makes it a bit different.

I'd have to agree tbh, though evidence suggests that our front office is also doing an excellent job to turn us around this quickly. Were it not for Tebow though none of this could have happened, i daresay Manning wouldnt have looked sideways at us if we were 6-10.

If Tebow ends up with a solid team and decent coaching situation he'll be fine. Him possibly going to the Jets is intriguing, probable QB controversy with Sanchito and if he does get hold of the starting job down the line he has a defence to keep the scores down, an excellent offensive line and run game and a coach that has no problem going with the unorthodox to say the least. Would make for some viewing.

LuckyLloyd

Please god no, we don't want or need Tebow Mania thank you very much. We've got a two year window with a half decent roster and Sanchez will get that time to try and become an above average NFL QB. If he doesn't do it, we cut him in March 2014 and engage in a complete rebuilding project.

Denver will offload Tebow in some way, shape or form. This is their chance to do it, and Elway is too smart to pass on the opportunity.

Tebow is shaping up to be a terrible backup the rest of his career. He requires a custom tailored offensive package, can't make all the throws to aid defensive preperation, and will have the fans screaming for him to be put in whenever there are two losses in a row. Right now the only spot that makes some sense backup wise would be Philadelphia as he could probably come in and run the same packages as Vick / Young. The Patriots would probably find innovative ways to utilise his skilset without any intention of him being groomed to start at QB, so that could work too.

But for me, he needs to go somewhere he can start for better or worse. It's the lolphins or Los Jaguars so, and I think Los Jaguars don't give a damn about winning if they can sell the stadium out, and Tebow can offer that at the very least - so I reckon he'll end up there.

He's probably worth a 4th round pick.

mooonpie

Syferus wrote: »

Broncos will get something for him, he's a young, hugely popular, character guy with exceptional intangibles. Play him correctly and let him grow and you've got yourself the makings of a franchise QB.<snip>

Syferus wrote: »

The Broncos ARE actively trading him. And he's going to be starting come week one.

Anyone who thinks different is letting their personal opinions of Tebow cloud their judgement.

Syferus wrote: »

No chance of Tebow playing for a team trying to use him as anything but a real QB, he's certainly earned that respect this past year.

You seem to be missing the point that in order to "play him correctly", the entire offence needs to be overhauled - this is going to take time. Broncos got away it last year because of the turnover of personnel (players and coaches) the last few years - they had no established offence. Also Tebow had been there for a year prior, so the personnel that were there understood his strengths!

No team in the league runs that offence at the moment so it's not simply a case of having the right personnel, it means re-training them to a different scheme.

Yes - Tebow showed last year he can perform and lift a team given the right situation. But this seems to be a situation few teams are willing to provide.

I see 2 scenarios if he moves:

1. He's a starter:
   The new team overhauls their offence and adapts to Tebow and they have a few learning issues (cue statements like "these things take time") but ultimately all goes well ... Or the personnel don't adapt and he flops.
   In this scenario there are worries:
   • What happens if Tebow gets injured? Is there a backup QB that can run the same offence? How many reps will he need to get up to speed? Will he get these behind Tebow?
   • What happens when Tebow leaves/retires? The team go through the same overhaul and rebuilding process, this time without Tebow as a seat filling attraction?
2. He's a backup/package/project player:
   The new team continues with their established offence and uses Tebow in situational packages. In the mean time Tebow uses practice reps to improve his fundamentals.
   • He still gets occasional impact plays. The crowd go nuts when he appears.
   • Due to his improved passing game, he gets an opportunity here, or somewhere else, to lead a more conventional offence - with a Tebow twist.

If he stays he falls into scenario 2 above also.

Syferus

moonpie9588 wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point that in order to "play him correctly", the entire offence needs to be overhauled - this is going to take time. Broncos got away it last year because of the turnover of personnel (players and coaches) the last few years - they had no established offence. Also Tebow had been there for a year prior, so the personnel that were there understood his strengths!

No team in the league runs that offence at the moment so it's not simply a case of having the right personnel, it means re-training them to a different scheme.

Yes - Tebow showed last year he can perform and lift a team given the right situation. But this seems to be a situation few teams are willing to provide.

I see 2 scenarios if he moves:

1. He's a starter:
   The new team overhauls their offence and adapts to Tebow and they have a few learning issues (cue statements like "these things take time") but ultimately all goes well ... Or the personnel don't adapt and he flops.
   In this scenario there are worries:
   • What happens if Tebow gets injured? Is there a backup QB that can run the same offence? How many reps will he need to get up to speed? Will he get these behind Tebow?
   • What happens when Tebow leaves/retires? The team go through the same overhaul and rebuilding process, this time without Tebow as a seat filling attraction?
2. He's a backup/package/project player:
   The new team continues with their established offence and uses Tebow in situational packages. In the mean time Tebow uses practice reps to improve his fundamentals.
   • He still gets occasional impact plays. The crowd go nuts when he appears.
   • Due to his improved passing game, he gets an opportunity here, or somewhere else, to lead a more conventional offence - with a Tebow twist.

If he stays he falls into scenario 2 above also.

There's a strawman in alot of these arguments against him. If Tebow is - and I fully believe he will be - starting in the league in five years time he will be far more of a passer so worrying about what to do after he's gone is moot. The worry about having a back-up in the short term is easy enough, too, draft a Joe Webb in the late rounds of the draft or get a Garrard or a Young.

The whole 'oh you're screwed if he gets injured' argument is over-blown as well. Teams can walk and chew gum at the same time - look at the Broncos transitioning mid-season from Orton to Tebow. The personnel were chosen for Orton and for a strong run game, that was the Broncos established - and conventional - offense going into the season. You could have a pure passer as a back-up and it could still work well if you've got good coaching. If you don't have good coaching you're screwed anyways.

mooonpie

We're not talking about 5 years time, we're talking about now. And I don't see a team that is willing to take the risk for 5 years time knowing they have to overhaul everything in the mean time.

Using Broncos sort of proves my point, they were in a state of transition anyway. They had played Tebow in a few games the year before, the personnel understood his strengths and weaknesses. Dolphins and Jags seem to be 2 teams that could make that transition without losing ground in their division, but after that I don't see a huge want for Tebow from teams in the league.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Tebow as an established starter in 5 years time, but I think he's gonna need consistent coaching and surrounding for a few of those 5 years to make it. I just see too many obstacles for most teams to take that risk now.

The guys on NFL Network made a good point last night, there's a big element of Not In My Back Yard with Tebow - we're all fascinated by him and everyone loves having him in the league, just not with our club!

TimThomas

moonpie9588 wrote: »

The guys on NFL Network made a good point last night, there's a big element of Not In My Back Yard with Tebow - we're all fascinated by him and everyone loves having him in the league, just not with our club!

And that is the problem he is faced with for sure. The Fish already said no and reading some of the pundits comments many believe the Jags are 50/50 over him also. The Jags are his last shot to start everyone else will either work on him or use him as a non starter for situational plays and hope he grows in the coming years.

Chucky the tree

The big problem with the Jags his the GM and headcoach don't want him. It's only the owner who is interested. This obviously brings up some pretty big issues as the owner will firstly have to over-rule his GM and second over-rule his HC and demand he starts Tebow, that's a pretty terrible way to run a franchise.

TimThomas

Syferus wrote: »

I see you're trying the 'let's be needlessly aggressive' approach, or, rather, the Rex Grossman method.

Oh yeah Im being aggressive. Punching my PC here also and screaming at it. Love it when people use the aggresive tags or calm down tags or relax bro stuff. Everyone on the internet is a psychiatrist apparently. :rolleyes:

davyjose wrote: »

7 pages in a few hours suggest a few people give a fook.

Your definition and my definition of a "few" are completely different. Try 8 pages in 43 hours. And not every post is about people caring about him only giving an opinion on where they think he will go. I gave my opinion on it doesnt mean I give fook about him.

TimThomas

eagle eye wrote: »

In all fairness the lad took over a team that looked like it was going to challenge for the no.1 pick in the draft. They get to the playoffs and then this happens. I really do think he has been harshly treated here, and Alex Smith too although he is a free agent which makes it a bit different.

Football is business and peoples feelings get hurt and these players know their feelings mean fúck all to these teams.

eagle eye

TimThomas wrote: »

Football is business and peoples feelings get hurt and these players know their feelings mean fúck all to these teams.

Who is talking about feelings? I'm talking a player coming into a team that looked like it was heading for its worst season in nearly 30 years and had just come off a 4-12 season and getting them to the divisional playoff game for only the second time since 1998. If you don't believe that he had a huge impact on what happened in Denver last season then I won't bother continuing talking to you about it.

Imo he earned the right to start next season, if it didn't go well then you go out and do what you have to do but signing up a 36 year old who hasn't played for 14 months and coming off 4 ops on his neck and giving him a ridiculous contract just seems ludicrous to me. We'll see how they do next season but as I said earlier Elway has put all his eggs in one basket now. I certainly wouldn't have taken Manning at that price especially given the way the fans loved Tebow because the backlash should it go wrong will certainly mean the end for both Elway and Fox.

If he had stuck with Tebow this season and things didn't go well then he gets a free pass because all he says is that the guy deserved the chance but unfortunately he is not good enough and the fans would respect him for it. Just think about it for a second, if it went horribly wrong for Tebow next season then you possibly get Barkley.

HigginsJ

Think about all the quarter-backs in last years play-offs (excluding TJ Yates as he was 3rsd string n in on injury) and all of them are set as long term starters for their teams bar Tebow.

Fair enough the Broncos took Manning and no-one can blame them but how another team cannot want Tebow to be their QB is beyond me. Had the 49ers got Manning, Smith would have walked into a multi-year, multi millon $ deal elsewhere.

But Tebow, a play-off winning QB, who made massive plays in that play-off game against one of the leagues best D's wont be a starting QB, some people are saying he should give up being a QB altogether and become a H-Back-Wildcat hybrid player. Its ridiculous.

There has to be at least 5-6 teams who would be improved by having Tebow as their QB, Miami, Jags, Browns, seriously need to get the finger out and Jets, Eagles, Bucs really need to consider getting him in to push their starter.

Had the Broncos not got Manning we'd all be wondering how to build around and maximise Tebow. One off-season move cant possibly end a guys QB career.

Johnny_Fontane

Tebow has shown that he has something special in the clutch as a qb, if he could improve (and I personally think he will) on his variety, he will be a top player.

a starting place for him might be limited in the short term, but we will see Tebow back at some stage. Someone will take a chance.

TimThomas

eagle eye wrote: »

Who is talking about feelings? I'm talking a player coming into a team that looked like it was heading for its worst season in nearly 30 years and had just come off a 4-12 season and getting them to the divisional playoff game for only the second time since 1998. If you don't believe that he had a huge impact on what happened in Denver last season then I won't bother continuing talking to you about it.

Imo he earned the right to start next season, if it didn't go well then you go out and do what you have to do but signing up a 36 year old who hasn't played for 14 months and coming off 4 ops on his neck and giving him a ridiculous contract just seems ludicrous to me. We'll see how they do next season but as I said earlier Elway has put all his eggs in one basket now. I certainly wouldn't have taken Manning at that price especially given the way the fans loved Tebow because the backlash should it go wrong will certainly mean the end for both Elway and Fox.

If he had stuck with Tebow this season and things didn't go well then he gets a free pass because all he says is that the guy deserved the chance but unfortunately he is not good enough and the fans would respect him for it. Just think about it for a second, if it went horribly wrong for Tebow next season then you possibly get Barkley.

All of this above because I said football is a business. You said Harshly treated and the NFL as I said is a business. It may be harsh that Tebow loses out where Denver are concerned but its a business. What people deserve and what people actually get are two different things. If Denver feel they need to go in another direction so be it.

As for the rest of what you said I fail to see what it has to do with what I said. What I think about Tebow has no bearing on what I said when I quoted you. None at all in fact. So I dont know why you feel the need to go down that road.

Especially this:

If you don't believe that he had a huge impact on what happened in Denver last season then I won't bother continuing talking to you about it.

So what if I do or don't. Its a moot point as Denver have made their decision. How I feel about Tebow's contribution there is now irrelevant.

I will add like others in here you especially you can't talk about Tebow without bringing up the old arguments of what he did. Even if the conversation has nothing to do with performance you seem fit in bringing it up. And you can't help yourself trying to use the "oh you dont like Tebow" so your opinion is stupid.

Syferus

So you shouldn't bring up that a player has proven he can win games, being instrumental in dragging a basement-bound team into the play-offs when you're talking about if he'll find a new home? Are you for real?

me-skywalker

TimThomas closes his account in a fiting tribute to Tim closing his account out with Denver. Matyrism on the internet alive.

So the Jags are out of the running early. Will Tim be stranded? McCarthy said he would love to develop him in Green Bay. Would Thompson sanction the insanity the Packers would incur or was this a mere off the cuff statement by McCarthy? Would any other Florida team take the gamble? The Bucs 2 years ago seemed fresh and looking positive, after last years regression would they take the risk to scrap their play book and adapt they still plenty have cap space to tempt a shot at some big names over the next 2/3 seasons? Dolphins won't go near him with Philbin as Coach. I don't see Tebows outs as easy as others, will he accept the bench, he doesn't deserve the bench. Can he get a start in the CFL?

vetinari

Tebow will start somewhere else imo. This talk about having to dramtically overhaul your offence or not having a capable back up is overrated.

The Broncos as mentioned weren't built around Tebow. They started the season with Orton.

Secondly, most teams backups suck anyways. No one realistically plans to succeed with their backup. TJ Yates for instance did well when he came in. However, the Texans dreams of winning a superbowl evaporated when Schaub went down.

My guess is the Jags will take him. They'd be nuts not to.

neilster

Nice to see that Tebow isnt controversial

The Jags have to be in the rpime position, its sounds like the Owner is warming to the notion....Blaine Gabbert is toast ...he feels a rush that isnt coming

The word is Gene Smith may be on his way out at GM after the draft , they need a DE across from the re-signed Jeremy Mincey , the chatter is that Quintin Coples (the more talented DE but lazy at times) will be ignored by Smith and Melvin Ingram (he of the insect length arms) is viewed as the safer pick, Perry & others are a reach ....If Coples is picked Smith isnt doing the picking , the owner is and he may step in and do his best Bud Adams impression with bushy moustache...definitely moustache of the NFL award

Friends of Tebow saying he'd like Florida so the Jags i think

HigginsJ

vetinari wrote: »

Tebow will start somewhere else imo. This talk about having to dramtically overhaul your offence or not having a capable back up is overrated.

The Broncos as mentioned weren't built around Tebow. They started the season with Orton.

Secondly, most teams backups suck anyways. No one realistically plans to succeed with their backup. TJ Yates for instance did well when he came in. However, the Texans dreams of winning a superbowl evaporated when Schaub went down.

My guess is the Jags will take him. They'd be nuts not to.

I couldn't agree more with you but it seems they may be nuts. The new coach isn't keen on him at all. The GM invested a 1st and 2nd round pick in Gabbert last year. Don't underestimate how self interested these guys are. No GM wants to see his hand-picked franchise QB that he traded up for fail.

The owner wants him but seems to be stepping back as he doesnt want to override his coach and GM. Ridiculous situation as he could do a great job with MJD and a decent wide-out (Michael Floyd) but it seems less and less likely to be the Jags.

Chucky the tree

HigginsJ wrote: »

I couldn't agree more with you but it seems they may be nuts. The new coach isn't keen on him at all. The GM invested a 1st and 2nd round pick in Gabbert last year. Don't underestimate how self interested these guys are. No GM wants to see his hand-picked franchise QB that he traded up for fail.

The owner wants him but seems to be stepping back as he doesnt want to override his coach and GM. Ridiculous situation as he could do a great job with MJD and a decent wide-out (Michael Floyd) but it seems less and less likely to be the Jags.

How could he do a decent job? He didn't really do a decent job in Denver. It's going to be difficult to find coaches who want a guy who can't throw the ball to be their starting QB, especially when they are basically being told that wins don't really matter and they have to do it just to sell tickets. Not to mention how damaging it would be for the players to be basically told that that selling out tickets is more important than winning, what free agent would ever want to sign up for a situation like that?

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How could he do a decent job? He didn't really do a decent job in Denver. It's going to be difficult to find coaches who want a guy who can't throw the ball to be their starting QB, especially when they are basically being told that wins don't really matter and they have to do it just to sell tickets. Not to mention how damaging it would be for the players to be basically told that that selling out tickets is more important than winning, what free agent would ever want to sign up for a situation like that?

You're right, dragging your team from one of the poorest records in the league, to a Playoff win over the steelers constitutes much more than a "decent job"

HigginsJ

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How could he do a decent job? He didn't really do a decent job in Denver. It's going to be difficult to find coaches who want a guy who can't throw the ball to be their starting QB, especially when they are basically being told that wins don't really matter and they have to do it just to sell tickets. Not to mention how damaging it would be for the players to be basically told that that selling out tickets is more important than winning, what free agent would ever want to sign up for a situation like that?

So the guy can't throw the football, only there to sell tickets yes?

So who was it that took the dreadful Broncos to the playoffs and beat the Steelers? I think Tebow is fantastic but i'm not so stupid to think that he is a top 10 QB or anything of the sort. But this assertion that Tebow is nothing but a marketing tool who cant play QB really bugs me. The guy had some great games last year, made great plays, was helped with an excellent D, kicking game no doubt but he was the QB for all these games. He was QB for the last 5 minutes against the Dolphins, last 2 minutes against the Jets, whole game against the Steelers. He is not some dope who has never played the position and cant throw.

Who gives a rats rear end if free agents dont want to sign up for that, i dont see Jacksonville knocking them back as it is btw.

davyjose

TimThomas wrote: »

Oh yeah Im being aggressive. Punching my PC here also and screaming at it. Love it when people use the aggresive tags or calm down tags or relax bro stuff. Everyone on the internet is a psychiatrist apparently. :rolleyes:




Your definition and my definition of a "few" are completely different. Try 8 pages in 43 hours. And not every post is about people caring about him only giving an opinion on where they think he will go. I gave my opinion on it doesnt mean I give fook about him.

Seeing as we're getting so literal, you asked "who gives a fook" about Tebow. I would suggest anyone posting on this thread does in one way or another, even if it's hand-wringing frustration at why we admire the guy.

Try three months to get to 7 pages on the Manning thread, then yeah, the term a "few hours" fits the bill nicely, for me.

Chucky the tree

HigginsJ wrote: »

So the guy can't throw the football, only there to sell tickets yes?

So who was it that took the dreadful Broncos to the playoffs and beat the Steelers? I think Tebow is fantastic but i'm not so stupid to think that he is a top 10 QB or anything of the sort. But this assertion that Tebow is nothing but a marketing tool who cant play QB really bugs me. The guy had some great games last year, made great plays, was helped with an excellent D, kicking game no doubt but he was the QB for all these games. He was QB for the last 5 minutes against the Dolphins, last 2 minutes against the Jets, whole game against the Steelers. He is not some dope who has never played the position and cant throw.

Who gives a rats rear end if free agents dont want to sign up for that, i dont see Jacksonville knocking them back as it is btw.

The fact people are saying the main reason for Jags to hire him is because he will help sell tickets and jerseys and no because he'll go in there and win games pretty much confirms he's far more of a marketing tool than a QB. The guy also had some terrible games and made some horrendous plays. He was QB for the defeat to the Bills, chiefs and getting crushed by the Pats. A team won't be successful if they can't attract suitable players and free agents, it's a simple as that.

HigginsJ

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The fact people are saying the main reason for Jags to hire him is because he will help sell tickets and jerseys and no because he'll go in there and win games pretty much confirms he's far more of a marketing tool than a QB. The guy also had some terrible games and made some horrendous plays. He was QB for the defeat to the Bills, chiefs and getting crushed by the Pats. A team won't be successful if they can't attract suitable players and free agents, it's a simple as that.

Fair enough your entitled to your opinion. You think he'll go there and be a marketing tool, i think he'll go there and get them to 8-8. All i can finish with is this:

Tim Tebow > Blaine Gabbert

me-skywalker

I give a fook! Lets not forget that we wouldn't be taking about this if it wasnt for Peyton F***ing Manning. The Bronco's would have stuck with and we would all be exicted to see if Tim could build on a marvelous year last year with plenty of sprouts of improvemtn to get behind him.

All this adversary and all the critics he has had and he answers to it all last season and now some poeple act as if that didn't happen. That cannot be taken away.

Jags don't want him. But yea he would give significant improvement over Gabbert. Gene Smith should do an Elway on it, Tebow can give Gabbert some motivational speech in "manning" the fck up facing a rush.

UnitedIrishman

Tebow traded to the Jets for a 4th round pick.

Interesting enough. Pressure is going to be a lot higher on Sanchez now whether Tebow has the ability or not!

Glenbhoy

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Broncos will look to sign a decent veteran back-up - rumoured to be one of San Diego's Billy Volek, Chicago's Caleb Hanie, Houston's Matt Leinart, St. Louis' A.J. Feeley.

Caleb Hanie and the three words Decent, Veteran and Quarterback shouldn't be in the same sentence.

He was absolutely appalling from what I saw of him last year after Cutler's injury.

GoldFour4

Wow there mustn't have been much demand for Tebow if the best the Broncos could get was a fourth rounder

Hazys

I did not see Tebow to the Jets coming at all...i think he'll start over Sanchez, as he is a natural born leader, Sanchez is most certainly not and there isnt much difference in playing ability.

I used to sit on the fence with my opinion of Tebow, neither hate him or love him, but i respected him but now that he is a Jet, FCUK TEBOW!!

Dodge

malachyscott wrote: »

Wow there mustn't have been much demand for Tebow if the best the Broncos could get was a fourth rounder

They got a 4th and 6th for Tebow and a 7th

Most analysts said they'd be doing well to get a 5th

Syferus

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Tebow traded to the Jets for a 4th round pick.

Interesting enough. Pressure is going to be a lot higher on Sanchez now whether Tebow has the ability or not!

Sweet Jesus. Pardon the pun.

Ryan and Tebow, it's a like a buddy cop pairing. Tebow in New York is about a thousand times more nuclear fuel for the media than Peyton Manning would have been.

Poor Sanchize, though, if he thought the pressure was rough before..

eagle eye

Ugh, why did it have to be the Jets of all the teams in the NFL.:(

UnitedIrishman

malachyscott wrote: »

Wow there mustn't have been much demand for Tebow if the best the Broncos could get was a fourth rounder

More of a case of an unwanted commodity by the seller. Even if there were 5 teams in for him, they knew that the Bronco's wanted rid and that there's the chance he could be cut if they waited around.

Amazing to think that Tebow's stock has fallen from the day of his first round draft despite winning a number of games at Denver in his first starting season, turning around their season and winning a playoff game. Even the fact we know it was a reach for him to be a first rounder (most had him at late 2nd/3rd I think?), for him to go for a 4th despite having NFL experience behind him just shows how much work sides think is needed.

MrDisgruntled

Wow if he wasnt overhyped enough then send him of to NYC the home of Americas other most overhyped athlete Jeremy Lin....

JohnnyRyan99

I didn't really want Tebow but now that he's here I'm giddy!

Tebowmania vs The Sanchize!

New York is going to explode!!

Chardee MacDennis

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Please god no, we don't want or need Tebow Mania thank you very much. We've got a two year window with a half decent roster and Sanchez will get that time to try and become an above average NFL QB. If he doesn't do it, we cut him in March 2014 and engage in a complete rebuilding project.

Denver will offload Tebow in some way, shape or form. This is their chance to do it, and Elway is too smart to pass on the opportunity.

Tebow is shaping up to be a terrible backup the rest of his career. He requires a custom tailored offensive package, can't make all the throws to aid defensive preperation, and will have the fans screaming for him to be put in whenever there are two losses in a row. Right now the only spot that makes some sense backup wise would be Philadelphia as he could probably come in and run the same packages as Vick / Young. The Patriots would probably find innovative ways to utilise his skilset without any intention of him being groomed to start at QB, so that could work too.

But for me, he needs to go somewhere he can start for better or worse. It's the lolphins or Los Jaguars so, and I think Los Jaguars don't give a damn about winning if they can sell the stadium out, and Tebow can offer that at the very least - so I reckon he'll end up there.

He's probably worth a 4th round pick.

well you got the 4th round pick right. Enjoy Tebow-mania!

JaMarcus Hustle

Tony Sparano will absolutely love working with Tebow, and could actually come up with some decent packages for him. Unless Sanchez struggled even more than people expect, it's going to be similar to Tebow's rookie year, i.e. plug him into a specially designed play in goal line situations and the occasional 3rd and short.

It's actually a great move for the Jets, and given the details of Sanchez' new contract, it's also an opportunity for Tebow (although I would have liked to see him start elsewhere).

Jolly Red Giant

Just to clarify -

The deal for Tebow is as follows -

Denver receive a 4th round and a 6th round pick

NY Jets receive Tebow and a 7th round pick

Best of luck to Tebow - interesting times for the Jets - as a Broncos fan I am happy with the deal.

Red Crow

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Wow if he wasnt overhyped enough then send him of to NYC the home of Americas other most overhyped athlete Jeremy Lin....

Are you for real?

Hazys

Giving Sanchez the extension seems even more silly now. Sanchez wont start and if he does the fans will go mental screaming for Tebow.

Sanchez is already disliked by the fans and the lockerroom, now way he will be more popular than Tebow.

Syferus

So, did Elway keep to his word? Did Tebow want to go to NYC, even though everything said he wanted to go back to Florida and that the Jags were seriously interested?

If this was just a draft pick grab it'd be a final parting insult by Elway.

Dodge

Tebow will play a rich man's Brad Smith's role. Sanchez will still start

UnitedIrishman

Odds on Tebow being a starter by the end of the season? :pac:

Hazys

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post?id=11210

1. The circus is coming to town, and the Jets just love a circus, don't they? Is this their "Little Brother" response to the Giants winning the Super Bowl?

2. The attention-seeking Jets couldn't get Peyton Manning, so they take the next-best quarterback in terms of generating buzz. Sometimes you wonder if they're more concerned with back pages than victories. Hey, if we can't get a phenomenal quarterback, let's grab a quarterback phenomenon.

3. The risk far exceeds the potential upside. At best, the Jets get a change-of-pace quarterback who can run the Wildcat a few times per game, gain 20 or 30 yards and cause a small headache for defenses. At worst, they get a divisive quarterback controversy that undermines incumbent Mark Sanchez.

4. The Jets just gave Sanchez a three-year contract extension, affirming their faith in a quarterback whose stature in the locker room took a hit last season. The Tebow acquisition is counter-productive because all it does is re-open a can of worms that should've been buried.

5. As soon as Sanchez has a bad game, the Tebow-maniacs -- and the converts -- will be screaming for a quarterback change. It won't be an every-so-often thing. It will become the soundtrack of the Jets' season. It will put a lot of pressure on Rex Ryan, who will be in charge of trying to manage the madness.

6. After all the locker-room problems they experienced last season, the Jets should be focused on coming together and rebuilding the chemistry they enjoyed in 2010. Tebow is a polarizing presence that will split fans, and judging from Antonio Cromartie's recent tweets, could split the players.

7. It doesn't make sense from a salary-cap/roster management standpoint. First of all, the Jets just gave Drew Stanton a $500,000 signing bonus to be the No. 2 QB. If they were interested in Tebow -- and they had to know he'd be available if Manning landed in Denver -- why not hold off a few days? They just wasted $500,000 that could've been spent elsewhere.

More waste: They gave up a fourth-round draft pick, and they're paying $1.1 million in salary, for a specialty player who doesn't play special teams and probably won't be on the field more than a dozen snaps per game. At least Brad Smith, the Jets' old Wildcat, contributed in other roles.

8. The luster of the Wildcat has worn off. Teams have caught up to it, and it's no longer the offensive weapon it used to be.

9. You can't help but wonder about the role of Jimmy Sexton in this move. Sexton is Tebow's agent and he also represents new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano. And he's also good friends with GM Mike Tannenbaum. Hmm. "Don't underestimate that connection," one league source said.

10. Tannenbaum said after the season that the QB depth chart would have a different look in 2012. Man, he wasn't joking.

Lol i forgot earlier today Antonio Cromartie basically told Tebow to F off on twitter lol lol lol

Hazys

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Odds on Tebow being a starter by the end of the season? :pac:

Id say he'll be starting week 1, if not week 2.

MrDisgruntled

Eli Manning wrote: »

Are you for real?

Of course im for real. Tebow is a fifth tier player at best and Lin could perhaps be a third tier player but both have been such good media stories that they have got much more exposure than their talent warrants.

Red Crow

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Eli Manning wrote: »

Are you for real?

Of course im for real. Tebow is a fifth tier player at best and Lin could perhaps be a third tier player but both have been such good media stories that they have got much more exposure than their talent warrants.

That's linsane.

Jolly Red Giant

Syferus wrote: »

So, did Elway keep to his word? Did Tebow want to go to NYC, even though everything said he wanted to go back to Florida and that the Jags were seriously interested?

If this was just a draft pick grab it'd be a final parting insult by Elway.

I am sure that if the Jags offered the same as the Jets, Elway would have let Tebow have his choice. Elway's job is to look after the interests of the Broncos - not Tebow's interests, Tebow has an agent for that. Elway did what any good VP/GM would do - made the right moves to benefit the team - no player is bigger than the team and every player who goes into the NFL knows how the system works. Tebow is a big boy and if he is good enough he will succeed - if he is not then he will go the way of thousands of other hopefuls who didn't make it. either way the Bronocs will still be around in a years to come when Elway, Manning and Tebow will be nothing more than distant memories.

davyjose

The Jets? Gutted.