What would you do with Tim Tebow?

Stev_o

He'll be starting after the second game. He suits that market as well as the team philosophy especially now with Sporano and the whole Wildcat. Though how the hell you content with someone like Holmes is another question.

Hazys

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Of course im for real. Tebow is a fifth tier player at best and Lin could perhaps be a third tier player but both have been such good media stories that they have got much more exposure than their talent warrants.

Yes there is a lot of hype with both of them but they are not useless as you say.

Tebow is 1st tier QB but i'd rank him to be in the bottom 4 of the top 32 QBs...certainly not 5th tier!

Lin is a 1st tier guard, in the top 20 in the NBA.

I know hype makes out to be the greatest players in their respective sports but they are still good players.

Syferus

Hazys wrote: »

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post?id=11210



Lol i forgot earlier today Antonio Cromartie basically told Tebow to F off on twitter lol lol lol

Thought that was way too negative. It is hard to see what the Jets were thinking picking up Drew Stanton but this really sets the Jets up with alot of options out of the game and makes sure that Mark Sanchez has to either show he's a good QB or be turfed out very early in the season. Ryan could be very much dead in the water if this season spirals linto the abyss like the last so it makes sense he'd roll the dice on Tebow. With good QB play the Jets can still be a very serious threat in the Superbowl stakes so upping the stakes on that front is no wrong thing to do.

spiralism

Jets are a good fit imo and we got a decent, if unspectacular price. The coverage and story around it should be epic though, cant wait to see this.

Best of luck Tim and thanks for the memories, wish you all the best over there, just don't be too good that it makes us look stupid!

Stev_o

Syferus wrote: »

Thought that was wat too negative. It is hard to see what the Jets were thinking picking up Drew Stanton but this really sets the Jets up with alot of options out of the game and makes sure that Mark Sanchez has to either show he's a good QB or be turfed out very early in the season. Ryan could be very much dead in the water if this season spirals linto the abyss like the last so it makes sense he'd roll the dice on Tebow. With good QB play the Jets can still be a very serious threat in the Superbowl stakes so upping the stakes on that front is no wrong thing to do.

If anything it suits them as a team. Run the clock like crazy and let the defence do it's thing. They need that running game to go back to where it was. Thing is though is there locker room is a disgusting thing, they NEED to trade Holmes to somebody and get a specialist receiver or a good draft pick to fill the void.

Dodge

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Of course im for real. Tebow is a fifth tier player at best and Lin could perhaps be a third tier player but both have been such good media stories that they have got much more exposure than their talent warrants.

Lin is a starting calibre point guard in the NBA, and easily one of the best scoring PGs around.

Part of his story was that people got it wrong on him. It wasn't pure hype. It was "this guy is actually good!"

GoldFour4

Tebow is there to take some of the media pressure off sanchez, the pressure he'll be under will be huge though

MrDisgruntled

Eli Manning wrote: »

Are you for real?

Hazys wrote: »

Yes there is a lot of hype with both of them but they are not useless as you say.

Tebow is 1st tier QB but i'd rank him to be in the bottom 4 of the top 32 QBs...certainly not 5th tier!

Lin is a 1st tier guard, in the top 20 in the NBA.

I know hype makes out to be the greatest players in their respective sports but they are still good players.

Hold up! I'm not saying they are useless players?? And im not saying hes a 5th tier QB im saying hes a 5th tier player. Tier one being the really elite players, the game changers, no matter what the position, Tier 2 being great players but slightly below so on and so forth.

I think Tebow will struggle to hold down a starting job at QB in the nfl. Hes a great athlete no doubt but perhaps not with an apt skill set for an NFL QB.

Lin is also a very good player but you really think that he is among the top 20 players in the NBA? I wouldnt rank him anywhere in the top 50

GoldFour4

Jets players apparently not happy. Antonio Cromartie just tweeted this.

Y bring Tebow in when we need to bring in more Weapons for @Mark_Sanchez let's build the team around him. We already signed to 3 year ext.

Hazys

MrDisgruntled wrote: »

Hold up! I'm not saying they are useless players?? And im not saying hes a 5th tier QB im saying hes a 5th tier player. Tier one being the really elite players, the game changers, no matter what the position, Tier 2 being great players but slightly below so on and so forth.

I think Tebow will struggle to hold down a starting job at QB in the nfl. Hes a great athlete no doubt but perhaps not with an apt skill set for an NFL QB.

Lin is also a very good player but you really think that he is among the top 20 players in the NBA? I wouldnt rank him anywhere in the top 50

Top 20 guard...anyway we are going off topic.

Dodge

malachyscott wrote: »

Jets players apparently not happy. Antonio Cromartie just tweeted this.

he tweeted that before the trade in fairness

JaMarcus Hustle

Dodge wrote: »

he tweeted that before the trade in fairness

Antonio Cromartie - bastion of intelligence and beacon of sensibility.

Syferus

malachyscott wrote: »

Jets players apparently not happy. Antonio Cromartie just tweeted this.

Cromartie =/= Jets

Cromartie, for lack for a less awesome word, is a complete looper.

Shane St.

Excuse my ignorance I'm very much a casual NFL fan. What is the hype and hysteria with this guy? Is he good?

Hazys

Shane St. wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance I'm very much a casual NFL fan. What is the hype and hysteria with this guy? Is he good?

He is the second coming of Jesus.

Shane St.

Hazys wrote: »

He is the second coming of Jesus.

LOL no seriously though there is so much hype around him. What is it all about?

eagle eye

Shane St. wrote: »

LOL no seriously though there is so much hype around him. What is it all about?

He is one of the greatest college footballers ever. He is a megastar in the USA. He doesn't have the skillset associated with being a QB in the NFL but he took over a team as starter on a team that was 1-4 last year and led them to the playoffs.

He is the most talked about player in the NFL to date. He sold more jersies last season than all except Aaron Rodgers who led the Packers to the Superbowl in February that year.

LuckyLloyd

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JaMarcus Hustle

God forbid Mark Sanchez should have some real competition and stop being coddled like a baby and wrapped in cotton wool for the remainder of his vastly expensive contract.

LuckyLloyd

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

God forbid Mark Sanchez should have some real competition and stop being coddled like a baby and wrapped in cotton wool for the remainder of his vastly expensive contract.

Tebow is rubbish. We had one QB that will need to be cut in two year's time. Now we have two! There is a half decent roster here, now we bring in a pointless circus.

Tebow sucks, and any franchise trying to win has no business involving themselves with him.

Syferus

Lol.

McG

Sanchez or Tebow.... I guess there's always somebody out there worse off than you... suddenly I don't feel so bad being a Colts fan.

Phoenix Park

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Tebow is rubbish. We had one QB that will need to be cut in two year's time. Now we have two! There is a half decent roster here, now we bring in a pointless circus.

Tebow sucks, and any franchise trying to win has no business involving themselves with him.

Thats harsh and to be honest you might be overestimating the Jets to suggest they deserve much better right now!. Tebow won't make a top quality QB but he can bring pressure to Sanchez which is needed. Sanchez has been wrapped in cotton wool as a poster above pointed out, i'm fascinated to see how long he lasts once the fans get on his back (a game? two games? five minutes??)

Tebow comes accross as an absolute gent and he conducted himself with great dignity throughout the Manning affair. I wish him all the best in NY.

Chucky the tree

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

God forbid Mark Sanchez should have some real competition and stop being coddled like a baby and wrapped in cotton wool for the remainder of his vastly expensive contract.

Why give him a new contract then? The whole situation has been handled terribly by the Jets.

Danger_dave1

As a Tebow fan and a New York Jets fans. I have conflicted emotions. One thing's for sure Tebow will no doubt help an already conflicted dressing room. Things will at least be more interesting as a Jets fans.

Long live Tebow!

J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets!

Danger_dave1

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why give him a new contract then? The whole situation has been handled terribly by the Jets.

The contract extension was nothing more than a way to create more cap room. The deal give Sanchez an extra 2million and just restructures his contract to allow him to stay till 2013 and if we want to cut him at the start of 2013 it costs us nothing.

JaMarcus Hustle

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why give him a new contract then? The whole situation has been handled terribly by the Jets.

To free up cap space. The terms of the new contract don't change anything re: getting rid of Sanchez if they need to.

themont85

Tebow deal could be off according to Schefter.

Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.

Jolly Red Giant

themont85 wrote: »

Tebow deal could be off according to Schefter.

Never a dull moment with Tebow - clearly he wants to go to Florida - up to the Jags or Miami to pony up a 4th rounder +

FreeOSCAR

Let's hold the presses for the moment.
Trade could be nullified. The Jets would owe Denver recapture money of around 5million. Might be unwilling to pay it.

Same thing I said about Tebow last night. I'm happy for anybody to come in to breathe down Sanchez's neck.
I don't see how there can be any real downside to the trade if it goes fully. We are getting him for a 4th rounder, his contract is cheapish and him along with Sanchez will make the Jets much harder to plan against than last year IMO. The only real haters are people who still call Mark the Sanchize and disgruntled AFC East fans who love Timmy.

Mr. Guappa

themont85 wrote: »

Tebow deal could be off according to Schefter.

This must be the best off-season ever! So much drama.

Phoenix Park

Rams the latest to be touted

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/jets-trade-for-tebow-hits-a-snag-could-be-voided-rams-may-get-him/

Johnny_Fontane

Proper march madness this!

Jolly Red Giant

FreeOSCAR wrote: »

Let's hold the presses for the moment.
Trade could be nullified. The Jets would owe Denver recapture money of around 5million. Might be unwilling to pay it.

Apparently McDaniels was responsible for the contract - still cleaning up that clown's mess.

Syferus

Wow. That Broncos FO sure is thorough. I still have major doubts about that set-up. This has very little to do with the McDaniels era, these types of contracts are routine but the trading teams usually waives their rights to the paid out money.

Can't understand what this is about, a ploy to nullify the trade, pure neglect or something else.

poldebruin

The Jets were plenty disfunctional all by themselves last year without Teb ow. I doubt his presence could make things worse tbh.

I don't think Tebow will cause a problem in the locker room - he's not been brought there as a genuine no. 2 to Sanchez, but as a situational starter/inside the 5 player. He was nearly impossible to stop from 5 yards and in running the ball - all for the price of a 4th rounder? Certainly worth a flier.

And from what I've read Sanchez needs to be looking over his shoulder to get the best from him. This is a guy who has wongames in the NFL, and there's not too many teams that have backup qbs that have won games in the playoffs.

Finally - Tebow's passing will only improve. His reading of defences will improve, his pocket awareness will improve, the game will slow down foe him. He's still a very young man, that works hard on his game and has the intangibles that Sanchez does not. Good in the clutch, inside the 10 and a great leader. All for the price of a 4th rounder.

The Jags were mad not to pursue him - Blaine Gabbert? Give me a break. He could have saved the franchise there. Marketing, Jersey sales, local interest as well as national interest would have sky rocketed. The Jags had a decent D, a great RB and Tebow would have been a good fit there (apart from the fact the coaches didn't want him!!)

Jolly Red Giant

Syferus wrote: »

Wow. That Broncos FO sure is thorough. Still have major doubt about that set-up. Very little to do with the McDaniels era, these types of contracts are routine but the trading teams usually waives their rights to the paid out money.

Everything to do with McDaniels - the contract he negotiated with Tebow basically paid out a ton of money at the start of the contract. This was not the signing on bonus - it was base salary.

This was the contract -

Base salary
2010: $1.295 million (fully guaranteed)
2011: $1.618.75 million (fully guaranteed)
2012: $1.942.5 million (fully guaranteed)
2013: $2.266.75 million (fully guaranteed)
2014: $2.590.5 million ($567,500 guaranteed)

But McDaniels agreed to pay $7.25million of the base salary upfront. In other words if the Broncos trade him now and waive the recapture money then they are trading him and paying his wages for the next two years. The Jets would get Tebow and unless he met some very stringent targets (being a top 5 ranked QB winning an MVP or winning a SB) they wouldn't have to pay him a penny until 2014 and then only half a million is guaranteed.

Syferus wrote: »

Can't understand what this is about, a ploy to nullify the trade, pure neglect or something else.

It about not paying a player who isn't on the team - and not allowing another team take the player and pay the player nothing for two years.

FreeOSCAR

Jets twitter announced trade before the NFL did. The poor intern who runs that is ****ed.

Jacksonville back in play now according to Schefter (who must have wire taps on people phones along with Jay Glazer)

I'm starting to think the Jets won't pay the compensation which after everything that's unfolded in the past 9 months is another facepalm for the organisation.

Chucky the tree

Why would any other franchise pay the $5m?

Syferus

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Everything to do with McDaniels - the contract he negotiated with Tebow basically paid out a ton of money at the start of the contract. This was not the signing on bonus - it was base salary.

This was the contract -

Base salary
2010: $1.295 million (fully guaranteed)
2011: $1.618.75 million (fully guaranteed)
2012: $1.942.5 million (fully guaranteed)
2013: $2.266.75 million (fully guaranteed)
2014: $2.590.5 million ($567,500 guaranteed)

But McDaniels agreed to pay $7.25million of the base salary upfront. In other words if the Broncos trade him now and waive the recapture money then they are trading him and paying his wages for the next two years. The Jets would get Tebow and unless he met some very stringent targets (being a top 5 ranked QB winning an MVP or winning a SB) they wouldn't have to pay him a penny until 2014 and then only half a million is guaranteed.

It about not paying a player who isn't on the team - and not allowing another team take the player and pay the player nothing for two years.

McDaniels wasn't the GM, he had very little to do with the contract specifics. It was done under the old rookie pay scale, remember, so huge up front money was entirely the norm.

Fact is the trading team invariably waives their right to the money - which would only activate were Tebow to retire in the next three years - as a pre-requisite to the trade happening. Something funny is going on.

HigginsJ

Broncos are going to kick themselves if this falls through and no-one else comes in for him.

Jolly Red Giant

Syferus wrote: »

McDaniels wasn't the GM, he had very little to do with the contract specifics. It was done under the old rookie pay scale, remember, so huge up front money was entirely the norm.

McDaniels negotiated all the contracts - he was given all the power just like Shanahan. the huge up front money for rookies prior to the new pay deal was for large signing bonuses - they are the responsibility of the team that signs the bonus, they are in the contract as recapture money in the event of a player retiring but always waved in the case of a trade.

This has nothing to do with signing bonuses - it is about base salary - McDaniels paid Tebow $7.25million up-front of his guaranteed $9.7million base salary over 5 years. Whoever gets Tebow only has to pay him $1.65million over the next 3 years.

Syferus wrote: »

Fact is the trading team invariably waives their right to the money - which would only activate were Tebow to retire in the next three years - as a pre-requisite to the trade happening. Something funny is going on.

1. - they waive the signing bonus - not the base salary
2. - nothing to do with him retiring - the recapture would automatically kick-in for that.
3. - damned right something funny is going on - McDaniels was stupid (not for the first time) he was starry-eyed with having Jesus Almighty on his team - Tebow's agent too him for a ride and the contract is causing problems for the Broncos and anyone who wants Tebow.

Now I may be completely off the mark on this one but I have actually gone back and read the details of Tebows contract from two years ago - and Schefter has tweeted about the same issues -
Tebow had 6.2M salary advance in 2011, 5M left on advance, Broncos want money back from NYJ as per assignment of contract.

Syferus

It was still entirely the norm, and I'd hugely question how much of a legal contract McDnaiels actually defined. The fact is no team is going to give draft picks and 'straight money, homie' for a player. The Broncos have to eat this or else they're going to have to cut him and get no picks at all and still have the liability they're complaining about right now.

Jolly Red Giant

Syferus wrote: »

The Broncos have to eat this or else they're going to have to cut him and get no picks at all and still have the liability they're complaining about right now.

It now appears that the Jags thought they could get Tebow on the cheap and have come scampering back because of the Jets involvement. Elway told the Jets they had to pay the money or else - the Jets are still involved (which indicates that the money is now a side issue) - and now so are the Jags. The issue is not money - it's now about who is making the best offer and the fact that Tebow wants to go to Florida and not NY.

Update - word from Jacksonville source are saying he is going to the Jags.

HigginsJ

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

It now appears that the Jags thought they could get Tebow on the cheap and have come scampering back because of the Jets involvement. Elway told the Jets they had to pay the money or else - the Jets are still involved (which indicates that the money is now a side issue) - and now so are the Jags. The issue is not money - it's now about who is making the best offer and the fact that Tebow wants to go to Florida and not NY.

Update - word from Jacksonville source are saying he is going to the Jags.[/QUOTE]


I hope its true. Tebow will re-energise the franchise.

eagle eye

Michael Lombardi just tweeted

Jacksonville gets Tebow according to Tebow

and the this:eek:

Sorry. That was a fake Tim Tebow acount.

Jolly Red Giant

eagle eye wrote: »

Michael Lombardi just tweeted

Jacksonville gets Tebow according to Tebow

and the this:eek:

Sorry. That was a fake Tim Tebow acount.

Several reporters have been fooled by that fake Tebow account today.

spiralism

I'd love if he went to Jags, less circus and pressure, his hometown and they'll likely pay up more too Want him? Give us a 3rd so.

Jolly Red Giant

spiralism wrote: »

I'd love if he went to Jags, less circus and pressure, his hometown and they'll likely pay up more too Want him? Give us a 3rd so.

Don't forget the $5million in advance base salary.

HigginsJ

Does Mark Sanchez get another new contract now?