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Muslims asked to remove headscarves for new Garda card

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  • #402
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Ah but sure the protectors of "cultures" will try to convince you that's an urban myth.....

    Convince him whats an urban myth?


  • #403
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Nodin wrote: »
    Convince him whats an urban myth?

    His entire post probably......


  • #404
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    His entire post probably......

    It's a barely coherent rant referencing a number of unconnected things. None of them are too recognisable as an "urban myth", though I do believe they probably are some form of fairy story. If you can show otherwise, feel free.


  • #405
    marozz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭marozz


    Nodin wrote: »
    There are bars and drink available in Syria, Dubai, Iraq......

    Is there some point you're trying to make?


    There may be bars in and around certain embassies in Saudi Arabia but if you do consume alcohol, you are breaking local law. Consumption of alcohol can lead to getting a few weeks or months in prison.

    Muslims being asked to remove their headscarves or hijab for offical photographs is not an unreasonable request, but if some women are concerned, and the Gardai have no issues or problem with wearing a hijab, then so be it.

    On the other hand, if a devout christian had to have an immigration photo taken in Saudi Arabia and posed wearing a cruxifix around his or her neck, they would, at the very least be ordered to remove it. If they refused they would probably be deported.


  • #406
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    marozz wrote: »
    There may be bars in and around certain embassies in Saudi Arabia but if you do consume alcohol, you are breaking local law. Consumption of alcohol can lead to getting a few weeks or months in prison.

    Muslims being asked to remove their headscarves or hijab for offical photographs is not an unreasonable request, but if some women are concerned, and the Gardai have no issues or problem with wearing a hijab, then so be it.

    On the other hand, if a devout christian had to have an immigration photo taken in Saudi Arabia and posed wearing a cruxifix around his or her neck, they would, at the very least be ordered to remove it. If they refused they would probably be deported.

    I never mentioned Saudi Arabia.


  • #407
    marozz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭marozz


    Nodin wrote: »
    I never mentioned Saudi Arabia.


    True :o


  • #408
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    Show Time wrote: »
    if you want to blame anyone look no further than Mary Robinson as she opened the door first day to let them in.

    How, the president has no legislative power.
    FF were in power from 1997 to 2011.


  • #409
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    wendell borton wrote: »
    How, the president has no legislative power.
    FF were in power from 1994 to 2011.
    Really, so you just airbrushed the rainbow coalition out of our political history! nice trick.


  • #410
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    No. Saudi has a very different system for making laws to us. Their legal system is based on islamic religious law. Our legal system is based on democracy, individual freedom and individual rights.

    What they do is completely irrelevant to what we do. Tit for tat law making or comparison's are simply ridiculous.

    We make rules for our citizens based on our needs as a society. Generally speaking we try to make them as few, as unrestrictive and as equal as possible. The rules we make are to achieve a specific outcome be it big (don't kill people) or small (provide a photo that meets these guidelines so we can identify you).

    The rule either is necessary or it isn't. If it's necessary, it should apply to everyone, we're equal citizens of a democracy. If it's not then it needs to be revisited. Allowing little loopholes here and there for religion is to my mind lazy practice. Get to the heart of the rule and the problem that's arising and if it's appropriate fix that.

    That was my point. In saudi the rules are made without consideration for anyone.

    You don't have to take off a hijab off for passports. There's no actual need for people to take it off (it's still possible to identify someone quite easilly so long as their face is visible). So if we're forcing them to wear it for a garda card, then it's for cultural reasons, not for practical reasons. And we're making them follow a rule that is not nessecary without any consideration for them. People might say why should we consider them? But if we fail to pay minor consideration to one of the worlds largest religions, then we're just as bad as countries like saudi.

    Unlike a lot of people here (and I'm not directing this at you) I don't have a rabid hatred of religion (Although I am an athiest). So long as it doesn't impact anyone negatively, I don't see why we shouldn't make exceptions for people based on religion, culture, age, disability, sexual orientation or whatever. It's the same reason I don't believe that off licenses should be closed on good friday. It certainly doesn't help anyone by closing them and it's no worse than opening it any other day.
    I look at this from a practical standpoint unlike the guys who hate it because they hate immigrants or hate religion. It's strange to think that both of them think they're rationalists but really they're both just extreamists locked into a worldview that has no consideration for anyone else.


  • #411
    flipper87
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭flipper87


    When I was in Iran I only had license to drive a one humped camel, but I drove the two humped one anyway. **** the system!!!


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  • #412
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I should add btw, If this did have practical implications, like for example a burka, then my opinion would be different. Let's face it, a photo ID of someone is a mask is just silly.


  • #413
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Nodin wrote: »
    It's a barely coherent rant referencing a number of unconnected things. None of them are too recognisable as an "urban myth", though I do believe they probably are some form of fairy story. If you can show otherwise, feel free.

    Bang on form as usual I see Nod. Especially when someone points out the things that YOU believe do not happen.


  • #414
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    The thread title should read: 'Muslims asked to abide by the same rules as non-muslims'

    Because that's what we are really talking about here.


  • #415
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    wendell borton wrote: »
    How, the president has no legislative power.
    FF were in power from 1994 to 2011.
    She was the first to say we had to open the door to help out refugees a noble cause no doubting that but there has been a fair amount of chancers took advantage of the good nature of Irish people down the years since than.


  • #416
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    The thread title should read: 'Muslims asked to abide by the same rules as non-muslims'

    Because that's what we are really talking about here.
    If the country is non-muslim that should not be an issue with them.


  • #417
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Bang on form as usual I see Nod. Especially when someone points out the things that YOU believe do not happen.

    Thats not an answer - which is bang on form for you.

    Nor do I know what you're on about in relation to what I believe etc.


  • #418
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Show Time wrote: »
    She was the first to say we had to open the door to help out refugees a noble cause no doubting that but there has been a fair amount of chancers took advantage of the good nature of Irish people down the years since than.

    My arse. We're committed to take in refugees/asylum seekers since we signed that part of the Geneva convention back in the 1950's.


  • #419
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I was reading stuff earlier and came across this story of traditional discrimination and bigotry in Ireland.
    Perhaps a final word is best left to a prominent Jew from Cork, a descendant of the Limerick diaspora, who was interviewed on Irish television in the 1970s as part of a series examining the treatment of minorities in the Republic. Asked if he had personally experienced prejudice, he replied, "Oh yes. Yes indeed," and then, after a pause, added, "In Dublin, you know, they always have the knife out for the Corkman."


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