Clan map - Who is around us

Fionn Mc Coule

Smell Badda wrote: »

Naw, they just think we're pussys Dub, and don't deserve to be on the land we do have.

Not that long ago bruffio told us the German clans in the blue alliance wanted to attack us, only the scorpions refused they would have , so making out my message pissed off the Germans in the blue alliance tells me 2 things, 1st the Germans in the blue alliance are just using that as a pathetic excuse, 2nd someone is trying to pass of blame on me to either cover up a mistake they made or make out they are the ones that doing more that others to resolve the situation. :mad:

Dublin_Gunner

Fionn Mc Coule wrote: »

Up to yesterday you were the one, the only 1 adamant that we would not stab the french in the back, you were the one that went on about honour. WTF?

Because it seemed that it was worth it at the time, but all its done is lose us 3 provinces, and they really pissed me off yesterday in discussions.

They are completely unwilling to to anything for us apart from use us to block one side while they were getting attacked.

Fionn Mc Coule wrote: »

Not that long ago bruffio told us the German clans in the blue alliance wanted to attack us, only the scorpions refused they would have , so making out my message pissed off the Germans in the blue alliance tells me 2 things, 1st the Germans in the blue alliance are just using that as a pathetic excuse, 2nd someone is trying to pass of blame on me to either cover up a mistake they made or make out they are the ones that doing more that others to resolve the situation. :mad:

Personally, if it keeps the Germans and by addition the Greys off our back, i'm for it.

I also don't think we're gonna win on CPC's land tongiht either. They are a strong clan, and its a map we've never played.

Not only that, but we will then be attacked separately by them and HTPS tomorrow, and could potentially be left with nothing.

All over an agreement that really means nothing to anyone in the long.

We need to start being opportunistic to get anywhere.

We are constantly making agreements that allows other clans to do what they want - and for what??

It'll all sort of gone tit's up on us anyway, and we could be off the map by tomorrow night if we're not careful.

Dublin_Gunner

Fionn Mc Coule wrote: »

Dub dont you go throw that sh*t at me , making out i am the cause of having to give the scorpions Hauts-Bassins, we talked about giving them that land last night and agreed to do so, all of us. :eek::mad:

It wasn't a requirement before that. Bruff had to calm them down.

Smell Badda wrote: »

Why dont we wait till the 501 do their little land swap with the Hungarian's and just roll down through the Hungarian land?

The French don't really care about the Hungarians either.

Sure we might get an attack tonight. But we only have to hold upper west ghanna to be able to make our move tomorrow. Oh, and we may need a chip to be placed to space out the time between attack and departure.

My main reasons for this are twofold:

1. CPC are very strong, just as strong in numbers as us, they most likely have nearly all of their tanks too.

In other words, we are NOT guaranteed to take it.

2. 501 and HPTS are swapping land. This was never an option for us with 501, and they are moving allowing our southern flank to be exposed.

As they are having encounter battles with each other on 2 separate provinces, they are likely doing this so not only do 501 get a place to rest their tanks in safety, but HPTS would definitely attack us if we attack CPC.

3. Likely to be very few chips each placed down because they need them, so we could hopefully waltz in and take it.

ZZR1100

we need to get a handle on this as we are just going around in circles and it will lead to a bust up imo.
everyone has a differant opinion and opinions from anyone are welcome, but leave it to the guys who are supposed make the decisions make them.


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Fionn Mc Coule

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

And mostly due to the effing agreement we have with the French, while they do nothing for us, but are happy to swap territory with their mates HTPS.

We're being used buy the French, just like little pawns, yet people are getting up in arms about it.

We need to take opportunities just like RDA and SIEG did, or we'll always be looked on as pushovers.

Ok
1st YOU signed the alliance with the French.
2nd up to yesterday you were the 1 telling us we would honour our alliance.
3rd people, as in everyone except you in the meeting yesterday said we didnt want to be known as a dishonorable clan for breaking the alliance, YOU created. (refer to 2)
4th yesterday what did you think of what RDA and SIEG done. hatefull bast**ds was 1 thing u used to describe their actions.

Dublin_Gunner

We've already been discussing it Frag, I was basically just putting up my reasons / opinions on it.

We're still undecided.

I don't want it a case of us leaving it too late and missing an opportunity,

Everyone seems to think we'll just turn up against CPC and win.

Smiles35

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

501 and HPTS are swapping land. This was never an option for us with 501, and they are moving allowing our southern flank to be exposed.

This is what I'm saying, go down the southern flank.

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

3. Likely to be very few chips each placed down because they need them, so we could hopefully waltz in and take it.

That's true

Fionn Mc Coule

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

It wasn't a requirement before that. Bruff had to calm them down.

You know what i am getting pissed off now, here is what i said to the SIEG diplomat. Now you read through that and tell me where i was wrong, actually as a DC and the fact i was in the talks with SIEG did i not have the right to ask why they acted like they did.

Fionn_Mc_Coule  I can see now that your clan are not honorable
Fionn_Mc_Coule  diplomatic discussions were in place, you did not return to inform us of your decision
Fionn_Mc_Coule  You have an explination?
Fionn_Mc_Coule  Do you remember the diplomacy the japanese gave the Americans before pearl harbor, sound familiar?
Sencu  you have to ask steinmann he said to me i should wit about the desicion of huhn
Sencu  and i didn't got any message from steinmann or huhn i could deliver
Sencu  and now watch you tongou
Fionn_Mc_Coule  but u attack 501s
Fionn_Mc_Coule  why u attack them without knowing what HUHN intended
Fionn_Mc_Coule  You more or less said yesterday that you would not attack 501s
Sencu  i said i didn't know that doesn't mean that my commander didn't made a desicion aftar i left your ts is was going to sleep
Fionn_Mc_Coule  could have got someone to contact us today
Sencu  hmm thats not fair
Sencu  and i thought ther could be an agreement made
Fionn_Mc_Coule  no mate saying u would contact us and not, thats not fair
Fionn_Mc_Coule  i am not blaming u personaly
Sencu  i would have if i know i was until is was goning to sleep in your ts
Sencu  i know
Sencu  not telling you was not the respectfull wey of fighting
Fionn_Mc_Coule  but i lost all respect for your clan and for the gray
Fionn_Mc_Coule  alliance
Sencu  i can understand that sry all i can do is say sry from my side
Fionn_Mc_Coule  Sorry from you i accept
Sencu  even thought i said yesterday somone should inform you if somtghing is descided
Fionn_Mc_Coule  from your caln never
Fionn_Mc_Coule  all current dealings with other clans will be shown the save messages and told how HUHN, RDA, ITA and SIEG do their buisness

So if you want to make out it was me that caused our current problem because of that then f**k it, demote me or kick me, but i will not have anyone try to make themselves look better at my expense.

Dublin_Gunner

Fionn Mc Coule wrote: »

Ok
1st YOU signed the alliance with the French.
2nd up to yesterday you were the 1 telling us we would honour our alliance.
3rd people, as in everyone except you in the meeting yesterday said we didnt want to be known as a dishonorable clan for breaking the alliance, YOU created. (refer to 2)
4th yesterday what did you think of what RDA and SIEG done. hatefull bast**ds was 1 thing u used to describe their actions.

Its a NAP Fionn, not an alliance, and there's nothing official apart from an agreement with Markenry or whatever his name is.

I have no problem honouring any agreement once its for our benefit.

We won't be known as a dishonourable clan, in fact, I really doubt any of them give a toss what we do.

4 - I wanted to go and retaliate if you remember correctly Fionn. But every seems to bloody concerned with keeping everyone else happy.
The time has come, as I was saying last night, to stop bending over because some french / german / whatever clan says they won't be our friends.

Seriously WTF??? They all want us to do their bidding, and are unwilling to do anything in return. In other words its like were paying them all off so they won't attack us.

Its time for US to do what WE want, in a manner beneficial to the clan.

The French have served their purpose, done nothing for us in return, are unwilling to allow us expand.

They are now very weak, they are swapping territories etc to try get some time to get some tanks back.

Sticking with them any longer is dangerous for our health - we should take the opportunity now and remove them off the map.

This territory swap they have going on is a perfect opportunity to gain land at what could be a potentially minimal loss - plus its the land we they wouldn't 'let' us take from R_R.

And another thing, SIEG and their bunch of w@nker mates all seem to want to attack the French - if we let that happen without taking some of that territory, we'll have ll those right next door to our land, and we'll have little opportunity to go anywhere because of all the poxy agreements between Grey & Blue alliances.

We need to act now, and gain a bit more land, or we can continue having 1 battle per night, not get anywhere and fade away.

I fact I think we should attack the French at the 2 zones near, before Scorpions come in and we have all this pussy footing again not being able to move.

Smiles35

Nah Dub, the way I see it is, we had one thing to do was watch the back of the French and we failed because we let ourselves get caught up in a silly plan to get the germans up the coast. (I loved it because it gave us a bit of purpose in the game.)

The French are naturally bossy, that's not their fault. I've had enough shame for a week allowing RDA to get a piece of us. No more, holiday time.

Fionn Mc Coule

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Its a NAP Fionn, not an alliance, and there's nothing official apart from an agreement with Markenry or whatever his name is.
You told us it was an alliance

I have no problem honouring any agreement once its for our benefit.

Well all the rest of us want to honour the agreement because its the right thing to do

We won't be known as a dishonourable clan, in fact, I really doubt any of them give a toss what we do.

Yes we would, if not by any others then by ourselves, as i said i will not stay in a clan or fight for anyone that is selfish minded and not willing to honour an agreement.

4 - I wanted to go and retaliate if you remember correctly Fionn. But every seems to bloody concerned with keeping everyone else happy.
The time has come, as I was saying last night, to stop bending over because some french / german / whatever clan says they won't be our friends.

Yea so did we all in the start, now u say we shouldn't bend over backwards or care about others yet above you say we need to keep the blue alliance calmed for our benefit.?

Seriously WTF??? They all want us to do their bidding, and are unwilling to do anything in return. In other words its like were paying them all off so they won't attack us.

Its time for US to do what WE want, in a manner beneficial to the clan.

The French have served their purpose, done nothing for us in return, are unwilling to allow us expand.

They are now very weak, they are swapping territories etc to try get some time to get some tanks back.

Sticking with them any longer is dangerous for our health - we should take the opportunity now and remove them off the map.

This territory swap they have going on is a perfect opportinity to gain land at what could be a potentially minimal loss - plus its the land we they wouldn't 'let' us take from R_R.

And as far as the last few, we all said, we didnt want to attack the french and break the agreement yet you keep going on and on and on, all the DCs said we are not attacking the FRENCH so no matter how much you want to attack them its not going to happen so forget about it and leave it be.

thats about it

Dublin_Gunner

Smell Badda wrote: »

Nah Dub, the way I see it is, we had one thing to do was watch the back of the French and we failed because we let ourselves get caught up in a silly plan to get the germans up the coast. (I loved it because it gave us a bit of purpose in the game.)

The French are naturally bossy, that's not their fault. I've had enough shame for a week allowing RDA to get a piece of us. No more, holiday time.

Our protecting of the Fench put us in the poxy position we're in now.

We need to take land before we're cleared off the map.

Dublin_Gunner

Fionn Mc Coule wrote: »

thats about it

You don't tell me what to do Fionn. And not all the DC's happen to agree on it either.

We're turning into everyones pushovers. If we don't take the land, the Grey's will, and we'll be next. All the while sitting on our 2 zones of land afraid to do anything in case someone gets annoyed.

I really don't see what the big deal is. Its an agreement I made, you're right, but now you seem to think its your decision to continue it or not?


We need to be doing things that are of a benefit to our cla, not trying to be everyones friend.

Nody

We got three ****ty pieces of land; attacking the 501s are not going to suddenly give us better land nor more of it. Attacking the 501s first will guarantee that we'll have at least two clans on our necks (501s and Hungarian Pirates) if not SIEG and a couple of other clans as well.

At this stage the only thing of value we can get out of this cluster**** situation is that we're seen as a reputable clan that stick to our word.

Dublin_Gunner

I seriously think people are forgetting this is a game.

Alright, I please you all.

I'll send chips into CPC, and lock down the rest.

We'll lose, and then we'll be too afraid of annoying someone else to attack anywhere else and end up doing nothing for a week - provided we're not knocked of.

Hardly my idea of showing people we're a strong clan.

We need to play the game - but seriously if our idea of CW is going to be NAPping with everyone and sitting around, because we have no balls, we're seriously going to have to consider why we bother at all.

bruffio

all this **** has to and better stop now
its ripping us apart
its no ones fault we all made and make mistakes
we learn we move on
about haut bassins, we agreed last night t give it away and the reason they want it is to join in attacking the french

i still stick by my opinion is that its too much work in south west africa for no reward if we got kicked out od it i9d be more than happy

BUT
ALL THIS IN FIGHTING HAS TO STOP, THIS AINT A DAILY RAG TO DIRTY PEOPLES NAMES OR ATTACK ANYONE WITH IN THE CLAN AND SHOULD ALL EITH COME ON TS VOICE OPINION OR SAY NOTHING TOO MUCH IS SAID IN SHADOWS

WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING AND THAT IS TO WIN AND MAKE THE CLAN SUCCESSFUL SO WIND THE NECKS IN PUT IT BEHIND US AND MOVE ON

Smiles35

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I seriously think people are forgetting this is a game.

Alright, I please you all.

I'll send chips into CPC, and lock down the rest.

Why are we sending chips in CPC when we have no idea which way they want to try first?

Fionn Mc Coule

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

You don't tell me what to do Fionn. And not all the DC's happen to agree on it either.

I did not tell u to do anything, i asked you to stop dictating, this is a clan where the majority rule. If you want to find out the truth get a vote and we will see.

We're turning into everyones pushovers. If we don't take the land, the Grey's will, and we'll be next. All the while sitting on our 2 zones of land afraid to do anything in case someone gets annoyed.

I really don't see what the big deal is. Its an agreement I made, you're right, but now you seem to think its your decision to continue it or not?

Yes it is my decision as it is Daves, bruffios, Dans, DOTCs and every other member of the clan, NOT just yours.

We need to be doing things that are of a benefit to our cla, not trying to be everyones friend.

All i see is you want to do it your way and you keep going on about it no matter what was decided last night

as far as the thats about it it was aimed at what i had to say in answer.

Dublin_Gunner

Smell Badda wrote: »

Why are we sending chips in CPC when we have no idea which way they want to try first?

Because that's what was decided.


But, I probably won't be around for the 'battle' this evening. Its utterly pointless and more than enough people will be on.


Bruff / Fionn - you guys place the chips where you want.


Actually Fionn, I think you'll find the book stops with me on EVERY decision. And no, every member doesn't have a say in what we decide.

But if you guys are willing to be a pathetic, napping, soft touch of a clan, you needen't bother with your vote Fionn.

At least 15 members might get a game tonight.

cro_bully

Everybody calm down and solve this on TS because you're just fighting here.

[DF]Lenny

we had a constructive clear the air meeting last night , where is all this coming from , lets do what we said we would & importantly play WOT

Dublin_Gunner

Oh, and we could only send 14 chips into CPC as there was one locked in Upper Western Ghana. Stupid game doesn't let chips 'pass through'.

Dublin_Gunner

Well done on Beating CPC tonight.

Fionn's tactics worked a treat I believe.

Nody

Lets start a new one, locking this thread.