New York Giants Thread

HigginsJ

Eli Manning wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing Will Hill and Stevie out there this year.

I think TT is going to be a safety this year. With Ross and a bunch of nobodies as back ups we may look to get a corner somewhere in the draft. If we can fix the OLine and LB situation then that would be great from this year.

Really like our safety situation next year. Rolle and Mundy have experience and Stevie, Will Hill and Tyler Sash add great potential to the group.

Def see us taking a corner at some point in the draft. Webster, Amukamara, Hosley and Ross are not a bad group but wouldn't say no to Jonathan Banks, David Amerson or Brandon McGee later in the draft. I have no idea how TT will be. If he is able to contribute at all it'll be fantatic.

I wonder if we will draft anyone on the o-line. Kevin Boothe needs to be re-signed obviously and once fit they could bring back in Sean Locklear. We have 4 young guys that need to be given a shot. Selvish Capers, James Brewer, Matt McCants and my personal favourite Brandon Mosley are all relatively recent draft picks so the answer may rest with them.

wawaman

Eli is willing to do his bit !!!

Eli Manning is no fool. The two-time Super Bowl MVP wants the New York Giants and Victor Cruz to get a deal done.
The Giants haven't asked Manning to restructure his contract, which runs through 2015 and counts $21 million against the salary cap in 2013, but he's willing to do so if it helps the team keep Cruz.
"If the Giants want to work something out," Manning told The Associated Press on Wednesday, "I am always up for listening, figuring out what I can do to help the cause."
(Tom Brady might have said those same words about Wes Welker, but we won't go there.)
Manning knows what he has in Cruz. He's the only wide receiver since Manning became the starting quarterback to lead the Giants in receiving yards in consecutive years with 1,000-plus yard seasons. Only Plaxico Burress (2006 to 2007) has surpassed Cruz's 19 combined touchdowns over a two-year span in that time.
Manning said he wakes up every day checking the news in hopes that Cruz hasn't accepted another team's offer. The Giants already have taken a risk by placing a first-round tender on the restricted free agent.
Cruz recently changed agents and hired Tom Condon, who also represents Manning. The quarterback has urged Condon, via text message to, "Get this done!"

"I want Victor back with the Giants," Manning said. "It is nerve-wracking. He is anxious. He has been dealing with this contract issue for a long time, last year and into this year. I know he wants to get this settled and get back to playing football, and just worrying about that."

The Giants have to get this done. We always talk about draft and develop and keeping young pieces. Well, the Giants developed Cruz from an undrafted rookie into a 26-year-old Pro Bowl selection heading into his prime. How far apart can the two parties be?

HigginsJ

Apparently we are still in negotiations with David Diehl over a pay restructure/cut. This is utterly crazy. We could have saved $6.25 million against the cap had we cut him.

That would have been enough to re-sign Kevin Boothe, Sean Locklear and still have a bit left over. Really annoying.

Chris Snee has came out today and said he is willing to re-structure if it helps. Would be no harm as he is very well paid

Red Crow

HigginsJ wrote: »

Apparently we are still in negotiations with David Diehl over a pay restructure/cut. This is utterly crazy. We could have saved $6.25 million against the cap had we cut him.

That would have been enough to re-sign Kevin Boothe, Sean Locklear and still have a bit left over. Really annoying.

Chris Snee has came out today and said he is willing to re-structure if it helps. Would be no harm as he is very well paid

I'd be fairly confident of getting a deal done with Cruz now too. The only thing that may stand in the way is if Cruz doesn't mind getting paid the tender amount and he thinks he can grab more in FA.

You're right Higgins. DD is a real mind boggling situation. Why this guy hasnt been cut is beyond me. He's a liability and is only current trait is giving up a rusher on every down. I've a feeling that the only reason Diehl isn't moving on his contract is that he knows he's done in the league. He has absoltely no leverage and we will free up cap room even if we cut him. I hope he refuses and is cut.

I'd only be in favour of restructuring Snee if he's willing to take a pay cut. He's a guy coming off surgery this year and I'd rather not have any future cap problems with his contract.

Also good to see TC calling out JPP on his weight this year. I know the guy didn't get much help but he didn't really get going this year. Hopefully he comes into camp at an ideal weight and is ready to break Strahan's sack record.

HigginsJ

Eli Manning wrote: »

I'd be fairly confident of getting a deal done with Cruz now too. The only thing that may stand in the way is if Cruz doesn't mind getting paid the tender amount and he thinks he can grab more in FA.

You're right Higgins. DD is a real mind boggling situation. Why this guy hasnt been cut is beyond me. He's a liability and is only current trait is giving up a rusher on every down. I've a feeling that the only reason Diehl isn't moving on his contract is that he knows he's done in the league. He has absoltely no leverage and we will free up cap room even if we cut him. I hope he refuses and is cut.

I'd only be in favour of restructuring Snee if he's willing to take a pay cut. He's a guy coming off surgery this year and I'd rather not have any future cap problems with his contract.

Also good to see TC calling out JPP on his weight this year. I know the guy didn't get much help but he didn't really get going this year. Hopefully he comes into camp at an ideal weight and is ready to break Strahan's sack record.

Agree totally with Snee. He is not getting any younger and despite the whole pro-bowl thing I personally think Boothe is a better player.

Was a bit surprised to read about JPP today. I thaught he actually was ok apart from the lack of sacks. Apparently he and Tuck are going to be on the field pretty much every down this year and they are changing positions with Tuck at LE and JPP at RE. I also see this as reducing the likelyhood that we go DE in he 1st.

My suspicion at this stage is that we will be going CB in the 1st

Red Crow

HigginsJ wrote: »

Agree totally with Snee. He is not getting any younger and despite the whole pro-bowl thing I personally think Boothe is a better player.

Was a bit surprised to read about JPP today. I thaught he actually was ok apart from the lack of sacks. Apparently he and Tuck are going to be on the field pretty much every down this year and they are changing positions with Tuck at LE and JPP at RE. I also see this as reducing the likelyhood that we go DE in he 1st.

My suspicion at this stage is that we will be going CB in the 1st

I could see us definately going CB in the first 3 rounds anyway. JR went to Alec Ogletree's Pro Day today. I can see us going Alec Ogletree especially if Xavier Rhodes if off the board. I hope we take Mathieu if he's there in the third. Wouldn't mind seeing us get Jonathon Cooper either. One guy I hope falls to us in the second is Tank Carradine. He's going to be a beast in the NFL. He done his ACL but he's the best rusher in the draft. He'll probably drop off a bit due to his injury. It'll all depend on whether he works out in April or not.

HigginsJ

Eli Manning wrote: »

I could see us definately going CB in the first 3 rounds anyway. JR went to Alec Ogletree's Pro Day today. I can see us going Alec Ogletree especially if Xavier Rhodes if off the board. I hope we take Mathieu if he's there in the third. Wouldn't mind seeing us get Jonathon Cooper either. One guy I hope falls to us in the second is Tank Carradine. He's going to be a beast in the NFL. He done his ACL but he's the best rusher in the draft. He'll probably drop off a bit due to his injury. It'll all depend on whether he works out in April or not.

Yea I saw that Reese was at the pro-day today ok. Ogletree would be really exciting player to have on board. A proper play making LB would be a change.

Can't see Cooper or Rhodes falling to us but I wouldn't say no to Jonathan Banks.

100% agree on Carradine. My worry is that I have seen a few mocks recently where he is sneaking into bottom of the 1st so think he might be gone as well.

HigginsJ

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579038-victor-cruz-reportedly-offered-contract-in-excess-of-7-million-a-year-by-giants

Fantastic news (if true)

The big question is how have we came up $7 million in cap room?

Red Crow

Here's a few vids that may interest some of you guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dITvJEx2PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEa-AzO4EpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zr4Q_MNFso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcz03SuUpwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4BQHBj534

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaBbTpTL_k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjh0qYA3Xo

Like the videos if you enjoyed them! It's good work and it's nice to see some rookie highlights too.

HigginsJ

Thanks for those Eli

The David Wilson one is so encouraging. For see reason I never realised how much of a power runner he is. The speed is obvious but he can put some hurt on LB's too.

I have such high hopes for our offense next year (presuming Nicks is 100% and Cruz is back) I think Randle will have a massive season.

Red Crow

HigginsJ wrote: »

Thanks for those Eli

The David Wilson one is so encouraging. For see reason I never realised how much of a power runner he is. The speed is obvious but he can put some hurt on LB's too.

I have such high hopes for our offense next year (presuming Nicks is 100% and Cruz is back) I think Randle will have a massive season.

The staff apparently really liked Randle's work ethic last year and I think he's going to be a big player for us.

I think your dead right about Nicks.The guy is just amazing but can he stay healthy? I hope so. It LOOKS like Cruz will be back. Nobody is willing to give up a first plus they'll need to do a deal with a guy who's current revenue is mostly based on commercial deals in New York City. Right now it's rumoured that the Giants want to give him a long term deal @ 7M. However, Cruz, apparently, wants a 3 year deal.

I think that works for both sides. We get three more years of production from Cruz and he'll get to test FA before he's 30. Also as you've stated Higgins that Randle is a talent. Do we really want potentially $18m a year tied up in WR money with Nicks and Cruz for 6/7 years when we have guys like Randle waiting to step up.

I see Osi has also said that winning a SB in Atlanta would be better than in NY. I don't really get the guy. He moaned what seemed like every off season to get a deal and while the guy was a great player at one stage he's really gone off with these little injuries he's suffered. I wish him all the best but I think he's a little delusional saying that he's going to break Strahan's sack record and that he's going to be the Defensive PoTY. He's not getting near either of those tbh. I think Tracy and Ojomo will get more reps this year know he's gone and I look forward to watching them in preseason.

Ever since the fumble on day 1 Wilson has been solid and has gone from strenght to strenght. If I'm bored in work I might try and watch more tape of him. But I really like him. He's just going to get better hopefully.

HigginsJ

Some good news being reported on twitter that Kevin Boothe is back

Red Crow

HigginsJ wrote: »

Some good news being reported on twitter that Kevin Boothe is back

One year deal too which gives us time to find a long term solution at LG

HigginsJ

David Diehl has restructured final year of his contract to $1 million. This clears approx $3.5 million in cap space.

He has not had any additional years added so it seems a straight forward enough pay cut (I'm sure he has lots of incentives built in)

All I can say is about bloody time. He should have been cut but keeping him for $1 million is a good deal for the Giants.

Red Crow

More cuts to come too. We need about another $1M to sign the rookies and then whatever Cruz's first year cap hit is(I he signs a deal that is!)

In our top cap hits this year we have Eli, Snee, Tuck, Rolle, Webster, Baas, Kiwi. All of them bar Eli are overpaid.

Rolle, Snee and Tuck should be taking huge cuts tbh. If we cut them now does their salary due for 2014 count against the cap in 2014 and so on?

Kylo Ren

HigginsJ wrote: »

David Diehl has restructured final year of his contract to $1 million. This clears approx $3.5 million in cap space.

He has not had any additional years added so it seems a straight forward enough pay cut (I'm sure he has lots of incentives built in)

All I can say is about bloody time. He should have been cut but keeping him for $1 million is a good deal for the Giants.

Good deal for both parties. JR and co. are doing some stuff behind the scenes with all these restructurings.

Fair play to the players too. Alright, most of them were awful last year and deserved pay cuts but it would be easy to walk away and get a better deal somewhere else.


Ye probably know about this site but I'll link it just in case. Great website. http://overthecap.com/teamcontract.php?Team=Giants

Also we're wearing an alternate jersey in 2013. Hoping for the classic helmets!

wawaman

Keno 92 wrote: »

Also we're wearing an alternate jersey in 2013. Hoping for the classic helmets!

I think its that we are wearing white pants as opposed to the usual grey ! Although it would be great to see "GIANTS" on the helmet again, even for one game

wawaman

Chase Blackburn has tweeted that he will be joining the panthers

HigginsJ

We won't miss Chase from a playing standpoint but

Kylo Ren

Hixon is in talks with the Raiders. Terrible move if true. He'd make a solid #3 (considering we re-sign Cruz).

HigginsJ

Keno 92 wrote: »

Hixon is in talks with the Raiders. Terrible move if true. He'd make a solid #3 (considering we re-sign Cruz).

He'll be a loss as a reliable character. Think he would have been #4 as Randle is going o have big role

Kylo Ren

Panthers have a hard on for our players. Hixon is gone to them now. Kinda bummed he's gone.

We're looking at Julian Edelman as a replacement. He'd be a pretty good pick up for the right price.

HigginsJ

http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/4/3/4180914/mike-patterson-signs-with-the-new-york-giants-schedule-visit-with

Giants have signed Mike Patterson and Julian Edelman scheduled for 2nd visit.

If Edelman signs we are incredibly deep at WR.
Nicks, Cruz, Randle, Murphy, Edelman, Jernigan is an excellent bunch.

Not as sure about the DT situation.
Linval Joseph is a quality player.
Marvin Austin has the look of a bust. It's make or break this year.
Jenkins, Patterson & Rogers are back-up role players.
Markus Kuhn showed a bit of potential last year but has to bounce back from injury.

wawaman

The pre season schedule has been released:
Wk1: At Steelers
Wk2: Colts (Fox)
Wk3: Jets
Wk4: At Patriots

The regular season schedule is due later this month

pepperfoot

Payton has maybe another two years in him. and im nit sure in what level...he wont reapet his great abilty from last year..thats my take on it....and eli...well he is always great.

Son Of A Vidic

Keno 92 wrote: »

We're looking at Julian Edelman as a replacement. He'd be a pretty good pick up for the right price.

Be warned, he puts I into injury. The guy just can't stay healthy, it has been very frustrating for most of us Pats fans. Last year was going so well and then bang! Out he goes injured again. The only thing he has consistently shown in the last couple of seasons, was his ability to get injured. And that has scared off a lot of teams, but I would love to keep him if he could stay healthy.

HigginsJ

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Be warned, he puts I into injury. The guy just can't stay healthy, it has been very frustrating for most of us Pats fans. Last year was going so well and then bang! Out he goes injured again. The only thing he has consistently shown in the last couple of seasons, was his ability to get injured. And that has scared off a lot of teams, but I would love to keep him if he could stay healthy.

We are pretty strong at WR so he is well worth a shot to add some depth. If he can stay healthy he can battle it out for snaps with Louis Murphy and Jerrel Jernigan

Son Of A Vidic

If Edelman does join you guys, then the Pats will be going into the 2013 season with a bunch of WR's that have never caught a pass from Brady. :eek:

Red Crow

Anyone hear anything about any cheap jerseys?!

Kylo Ren

Jesus, they got in here too.

Sneaky little buggers. Bet they are Eagles fans.

wawaman

Its Jerry Jones. He has to find new ways of making money to pay Romo his wages on that crazy a$$ contract he has just given him

Red Crow

Eli has been working out with Nicks, Cruz and Murphy. It's strange that Randle isn't there. Also in complete contradiction to what I posted last week there are apparently serious concerns about Randle's work ethic. It may be the case that he has a prior engagement but you'd seriously think he'd be looking to get in all the practice he can. It has also come to light that Eli worked out with Randle privately in order to counter his poor work ethic. That doesn't sound good to me at all.

Son Of A Vidic

What's the craic with Cruz lads? They still banging heads over contract talks?

HigginsJ

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

What's the craic with Cruz lads? They still banging heads over contract talks?

He wants over $11 million, we have offered $7 million. On a positive side his relationship with JayZ's firm means he wants to stay in NYC.

Kylo Ren

Hon Jay-Z!

I got 99 problems but losing our slot receiver ain't one.

Knex*

11 million for Cruz would be crazy money IMO.

How long do you see this being dragged out for?

Son Of A Vidic

HigginsJ wrote: »

He wants over $11 million, we have offered $7 million.

$11 Million? :eek: Talk about being ambitious.

HigginsJ

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

$11 Million? :eek: Talk about being ambitious.

I blame the Dolphins & Mike Wallace (also Greg Jennings deal near $10 million a year)

Red Crow

It could be over anything. I suspect the lenght of the deal could be an issue too. I think he'll sign a deal because he wants to be paid more than $2.5M this year.

Son Of A Vidic

It's been a strange FA period, first you get the kind of money Wallce got. Then you get the likes of Welker getting beans. Even though I wasn't to surprised, to see an aging slot receiver not getting the value he thought he could. But in general across all the postions, there's a lot of players miffed they never got what they thought they could.

TO.

Cruz will eventually cave and re-sign with the Giants. He wont find the contract he wants anywhere else either. He will probably do the hold out of camp routine they all do and then realise in August staying put and signing what the Giants offer is best.

Knex*

Week 1 Giants at Cowboys, Sunday, Sept. 8, 8:30 p.m. (NBC)
Week 2 Giants vs. Broncos, Sunday, Sept. 15, 4:25 p.m. (CBS)
Week 3 Giants at Panthers, Sept. 22, 1 p.m. (FOX)
Week 4 Giants at Chiefs, Sunday, Sept. 29, 1 p.m. (FOX)
Week 5 Giants vs. Eagles, Sunday, Oct. 6, 1 p.m. (FOX)
Week 6, Giants at Bears, Thursday, Oct. 10, 8:25 p.m. (NFL Network)
Week 7, Giants vs. Vikings, Monday, Oct. 21, 8:40 p.m. (ESPN
Week 8 Giants at Eagles, Sunday, Oct. 27, 1 p.m. (FOX)
Week 9 BYE
Week 10 Giants vs. Raiders, Sunday, Nov. 10, 1 p.m. (CBS)
Week 11 Giants vs. Packers, Sunday, Nov. 17, 8:30 p.m. (NBC)*
Week 12 Giants vs. Cowboys, Sunday, Nov. 24, 4:25 p.m. (FOX)*
Week 13, Giants at Redskins, Sunday, Dec. 1, 8:30 p.m. (NBC)*
Week 14 Giants at Chargers, Sunday, Dec. 8, 4:25 p.m. (FOX)*
Week 15, Giants vs. Seahawks, Sunday Dec. 15, 1 p.m. (FOX)*
Week 16 Giants at Lions, Sunday, Dec. 22, 4:05 p.m. (FOX)*
Week 17 Giants vs. Redskins, Sunday, Dec. 29, 1 p.m. (FOX)*
* - indicates time is subject to change

Manning Bowl on Week 2. Can't wait!

wawaman

Strange the "Manning Bowl" isnt a Sunday night game. Wont complain tho with it being on earlier!

Kylo Ren

Wooooooooot Manning Bowl wooooooooot.

After least years schedule it looks great. A nice mix of good and bad teams. It also looks good geographically (besides SD).

Ah I cannot wait for the season.

pepperfoot

davied wilson is an ok pick - maybe not to go in the first round but he should be picked

Red Crow

pepperfoot wrote: »

davied wilson is an ok pick - maybe not to go in the first round but he should be picked

Give the guy a bit of time. It's early days yet

HigginsJ

No team attempted to sign Cruz to an offer sheet. Really hope he doesn't hold out, it's a lose/lose for everyone

Red Crow

HigginsJ wrote: »

No team attempted to sign Cruz to an offer sheet. Really hope he doesn't hold out, it's a lose/lose for everyone

If he holds out I'd get rid of him. I think he's slightly over rating himself here and if some other team wants to overpay for a slot guy then I can live with that. He's obviously been getting indications that someone else will pay him

boccy23

The following is a very rough guess at the 2013 season:

Week 1 Giants at Cowboys - Win
Week 2 Giants vs. Broncos - Win
Week 3 Giants at Panthers - Win
Week 4 Giants at Chiefs - Win
Week 5 Giants vs. Eagles - Lose
Week 6, Giants at Bears - Lose
Week 7, Giants vs. Vikings - Lose
Week 8 Giants at Eagles - Win
Week 9 BYE
Week 10 Giants vs. Raiders - Win
Week 11 Giants vs. Packers - Win
Week 12 Giants vs. Cowboys - Lose
Week 13, Giants at Redskins - Lose
Week 14 Giants at Chargers - Win
Week 15, Giants vs. Seahawks - Lose
Week 16 Giants at Lions - Win
Week 17 Giants vs. Redskins - Win

On the above basis we would be 10-6.

What does everyone think?

wawaman

You have us going 5-3 after the bye. You must have failed to take the annual Cough-lapse into account !!!!! Seriously tho, i think we will be doing very well to go 10-6.