10 Things You Hate About Gaming

ghostchant

Helix wrote: »

theyre all gamers, whether hardcore or casual

they all play games, so they're gamers

there are similar distinctions in everything. you can be a hardcore book reader, or a casual book reader. a hardcore football fan or a casual football fan. a hardcore drinker, or a casual drinker

but in each case everyone falls under the same umberella

Are fine-wine enthusiasts and alcoholics both hardcore drinkers?

Helix

ghostchant wrote: »

Are fine-wine enthusiasts and alcoholics both hardcore drinkers?

fine wine enthusiasts could be casual fine wine enthusiasts or hardcore fine wine enthusiasts

super_furry

Someone who reads is a reader, someone who watches TV is a viewer, someone who listens to music is a listener and someone who plays videogames is a gamer.

Don't see the fuss myself.

ghostchant

super_furry wrote: »

someone who watches TV is a viewer

And we all know what hardcore-viewers watch...

ShadowHearth

omfg i can believe people are arguing about this :eek: .

Myrddin

ShadowHearth wrote: »

omfg i can believe people are arguing about this :eek: .

Agreed, who actually gives a toss?

ghostchant

I'm a football fan and would hate to be associated with something like hooliganism or homophobia because of it. Being associated with the 'gamer' subculture is a fair enough thing to dislike about gaming in my opinion. Being called a 'gamer' can associate you with that, depending on who or what is referring to you as such (i.e. a self-confessed 'hardcore gamer' or a video game publisher's marketing department). Personally I don't mind it that much, but can see how people would be annoyed.

James Howlett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKIiUsbOO24

On the subject of being labelled a gamer: “It’s less embarrassing if I go “I masturbate to hardcore pornography.”

Some Quick Time Events can be quite excellent though - I feel the best use of this is in the Mass Effect series, particularly in the second and third, where they usually take place during cutscenes and how you respond/don't respond can alter how the game could progress.

Reekwind

It may be worthwhile splitting this 'gamer' debate into a separate thread...

Helix wrote: »

playing video games does, in fact, make you a gamer

So you are denying the existence of a 'gamer' culture?

Sharrow wrote:

But I think you are on the outside looking in and I respect that you want to be and that you don't' like what you see and some of the thinks you think you will be associated with but honestly be the change you want to be.

I'm very concious of this and it's sometime difficult to balance this out in a thread like this. So let me be clear: I have no trouble with most gamers themselves. If people want to call themselves gamers, while disavowing the more disturbing elements, then that is absolutely dandy with me

Personally I don't feel a connection with this community and I've seen enough that I don't really want to belong to it. This is my choice and it could well be my loss. What I do object to is the attitude that the merely mechanical act of playing a game automatically qualifies you as a member of this particular subculture with associated baggage

Doctor DooM

Reekwind wrote: »

Personally I don't feel a connection with this community and I've seen enough that I don't really want to belong to it. This is my choice and it could well be my loss. What I do object to is the attitude that the merely mechanical act of playing a game automatically qualifies you as a member of this particular subculture with associated baggage

Um... you are posting on an internet forum about games. You're involved in gaming culture.

But seriously, if you do something... you're someone who does something. Just because you've decided the word gamer has negative connotations in terms of the potential gamer subculture (which you seem, no offence, to be working off a very weird notion of, I am part of a gaming culture which is basically a very positive bunch of friends who play, drink, and travel together when our respective GFs let us out ) doesn't change the fact you are someone who plays games- therefore a gamer.

To turn something from earlier in this thread on it's head- someone who plays football is a footballer- whether he's a hooligan or not is totally another matter.

ghostchant

I play 5-a-side but I won't be describing myself as a footballer if I ever happen to meet Lionel Messi! Or even Paul McShane for that matter

Magill

ghostchant wrote: »

I play 5-a-side but I won't be describing myself as a footballer if I ever happen to meet Lionel Messi! Or even Paul McShane for that matter

You're a casual 5-a-side footballer

Helix

Reekwind wrote: »

So you are denying the existence of a 'gamer' culture?

what you're talking about is a subculture, not a sweeping gamer culture

just as there is a subculture of hooliganism and violence among football fans, there is a subculture among gamers that covers what you've been talking about. it's not "gamer culture" though. you don't have to think, speak or act a certain way to be a gamer - you only need to play video games

F1ngers

EnterNow wrote: »

Agreed, who actually gives a toss?

Hardcore tossers do, casual tossers are more meh about it.

Helix

back to the topic at hand, here's my list which, despite being numbered, is in no particular order

10) ultra fanboys - regular fanboys aren't so bad, there's usually a bit of common sense to be taken on board with them, but the militant ultra fanboys are so irritating that i just want to smack them in the face. it's consumer technology ffs, anyone can buy whatever they want. you having x instead of y doesnt make you a better person, it means you walked into a shop and bought something. that's nothing to be proud of. it's not an achievement.

09) reboots - some are fine. most are not. come up with something new.

08) sales charts - not the actual charts, but the state of them. have you people got no sense of taste at all? gobbling up whatever's got the biggest ad spend behind it like there was no tomorrow with absolutely no consideration for quality.

07) annual updates for sports games - don't get me wrong, each update usually makes the games quite a bit better, BUT there's really no need to be doing it annually. here's what SHOULD be done. release a game, say fifa 13 in 2012. it's got lots of new features and bells and whistles attached to it. begin work on the next game, with a 2 year development cycle. put a small team on regular free updates and patches for fifa 13. when fifa 14 would normally be released, offer fifa 13 owners a paid for update to bring them up to date with teams, transfers and any minor updates that have been built for the next game, but are compatible with this one. do not release a fifa 14. the next year, release fifa 15. repeat

06) people not understanding that reviews are opinions - you're fcuking morons.

05) inverse look not set as default - what kind of grotesque freak actually uses up to look up? it makes no sense. anyone who does this is wrong. and they're horrible people.

04) third person shooter sandbox games - unless they're done right, they're mindnumbingly boring after about an hour. a little focus goes a long way developers. opening things up might sound like the best thing ever, but it usually ends up the same way - people running around causing mayhem coz they can't be arsed doing anything creative, productive or interesting

03) motion control - it's stupid.

02) nintendo - they're dickheads. not their PR people mind; they tend to be lovely. but the actual company itself, mainly the japanese guys. they sure know how to make a good game though.

01) gamestop

While I agree with motion control, sports games game.stop, I don't really get the whole inverse look thing, can't tell if that's a joke? Why would you use down to look up?

James Howlett

Helix wrote: »

back to the topic at hand, here's my list which, despite being numbered, is in no particular order

10) ultra fanboys - regular fanboys aren't so bad, there's usually a bit of common sense to be taken on board with them, but the militant ultra fanboys are so irritating that i just want to smack them in the face. it's consumer technology ffs, anyone can buy whatever they want. you having x instead of y doesnt make you a better person, it means you walked into a shop and bought something. that's nothing to be proud of. it's not an achievement.

09) reboots - some are fine. most are not. come up with something new.

08) sales charts - not the actual charts, but the state of them. have you people got no sense of taste at all? gobbling up whatever's got the biggest ad spend behind it like there was no tomorrow with absolutely no consideration for quality.

07) annual updates for sports games - don't get me wrong, each update usually makes the games quite a bit better, BUT there's really no need to be doing it annually. here's what SHOULD be done. release a game, say fifa 13 in 2012. it's got lots of new features and bells and whistles attached to it. begin work on the next game, with a 2 year development cycle. put a small team on regular free updates and patches for fifa 13. when fifa 14 would normally be released, offer fifa 13 owners a paid for update to bring them up to date with teams, transfers and any minor updates that have been built for the next game, but are compatible with this one. do not release a fifa 14. the next year, release fifa 15. repeat

06) people not understanding that reviews are opinions - you're fcuking morons.

05) inverse look not set as default - what kind of grotesque freak actually uses up to look up? it makes no sense. anyone who does this is wrong. and they're horrible people.

04) third person shooter sandbox games - unless they're done right, they're mindnumbingly boring after about an hour. a little focus goes a long way developers. opening things up might sound like the best thing ever, but it usually ends up the same way - people running around causing mayhem coz they can't be arsed doing anything creative, productive or interesting

03) motion control - it's stupid.

02) nintendo - they're dickheads. not their PR people mind; they tend to be lovely. but the actual company itself, mainly the japanese guys. they sure know how to make a good game though.

01) gamestop

OMG, is this you?:)

ghostchant

Magill wrote: »

ghostchant wrote: »

I play 5-a-side but I won't be describing myself as a footballer if I ever happen to meet Lionel Messi! Or even Paul McShane for that matter

You're a casual 5-a-side footballer

Adding it to the CV tonight!

I concur with the non-default inverse look thing. Being able to change console settings to have it as default on all games with the option is a useful feature though. Is it just Xbox that has this?

Reekwind

Helix wrote: »

what you're talking about is a subculture, not a sweeping gamer culture

Well then you're just arguing over semantics

Star Lord

Reekwind wrote: »

Personally I don't feel a connection with this community and I've seen enough that I don't really want to belong to it. This is my choice and it could well be my loss. What I do object to is the attitude that the merely mechanical act of playing a game automatically qualifies you as a member of this particular subculture with associated baggage

TBH, if you play games, you are a gamer. Anything further to that is simply being way too concerned with other peoples possible perceptions about what you do.

CastorTroy

James Howlett wrote: »

OMG, is this you?:)

Not going by the comment about Nintendo, whatever they did.

I do agree about inverted look. Think of it as controlling a plane. You pull down on the stick to ascend. Nothing more annoying to start a game and you end up looking the wrong way.

And with all this talk of definition of gamer it made me wonder what do you call people who play tabletop games like Warhammer since isn't that stuff bought in gaming workshops?

Reekwind

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

TBH, if you play games, you are a gamer. Anything further to that is simply being way too concerned with other peoples possible perceptions about what you do.

So you would deny that there exists a distinct 'gamer' subculture? Because that is the implication of the argument that the mere mechanical act of playing games makes one a 'gamer'

Helix

Reekwind wrote: »

Well then you're just arguing over semantics

its hardly semantics to claim that the majority of people who play games aren't the people you're talking about

Helix

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't really get the whole inverse look thing, can't tell if that's a joke? Why would you use down to look up?

oh god. you're one of them?

you use down to look up because it makes logical sense. that axis controls the character's head, or simulates it. what way does the top of your head naturally go when you look up? it does down. and when you look down? it goes up

ive had this discussion with loads of developers actually, they rarely see the logic in it either

it's just so alien feeling

Helix

CastorTroy wrote: »

And with all this talk of definition of gamer it made me wonder what do you call people who play tabletop games like Warhammer

losers

Kinski

Helix wrote: »

03) motion control - it's stupid.

In contrast with this, and the likes of Yahtzee, I think motion controls aren't stupid in themselves, just badly implemented. I don't care what the naysayers claim, the combat in Skyward Sword is great, and tilting a controller to guide your character while doing things like gliding or diving makes a lot of sense.

Next gen, I'd like to see MotionPlus-type tech properly incorporated into "regular" controllers, and approached in the same way by developers as they would an extra couple of buttons or another analogue stick: it's there, make use of it, but ensure that it serves to deepen the experience, giving the player further and more responsive control, but don't build the whole game around it, or use it for gimmicky waggle stuff you could just assign a button for.

ShadowHearth

CastorTroy wrote: »

Not going by the comment about Nintendo, whatever they did.

I do agree about inverted look. Think of it as controlling a plane. You pull down on the stick to ascend. Nothing more annoying to start a game and you end up looking the wrong way.

And with all this talk of definition of gamer it made me wonder what do you call people who play tabletop games like Warhammer since isn't that stuff bought in gaming workshops?

i am prety sure on xbox you can put default on all games to start with inverted look.

one of the reasons i newer finished beyond good and evil hd - no inverted look. fecking does my head in!

Helix

CastorTroy wrote: »

Not going by the comment about Nintendo, whatever they did.

its just a general attitude thing. you won't find many in the industry who like them much

CastorTroy

I hear they're not great to work with but I also hear they've changed their ways and are very helpful with the Wii U. Guess they realised they had to move with the times. But I wouldn't have a reason to hate them personally.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

one of the reasons i newer finished beyond good and evil hd - no inverted look. fecking does my head in!

Ah crap! I got Beyond Good and Evil from PSN. Didn't realise they didn't have invert. Think it'll be easier to play with the controller turned around just so the camera's controlled correctly.
I think it's only in recent years that this became an issue. I'm sure games like Goldeneye and Mario 64 had the camera controls the way I like them.