New York Giants Thread

wawaman

Beefy78 wrote: »

Anyway - who is over in London this weekend?

Robbie Gould

wawaman

My God, that was a slog. 2 very poor teams in fairness

HigginsJ

wawaman wrote: »

My God, that was a slog. 2 very poor teams in fairness

Nice to see the D turn up and have an impact on the game, that being said it was a Jeff Fisher offense with Case Keenum at the helm so hardly an elite offense we shut down.

Knex*

Massive win yesterday. I've realised that I'm pretty confident in most situations with our defense this year, which is a pleasant surprise. Offense still needs to step it up.

Our next three games are all winnable if you ask me. Bengals at home, Bears at home, and Browns away. If we have any shot of the playoffs or beyond, we need to be coming out of that with an 8-3 record. A lot to ask for the team to win 6 in a row, however.

Landon Collins is playing at an all pro level. I love the man.

wawaman

Before the game yesterday i was surprised to see that we were in a wild card slot, we moved up to 5th seed with the win over the eagles. we have absolutely no running game at all, during the game it was mentioned that we were averaging 2.5 yards per carry! Thats terrible. If we had even a half decent ground attack it would cut out some of the dumb plays by Eli as he feels he needs to throw to get any sort of field position at all

krustydoyle

When Eli threw that pick I thought we were fecked.. It would of been a tough loss to take.. Defense played real well and I'm happy with where the team is now

Knex*

Thought Eli looked pretty good yesterday, to be honest. That Philly front 7 is pretty impressive, so I was happy with how we dealt with them, especially considering we lost Pugh.

Wouldn't have put either of the INTs on Eli either. Both were unlucky/great plays from the Eagles.

We're still not where we need to be, but there was some signs of hope. The running game is the major concern.

Beefy78

krustydoyle wrote: »

When Eli threw that pick I thought we were fecked.. It would of been a tough loss to take.. Defense played real well and I'm happy with where the team is now

I'd just lumped on the Eagles at 5/1 about three plays before Eli threw that pick. The whole thing just felt so predictable. I was delighted that the D stopped me from cashing in.

krustydoyle

Pugh out for 3/4 weeks with MCL sprain

Knex*

krustydoyle wrote: »

Pugh out for 3/4 weeks with MCL sprain

While obviously bad news, when I saw the injury live I thought he was done for the year. Reminded me of Schwartz going down, to be honest.

If he's back for the Steelers I think we'll be doing well. Bret Jones has done surprisingly alright in his two outings (center when Richburg ejected, and then at LG last Sunday).

KrustyUCC

I hope they stick with Jones at G as opposed to putting back in Newhouse and shifting Hart to G

Knex*

Landon Collins NFC DPOY for his 2nd consecutive game. First safety to do that since Troy Polamalu in 2010.

Troy was defensive player of the year that season, by the way.

KrustyUCC

injury curse again

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Darian-Thompson-placed-on-IR-OL-Adam-Gettis-signed/57683e6d-01b4-4be2-ba10-3297a7610eb1

Beefy78

We've still been one of the teams least impacted by injuries this year. Thompson sadly hasn't been a factor for most of the year and I think this has been coming. Sounds like Cruz may play Monday so really I imagine 31 teams would love to swap for our injury curse.

Knex*

Agreed, Beefy. Even Keenan Robinson and Kennard who are notoriously injury prone are holding up well, which has really helped our linebackers and defense in general.

Shame about DT as I was pretty excited to see what he could do. Even more so as he loosens the reigns on Collins that bit more also. Adams has been doing OK though, thankfully.

I'm hopeful that Perkins starts getting more of a share of the snaps now, going forward, and help to spark the offense. An issue we have, and was glaringly obvious in the 4th quarter vs the Eagles, is that when Jennings came back in, everyone knew it was a passing down. The major case of this was when Barwin tipped the pass and it ended up an INT.

Perkins blocking isn't at the blocking level of Jennings yet, so to keep opposing Ds honest, for want of a better term, we'll have to rotate the RBs a little bit so as its not blatantly obvious on those third and short situation, or elsewhere, what it is we are doing.

Knex*

Anyone gonna watch the game tonight? Considering attempting to sleep early and then get up at half one and see how much I can watch before nodding off again.

Can't say I'm all that confident, as over the past few years we've failed at every big game hurdle. After the results yesterday, we need to win.

Home game against a decent, but ultimately not great, Bengals team. If we have any hope of reaching the playoffs, we need to be making a statement here, and over the next three games really.

Beefy78

I'll be getting up at 5.30ish to watch before work.

krustydoyle

Once again the defence saves us.. Eli's decision making baffles me.. But I think close wins makes us stronger..

wawaman

the decision to go for it on 4th down looks inspired now that we won. if we can win the next 2, it cements our wild card spot and hope that the cowgirls lose at least one. But the Browns are going to beat us, arent they........!!

Knex*

In my head we're now 8-3, which in the NFL is always a dangerous line of thought, and even more so with the Giants. I'll be gutted if we don't win against the Bears and the Browns though.

Great win last night. We've ground our way through some tough games this year. Not the most inspiring of victories, but it will stand to us.

Beefy78

Giants haven't been good at winning those games the last few years. Bengals are a good side who should have gone deep in the Play-Offs last year with a good QB, a top five Receiver and IMO the best Tight End other than Gronk in the league. It was only by a point but that's despite two bad picks and giving them two drive starting positions inside the red zone.

I think the pass rush issue and the lack of sacks has been shown to be a bit misleading - if we can just stop losing the turnover battle and can find a way to run the ball somehow then this should be a good season.

boccy23

Killer part of the schedule is that at the end, 4 of our last 6 are on the road including week 16 @ Eagles and week 17 @ Redskins. The two home games against Dallas and Detroit are now vital.

Knex*

boccy23 wrote: »

Killer part of the schedule is that at the end, 4 of our last 6 are on the road including week 16 @ Eagles and week 17 @ Redskins. The two home games against Dallas and Detroit are now vital.

Aye, which is why I'll be especially gutted if we don't enter that stretch 8-3.

Bears
@Browns
@Steelers
Cowboys
Lions
@Eagles
@Redskins

I don't see us catching Dallas, so its Wild Card or bust for us. 10-6, with the way the rest of the NFC is shaping up, might clinch it. We'd be counting on Washington and Philly not overtaking us, though. Although its very possible that NFC East sends three teams to the playoffs.

My take, we need to win Bears, Browns and the final game v Washington. If we can pick another win up from the Steelers, Cowboys, Lions and Eagles, we'd be in good stead.

Who knows what happens with injuries and everything else that the NFL brings to the fore in the next few weeks, however, but I'm cautiously optimistic of a playoff berth now.

Kylo Ren

HigginsJ

Recorded the game and watched it last night. Eli's INT's were so poor, really bad Eli. I will say that he was really not helped with a number of drops so his performance was not the worst. The O-line did well all things considered.

I think we should look to start Perkins in the back field going forward, he looks more likely to get it done than Jennings, he seems to find it easier to locate what little running lanes are there.

The D did a great job, Jenkins and Vernon in particular were beasts. It is good to be getting over the line in these tight games.

Beefy78

We haven't lost with Jennings as the starter. I think we lost all three in which he didn't play. Eli is clearly so much more comfortable with Jennings in the backfield for extra protection. He also looked better as a runner than Perkins did the other night, IMO.

I think Perkins is the future but I can see why Jennings gets the starts and I think with either we're going to be a 30-32nd ranked rushing attack.

Knex*

I like Perkins getting more snaps, for sure, as I'm hopeful we can actually get a good rotation system between himself and Jennings going then. Vereen is such a loss for this offense though.

Jennings did well in the 4 min offense Monday night to close out the game. 2nd time this year he's done that, although the first might have been week 1 v the Cowboys, so its some time in the making.

Hopefully we can get those two working in tandem to get the offense back to where it needs to be over the next few weeks.

KrustyUCC

Trap game for us tonight

Hopefully we don't let the Bears stick around

KrustyUCC

typical Giants

Playing down to the opposition

Making Bears O seem like the best in NFL

Getting beaten up physically

KrustyUCC

typical Giants

Playing down to the opposition

Making Bears O seem like the best in NFL

Getting beaten up physically

wawaman

How do we manage to make jay cutler....jay cutler look good?

KrustyUCC

only positive is it's only 7 points at half time and we're playing awfully

wawaman

wawaman wrote: »

How do we manage to make jay cutler....jay cutler look good?

Well at least you can always rely on jay cutler to be .......well jay cutler. In fairness the d stepped up again in the 2nd half. Landon Collins is immense

KrustyUCC

Job done

Great to get a W despite playing poorly

KrustyUCC

we def don't do easy

making hard work of the Browns

Rainey has 1 job yet he messes up the punt

Funny he wasn't benched after it

Knex*

Another win where you come away from the game without actually thinking we played well. We're a bizarre team.

The defense is obviously playing great, but the offense is just baffling at times.

Happy to have Pugh back for Steelers next week. That'll be a real litmus test for us now.

Beefy78

Dear New York Giants

Pay JPP

Thanks

wawaman

Bad loss, just never got going on offense

Knex*

wawaman wrote: »

Bad loss, just never got going on offense

Our o-line is pretty poor, all things considered. Its saved by the quick release a lot, but any time we need to give Eli decent protection, its not there.

I know Pugh is injured, but the problems run deeper than that unfortunately.

Ereck Flowers has been so poor. The contrast in his development to that of Collins is actually frightening.

wawaman

Knex. wrote: »

Ereck Flowers has been so poor. The contrast in his development to that of Collins is actually frightening.

Flowers just strikes me as plain dumb, never learns. That thing with pushing the reporter was stupid

Beefy78

Stupid thing is that even though we were massively outplayed by a better team, it still feels like we could have got an unlikely win. We left so many points out on the field, got gifted a few opportunities by the Defense and were moving the ball pretty well at times.

That first pick on the pass to Donnell just killed us. That was a lovely drive until then and would have put us in front.

HigginsJ

That old saying "they are who we thought they were" springs to mind. The winning run was against poorish teams and was masking obvious issues. The pass pro and running game is shambolic.

I agree with you guys on Flowers, there is no obvious progression with him. I know James Harrison was once good but he is 38 and has already retired once. Flowers made him look like LT out there at times, I was a huge fan of the pick but right now it is not looking like working out well.

We still have an awful lot of work to do to make the playoffs and you would fear for us if we come up against Seattle or Dallas once we get in, they would wipe us out.

Beefy78

Dallas are no good.

HigginsJ

Beefy78 wrote: »

Dallas are no good.

In what alternate universe is that, we were fairly lucky to beat them Week 1, Dak & Zeke have came on in leaps and bounds since then. They will wipe the floor with us.

Beefy78

We weren't lucky to beat them week one at all. We were the better team and should have won by more. I've not seen anything in their last four or five games which makes me worry about them. What have you seen?

krustydoyle

Any word on the injuries from Sunday yet??

Beefy78

krustydoyle wrote: »

Any word on the injuries from Sunday yet??

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/12/giants_injury_updates_jason_pierre-paul_to_have_mr.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

JPP to have a scan (I don't see how he can play that position with an injured groin...)

Looks like Snacks, Hankins & Sensabaugh will be ok. Harris banged up in numerous areas and to be honest I'm not sure how much we'd miss him at this stage if he missed a couple of weeks.

Knex*

Beefy78 wrote: »

We weren't lucky to beat them week one at all. We were the better team and should have won by more. I've not seen anything in their last four or five games which makes me worry about them. What have you seen?

An offensive line that allows them to dominate time of possession, wear down defenses, and put up points at the end of each half, regardless of how the 1st and 3rd quarter may have gone.

Their defense is below average, but it doesn't affect them so much because of their ability to run the ball on offense. They are a highly efficient offense as well. Dak is making the throws he needs to make, in a similar manner to Romo two years ago.

If we keep going three and out, it'll be a long, long day for us. Our offense will get our defense in a lot of trouble, I fear.

If Vereen is back, however, it could help us extend those drives, but hard to count on him after such a period out.

krustydoyle

JPP is out for Sunday.. No actual diagnosis for him yet

Edit : He's had surgery this morning and is gone for the rest of the season.. Sports hernia apparently

Beefy78

Huge blow. He's been having such a great season.