Philadelphia Eagles Thread

Bandage

Is there any real substance to the Gruden chat, chaps? It seems like a certainty Reid will depart - whether that's at the end of the season or even before then - but who are realistic replacement options?

Bandage

Bandage wrote: »

Is there any real substance to the Gruden chat, chaps? It seems like a certainty Reid will depart - whether that's at the end of the season or even before then - but who are realistic replacement options?

There are a lot off the top if my head gruden ,chip Kelly ,rob Ryan (think hell become cowboys hc though) bill cower iv herd mentioned but can't see him coming out if retirement well have to wait a bit there will b people linked with us come seasons end

Itssoeasy

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000096148/article/michael-vick-foggy-and-fatigued-says-eagles-trainer

That doesn't sound great, for as much as he frustrates me on the field I don't want to see him or any player in the NFL badly injured.

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000096148/article/michael-vick-foggy-and-fatigued-says-eagles-trainer

That doesn't sound great, for as much as he frustrates me on the field I don't want to see him or any player in the NFL badly injured.

i dont think his play has been his fault when hes in marty calls lots of deep plays when foles comes on he calls screens,runs and short passes we should be calling them all the time with our line

i feel vick should sit out the season he still has a lot to offer a team(although i dont think hell be with us next year) but hes punch drunk i heard somone say hes been hit in the ribs and grabbed his head this is beyond being an issue with him being abel to play its becoming an issue with his long term health fact of the matter is he will probable die relativley young as is he needs to look after himself more from now on.

Pyjamarama

No point keeping Reid in now if the guy we want is out there... that was a joke. a sad sad joke.

Pyjamarama

Pyjamarama wrote: »

No point keeping Reid in now if the guy we want is out there... that was a joke. a sad sad joke.

shhh if we dont speak about it its like the game didnt happen

Itssoeasy

And why was shady in the game with less than two minutes to go ? I was watching and the camera view of him been driven off the field and his face had a look of the engine was running but nobody was behind the wheel. Scary stuff.

Andy Reid really does say the blindingly obvious in his press conferences.

Itssoeasy

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2012/11/dennis_kelly_questions_michael.html

At least someone has said it.

trying to look for a silver lining not a lot of it to be honest we have a shot at a matt barkley in the draft at least or should we go o-line hard to say i dont know enough about this draft class yet teo would be nice on defence but i think offence should probably be priority.

most important thing for me is getting in a hc with a bit of fire in his belly i still love andy ried for all hes done for us no sb but keeping us in contention so long is not easy but time for a change im not sure if we should bring someone in now and see how he finishes the year or just wait till the off season probably no good enough candidates around at the mo bar gruden but lurie said hes not a fan so that may not be happening

sad time to be an eagles fan losing because of lack of talent i can live with lack of heart hurts

Itssoeasy

Andy Reid's post game presser.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Reid-McCoy-Has-A-Concussion/6419c539-671c-429a-9ba4-4d3ff85db16d

Lesean has a concussion, so that leaves us with who ?

MattHelders

Its all about the draft lads, unfortunately

Have only seen one Eagles game this season as I work Sundays but this has been an absolute trainwreck

Itssoeasy

MattHelders wrote: »

Its all about the draft lads, unfortunately

Have only seen one Eagles game this season as I work Sundays but this has been an absolute trainwreck

That's one way of describing it. If Jeffrey Lurie had any sense he would fire reid before he gets back to philly and get a HC in who will have time to see what he wants to change and then draft in april. I agree that Andy Reid has done alot for the eagles but he is hurting the team at this point.

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy

Might aswell laugh about it.

johnmcdnl

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Lesean has a concussion, so that leaves us with who ?

Alex Henery - 16 straight FGs :pac:
Star of the team

shamrock55

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

shhh if we dont speak about it its like the game didnt happen

oh it happened alright come on the skins:D

shamrock55

shamrock55 wrote: »

oh it happened alright come on the skins:D

Skins fans coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden

sucks to be talking about the draft already but id love if we got a high enough pick for luke joeckel with him and peters hopefully coming back good as new our o-line would suddenly become a strenght something along the lines of

peters,mathias,kelce,herrimans,joeckel

with watkins able to come in would be pretty awesome put lesean behind that and we could tear it up

personally i would like either him or teo (dont think were gona get geno)

Ps: looks like a relatively ****ty draft this year especially compared to last year

any other eagles fans think this game is like deja vu

taidghbaby

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

any other eagles fans think this game is like deja vu

I'm not an eagles fan but I did watch the condensed version of last weeks game and yes I would agree that there are similarities!

taidghbaby

It is now exactly the same!

JerseyJoe

Nick Foles will get his second start on Monday night against the Panthers with Vick still not cleared to play/practice.

LeSean McCoy is also suffering a concussion, for ****s and giggles.

3-8, here we come.

JerseyJoe

JerseyJoe wrote: »

Nick Foles will get his second start on Monday night against the Panthers with Vick still not cleared to play/practice.

LeSean McCoy is also suffering a concussion, for ****s and giggles.

3-8, here we come.

3-8 could be our best scenario now 4 wins at the end of last year gave us a false hope 3-8 gives us a high draft pick and gets our players motivated to work there asses off during the offseason would you prefer that or to win out the rest if the year narrowly miss the playoffs keep andy ried on and rinse and repeat next year

this game could be interesting im looking forward to seeing what bryce brown can do with more carries looks like he could be a good complimentary one cut back to shady obviously he wont be shady but he looks like he has a lot of potential

im going to call the panthers for this because while they have not been great we've been terrible but i think the offense could play ok today

Itssoeasy

In the boards picks thing I for the first time picked against the eagles. I have no confidence in the team at the moment. 3-13 wouldn't suprise me one bit. I agree with Cassius Easy Burglar that winning out will give a false record and may give big red a change to stay. I'll watch some of it but all tonight.

I'll listen to 97.5 the fanatic and eagles.com for the pre game show.

Cassius Easy Burglar

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

this game could be interesting im looking forward to seeing what bryce brown can do with more carries looks like he could be a good complimentary one cut back to shady obviously he wont be shady but he looks like he has a lot of potential

im going to call the panthers for this because while they have not been great we've been terrible but i think the offense could play ok today

called it

Itssoeasy

15-14 eagles at the half and I fell asleep thinking a miracle was happening but no.

johnmcdnl

And DeSean is on injured reserved now as well. Why couldn't there be an Andrew Luck in college football this year :-(

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/67399/desean-jacksons-season-is-over

johnmcdnl

johnmcdnl wrote: »

And DeSean is on injured reserved now as well. Why couldn't there be an Andrew Luck in college football this year :-(

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/67399/desean-jacksons-season-is-over

I was thinking that last year we would have goten luck or at least rg3 looks like a pretty weak draft this year

Itssoeasy

Should we start banging our heads against a wall now or wait five more weeks ?

Itssoeasy

To add to Djax being on IR, Jason peters is on IR and Jason Babin has been realeased by the eagles.

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Should we start banging our heads against a wall now or wait five more weeks ?

were eagles fans probably should have started months ago we have a reputation to uphold and all that

Itssoeasy wrote: »

To add to Djax being on IR, Jason peters is on IR and Jason Babin has been released by the eagles.

pity like the guy but we needed to get our young players playing graham is looking more like a 1st round pick and vinny curry looked really good on monday.
also this probably means the end of jim Washburn and his wide 9 at the end of the year seems to be a guy that sticks with his guys (even wanted us to go after fat albert for a while) so i think this was done over his head




finally pretty pissed bryce brown didnt get one of the 5 nominations for rookie of the week
http://www.nfl.com/voting/rookies/2012/REG/12
ran for more yards and tds than both morris and richardson imo should have been ahead of everyone bar probably rg3 and tannihill

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000101960/article/cowboys-chargers-browns-jobs-would-be-among-best

thought we would be top job theres an argument for dallas and carolina ahead of us but i cant understand the rest

Itssoeasy

Babin picked up by the jags. That's a strange one as he goes from one awful team to another.

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Babin picked up by the jags. That's a strange one as he goes from one awful team to another.

they signed him off wavers so i dont think he had a choice as he was never a free agent

frostie500

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

they signed him off wavers so i dont think he had a choice as he was never a free agent

Yeah and the Jags go on the hook for the remainder of his contract too

Cassius Easy Burglar

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

also this probably means the end of jim Washburn and his wide 9 at the end of the year seems to be a guy that sticks with his guys (even wanted us to go after fat albert for a while) so i think this was done over his head

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102559/article/jason-babin-release-reportedly-upset-jim-washburn


next call is andy ried to be hired by the browns within 2 years of leaving us

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Report_Andy_Reid_could_become_next_Dallas_Cowboys_head_coach.html

really hope this does not happen i could see andy coming back to bite us in the ass

leggo

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Report_Andy_Reid_could_become_next_Dallas_Cowboys_head_coach.html

really hope this does not happen i could see andy coming back to bite us in the ass

Interesting one. You reckon there'll be bad blood when he goes, though? There'd really need to be for him to make that jump.

Like on one hand, you could see him taking it poorly that he was forced to face a public judgement of competence. But on the other...gah, the history he has with us! The Eagles have been his life for so long, could he really want to do damage to us after going through so much for us? And he's been allowed to coast on past successes for much longer than has been reasonable - he shouldn't have been around this season, but was kept on in good faith. Plus they've even supported him so much after the death of his son, they were happy to have him employ his son despite his past, etc.

There are also numerous other factors which we won't know about, obviously.

I hope he doesn't feel that way, it'd be a shame. I like Andy. I want to see him fired from his job with immediate effect...but I like him. He's done a lot for us and deserves a hero's farewell for that. So I'd hate if it all ended sourly.

Syferus

I don't think Reid owes anything to the Eagles if they fire him; he earnt his tenure through a head coaching career filled with play-off appearances and consistently competitive teams. Even the team he'll leave behind has plenty of scope for immediate play-off contention. The Eagles may discover just why they kept Reid so long when he's gone.

Why the heck not take a big money job, let alone one in a division where all his pre-existing experience can be best utilised? Out of loyalty to a team that just sacked him?

If Peyton Manning can be fired from the Colts Any Reid can coach the Cowboys.

Syferus

Syferus wrote: »

I don't think Reid owes anything to the Eagles if they fire him; he earnt his tenure through a head coaching career filled with play-off appearances and consistently competitive teams. Even the team he'll leave behind has plenty of scope for immediate play-off contention. The Eagles may discover just why they kept Reid so long when he's gone.

Why the heck not take a big money job, let alone one in a division where all his pre-existing experience can be best utilised? Out of loyalty to a team that just sacked him?

If Peyton Manning can be fired from the Colts Any Reid can coach the Cowboys.

i agree he does not owe us anything and personally i would not hold it against him but how did that work out for farve and lebron

Syferus

Cassius Easy Burglar wrote: »

i agree he does not owe us anything and personally i would not hold it against him but how did that work out for farve and lebron

Yeah, but why would he care? I'm sure Farve was thrilled with that 2009 season and Lebron is stoking his precious ring as we speak. In time they'll honour him either way. No one thinks of Joe Montana as a Kansas City Chief.

frostie500

Didnt see last nights game yet, I'll be watching it this afternoon, so I'm not going to pass comment on it but I did just see that Washburn has been fired too. No harm to Reid but what do we accomplish by getting rid of a Def Co-Ord and D-Line coach in the middle of the season.

There's far more wrong at the organisation than just these cogs and the likes of Babin. We're a shambles and while it's good that it's finally dawned on people to stop saying "we shouldn't have this record, we're too talented" the fact is that over the last two years we've been a joke.

Reid is on the way out, Im not going to criticise him, but his message was lost the last two years. It happens as you stay in the same job for years. No shame in it but unless he's looking to ensure that the next head coach has a top five draft spot this move is the latest in a series of questionable calls.

leggo

Last night's game wasn't our worst performance, but that's what made it all the more depressing. It was like having an open goal and missing. The Cowboys were the typical, enigmatic Cowboys...but they were there for the taking and yet we still found a way to lose. Typical really. It doesn't even phase me anymore, I was more concerned with my Fantasy team tbh.

I can genuinely see us going 3-13 at this stage, which is just not on when you have our talent pool and resources at your disposal. That loss will cut us deep and, given that we're running with rookies now who aren't experienced in bouncing back from disappointments like this, there's not much to look forward to until the draft.

Itssoeasy

Michael Vick bemoans Eagles O-line coaching changes

By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League editor
Published: Dec. 28, 2012 at 09:34 a.m. Updated: Dec. 28, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.

Michael Vick hasn't been nearly as effective in Philadelphia since his standout 2010 season with the Eagles. He traces some of his struggles back to the change of offensive line coach Juan Castillo to Howard Mudd.


"Because Howard and Juan are two totally different personalities and two totally different schemes," Vick recently told Zach Berman of the Philadelphia Inquirer. "And they like their own caliber of players. It was different. But we lost Juan to the defense, so I had to go with what I had to go with."

Vick, preparing for Sunday's tilt against the New York Giants in what should be his final game with the Eagles, was asked if the personnel scheme change affected him negatively.

"Obviously, yeah. Just being honest and candid about the situation," Vick said Thursday. "Things changed dramatically. It is what it is. ... We all kind of gradually worked our way into it until we got comfortable. I had to learn new protection schemes, verbiage. And we shuffled around a lot of players. So everybody had to start all over."

The offensive line changed players and schemes when Mudd arrived. Vick was asked to make protection calls in the system, which didn't work in 2011. The Eagles were going to have center Jason Kelce make the calls in 2012, but Kelce was lost to injury early in the season. Vick also had fewer run options.

"We mixed it as much as we could, and Marty got it called, and it was successful for us," Vick said, speaking about offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. "But we just stopped doing it. I don't know if that's what Coach Mudd wanted to do."

Vick said that "in hindsight" the old system worked out better for him. Vick is just trying to be forthright, but this comes across as finger-pointing on the way out the door. He's throwing Mudd under the bus.

There are a lot of people that don't seem thrilled with Mudd's work in Philadelphia, but Vick's failure as a leader to recognize his own short-comings and role in the team's demise is not a new problem.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.

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Itssoeasy

Reid not only Eagles coach facing uncertainty

Les Bowen, Daily News Staff Writer
POSTED: Friday, December 28, 2012, 12:40 AM
IT ISN'T JUST Andy Reid who presumably will have to pack up his office next week at NovaCare. The Eagles' media guide lists 14 assistants, from Bobby April to Mike Zordich, who serve on Reid's staff; there are a few others in entry-level spots who don't rate mention, and a building full of trainers, equipment managers, strength coaches, secretaries and the like who could be affected by the ripples from what everyone expects to be the first Eagles head-coaching change in 14 years, within a day or 2 after this Sunday's season finale at the Giants.

Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, the staffer closest to Reid, has been here since 2003. This is by far Mornhinweg's longest stop in a coaching career that began fulltime in 1988, when Mornhinweg's bad knee wouldn't let him be an Arena League quarterback anymore. Like Reid, Mornhinweg officially is only thinking about the Giants, not about what comes next. Unofficially, that would be ridiculous.

While the Giants game "is a great responsibility - this is important to many of our players," Mornhinweg, 50, said Thursday, and that is his priority, he also thinks about the fact that "three of my [four] children will have graduated from high school right here in Philadelphia - one at Friends Select, right in the city, my oldest daughter [Madison], who's at Penn. My oldest son [Skyler], St. Joe's Prep, he's down there [on the football team] at Florida. My third [Molly Lynn] will graduate from Penn Charter this year. We all think we're West Coast people - heck, my kids are from Philadelphia. In fact, I was talking about that at Christmas with Molly. She's going off to college next year. I said, 'When people ask you where you're from, what will you say?' She said, 'Oh, I'm from Philadelphia.' "

Mornhinweg doesn't have much planned for next week, except maybe going down to New Orleans to watch his son's Gators play Louisville in the Sugar Bowl.

"Sometimes, the end is the beginning of something new," said Mornhinweg, who also reflected that coaching is the only job he has ever held, other than playing, since "working at the gas station in South San Jose in high school."

Four of those 14 coaches were on Reid's original staff in 1999. (I'm including defensive-line coach Tommy Brasher, who retired in 2005 and returned when Jim Washburn was fired Dec. 3). Running-backs coach Ted Williams, 69, actually predates Reid, having come aboard in 1995. It isn't clear that all the position coaches will be jettisoned by a new coach; typically, one or two are retained, but there's no way of predicting who might survive.

"Very important, oh my gosh!" running back LeSean McCoy said, when asked about the importance of Williams and his assistant, Duce Staley, to McCoy's development. "Hopefully, those guys are still there."

Tight end Brent Celek arrived as a fifth-round draft pick in 2007. Six years in the NFL, Celek's only position coach has been Tom Melvin, now 51, who arrived with Reid in 1999 (as did wide-receivers coach David Culley, 57).

"You hope it doesn't happen," Celek said Thursday, when asked about the possibility of a new tight-ends coach. "We'll see what the end of the season brings us. It's not our decision . . . Not only do you get to know the person [when a staff and players are together a long time], you get to know their families, their kids, wives. We as players, a lot of us don't have that; something happens to us, it's easy to transplant. For them, it's more drastic. You feel for 'em."

For several Reid assistants, this has been the only NFL coaching job. That's true for Melvin, for linebackers coach Mike Caldwell, who arrived in 2008, for defensive quality control coach Bobby April III, hired in 2011, for offensive quality control coach Matt Nagy (2010), for quarterbacks coach Doug Pederson (2009), special-teams quality control and assistant running-backs coach Staley (2010), and Zordich (2009), who coaches the safeties.

Even if you've moved before, the prospect of being dismissed and having to look for a job again is gut-wrenching. Defensive coordinator Todd Bowles has worked for five teams and came here just last winter, after finishing the 2011 season as interim head coach in Miami. Before that, Bowles, 49, said he always got to choose when he was leaving a team.

"It's different," said Bowles, who said he supposes he'll be able to take his kids to and from school for a change next week. "It's tough, as a competitor . . . You don't get used to it, but you can't control it, so you don't try to kill yourself over it."

Special-teams coordinator Bobby April said Thursday he doesn't think coming into the year knowing Reid was on the hot seat affected the staff. "You always walk the plank as a coach," he said. "No one's infallible."

April told a story about how he was recruiting the Dallas area for USC when the Cowboys fired Tom Landry in February 1989. April was supposed to be reading newspaper stories about high school stars, but his attention wandered to the adjacent stories and columns about the demise of the man who built the Cowboys into America's Team. "I couldn't believe it," he recalled.

"I've said it before, you never want too much security," April said. "Too much security, you get too complacent."

April, 59, was widely regarded as the best special-teams coach in the NFL when the Eagles hired him in 2010. That reputation has not been burnished here. What does his future hold?

"I have no idea," April said. "I hope it's good. I like living in the neighborhood over here on 20th Street. It's a good place, plus the city's a great place, and the organization's great.

"But I don't know. I have no idea. I couldn't tell you."

" @LesBowen

It's easy to forget that Reid may be the head coach but there is a whole coaching staff under him that may be in trouble.

most of the coaching staff are as guilty as him marty is a terrible offensive coordinator bobby april has not done a lot don't know enough about the specific positional coaches but I feel cleaning out house and freshening up the faces will do us a world of good

Donovan gets a shot in the fan base as a whole probably deserve it

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000118313/article/donovan-mcnabb-its-not-that-easy-to-make-playoffs#