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National Army Museum On-line vote for best commander the British faced - Collins link

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    Cardinal Richelieu
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    Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck got my vote. Often over looked part of WW1, surprised we have never seen his story on the big screen.


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    jonniebgood1
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    Maybe not a commander in the army sense but Gandhi had Britain at his beck and call.


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    Manach
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    A very diverse group - would have like to see at a Roman commander in there. As the Cardinal pointed out von Lettow-Vorbeck, had an amazing endevour in Africa during WWI.


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    Judgement Day
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    BurningWhiteHouse3-300x232.jpg

    George Washington gets my vote - damn colonials. Things have never been the same since they got their independence. Still at least we got our own back by burning the White House in 1814. :D


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    Cardinal Richelieu
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    You seem to be able to vote for as many of the candidates as you want.


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    CDfm
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    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    You seem to be able to vote for as many of the candidates as you want.

    I can only drop hints :pac:


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    MarchDub
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    CDfm wrote: »
    I can only drop hints :pac:

    Is there no way around the registration - or is that a must in order to just even vote?


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    MarchDub
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    BurningWhiteHouse3-300x232.jpg

    George Washington gets my vote - damn colonials. Things have never been the same since they got their independence. Still at least we got our own back by burning the White House in 1814. :D

    No consideration - and the White House was designed by an Irishman too!


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    CDfm
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    Is there no way around the registration - or is that a must in order to just even vote?

    Are you sure you are not going to waste your vote -lots of people are very confused about how they should vote :rolleyes:


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    MarchDub
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    CDfm wrote: »
    Are you sure you are not going to waste your vote -lots of people are very confused about how they should vote :rolleyes:

    That's always a confusion - or the consequences frequently are :eek:


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    dubhthach
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    No consideration - and the White House was designed by an Irishman too!

    Yes but from "Lowry country", thence the desire to build a "copy" with that proposed casino/race course (thankfully shot down)


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    CDfm
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    That's always a confusion - or the consequences frequently are :eek:

    Its best to go with the safe option.


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    MarchDub
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    OK - Voted for Collins. Looks like we need to get more votes for him lads. He is still in second place...


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    jonniebgood1
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    Its a fix to discredit Collins- Ataturk had little or no beef with the Brits in comparison!


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    CDfm
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    OK - Voted for Collins. Looks like we need to get more votes for him lads. He is still in second place...

    Just the one vote :eek:


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    MarchDub
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    CDfm wrote: »
    Just the one vote :eek:

    I take it that we can vote for as many candidates as we want, but not more than once for the same guy? Sounds counter-productive and maybe to Jonnie's point, that's the aim. That's all I see anyway - I don't get any '+' sign on Collins now that I have voted.


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    Cardinal Richelieu
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    I take it that we can vote for as many candidates as we want, but not more than once for the same guy? Sounds counter-productive and maybe to Jonnie's point, that's the aim. That's all I see anyway - I don't get any '+' sign on Collins now that I have voted.

    Yes. The Sunday Times last weekend mentioned they had put in software to prevent multiple voting on the same candidate especially as the Irish has prior history with internet polls. A practically unknown former Bray player was voted best soccer player in the world.


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    MarchDub
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    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    Yes. The Sunday Times last weekend mentioned they had put in software to prevent multiple voting on the same candidate especially as the Irish has prior history with internet polls. A practically unknown former Bray player was voted best soccer player in the world.

    Thanks - Not surprised. You know the Brits have a long history of either not liking the way we vote or just denying us the right altogether. ;)


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    eire4
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    Thanks - Not surprised. You know the Brits have a long history of either not liking the way we vote or just denying us the right altogether. ;)

    Haha I liked that one. I voted for Collins but he was trailing by 250 odd earlier this morning.


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    Cardinal Richelieu
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    eire4 wrote: »
    Haha I liked that one. I voted for Collins but he was trailing by 250 odd earlier this morning.

    It doesn't really matter at the moment, Collins has enough votes to qualify for the face off event.

    Leaderboard

    The top 5 go forward to

    NAM
    Enemy Commanders: Britain’s Greatest Foes is a celebrity speaker event taking place at the National Army Museum on Saturday 14 April 2012, from 10.30am to 5.30pm. The top five military leaders, as decided by our online poll, will be represented at this all-day event by five leading historians. The line-up of speakers will be announced nearer the time.

    It also seems that someone tried to crack NAM software on Paddies Day that's why they introduced registration. I wonder what nationality?

    NAM Statement
    On Saturday 17 March the National Army Museum (NAM) noticed unusually high levels of activity on the Britain's Greatest Foes section of its website. This was responsible for making the NAM site inactive for some time over the course of the weekend and it was therefore necessary to suspend the interactive elements (i.e. the voting).

    After initial investigation it became clear that the voting system had been compromised by a small number of users looking to automatically activate votes on some of the nominees. It was felt that this was not in the spirit of the competition and to the best of our ability we have isolated the legitimate votes from the auto generated ones and amended the results accordingly.

    Because of this activity it has become necessary for all users wishing to cast a vote to do so by first registering their name and email address.


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    jonniebgood1
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    Their poll makes me think in copycat fashion of a thread/poll here for Ireland greatest enemies. Candidates?

    It also makes me think that we dont have as many enemies as Britain!


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    MarchDub
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    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Their poll makes me think in copycat fashion of a thread/poll here for Ireland greatest enemies. Candidates?

    It also makes me think that we dont have as many enemies as Britain!

    There are sound historical reasons for that!


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    Judgement Day
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    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Their poll makes me think in copycat fashion of a thread/poll here for Ireland greatest enemies. Candidates?

    It also makes me think that we dont have as many enemies as Britain!

    Historically - Oliver Cromwell, General Sir Hugh Tudor (last C in C of the RIC) and in charge of the 'Black and Tans'.

    Today - Chinese President in waiting Xi Jinping, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and, of course, President Putin in his 'new' USSR.

    Thread might be better in Ranting + Raving - or maybe it will be okay if I keep out if it. :D


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    Fratton Fred
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    MarchDub wrote: »
    Thanks - Not surprised. You know the Brits have a long history of either not liking the way we vote or just denying us the right altogether. ;)

    I think todays publication of the Mahon report would suggest the Brits may have a point!


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    MarchDub
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I think todays publication of the Mahon report would suggest the Brits may have a point!


    Oh yes, Fred and we all know how open and honest the Brits have always been in their election dealings both within Britain and with others - wonder what all that 'election reform' in Britain was about then? Or - just picking randomly - how about Churchill's and Sir Percy Cox's meddling in Middle East elections so as to get the 'right' result?


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    dubhthach
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Historically - Oliver Cromwell, General Sir Hugh Tudor (last C in C of the RIC) and in charge of the 'Black and Tans'.

    I'd put Lord Mountjoy and General Lake in front of Tudor personally.


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    CDfm
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I think todays publication of the Mahon report would suggest the Brits may have a point!

    Tut tut.

    Michael Collins made sure that women had equal voting rights to men from independence in 1922 , British women under 30 had to wait until 1928.

    Anyone who doesn't vote for Collins is anti-womens rights.


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    jonniebgood1
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    CDfm wrote: »
    Tut tut.

    Michael Collins made sure that women had equal voting rights to men from independence in 1922 , British women under 30 had to wait until 1928.

    Anyone who doesn't vote for Collins is anti-womens rights.

    Women in Turkey under Ataturk only got voting rights in 1930 http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/suffrage.htm .

    Collins 1- Ataturk 0.


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    Manach
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    Re: our own enemies, let us not merely confine ourselves to the English - technically their could be Anglo-Norman contenders as well as Viking kings.


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    CDfm
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    Manach wrote: »
    Re: our own enemies, let us not merely confine ourselves to the English - technically their could be Anglo-Norman contenders as well as Viking kings.

    Where would those Irish who took advantage of surrender and regrant fit ?

    http://www.kavanaghfamily.com/articles/2002/20021101jfc.htm


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