Pardon my ignorance, but...

MisterEpicurus

I live with people who bang on about only using the washing machine between 11pm and 6am because it's 'cheaper'.

Personally, I think that's a load of bollocks, anyway, does anyone know if there's any truth to the claim???

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it can be, if you have the two meters for day and night rates
if you don't then it isn't.

MisterEpicurus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it can be, if you have the two meters for day and night rates
if you don't then it isn't.

How dya know if you have these meters, wouldn't have a clue tbh

stupidusername

Look at your last bill.if you're on in night rate it will say it somewhere

Orando Broom

Night rate can be cheaper. also clothes washed at night have a lower osmotic pressure and the dirt comes off easier so you only have to use half the amount of detergent.

MungBean

I lived with a girl who had the fcukin thing going night and day. Up in the morning stick on a wash, back from work stick on a wash, going to bed stick on a wash.

I used to wait till she left the room and flick the timer thing on a few notches. Shorter washes = cheaper bills.

I Heart Internet

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

How dya know if you have these meters, wouldn't have a clue tbh

Look at your last electricity bill. If there's a day and a night rate then you're flatmates are correct. You'll notice the night rate is much cheaper.

micropig

depends what plan you're signed up to but if just the standard night saver, then yes night rate is cheaper

Electricity Standard NightSaver
Cents
Unit price Day 0.1962
Unit price Night 0.0970

MisterEpicurus

MungBean wrote: »

I lived with a girl who had the fcukin thing going night and day. Up in the morning stick on a wash, back from work stick on a wash, going to bed stick on a wash.

I used to wait till she left the room and flick the timer thing on a few notches. Shorter washes = cheaper bills.

I just told them these facts and even rang the electricity company, and the reply I got from the flatmates was:

"Oh, but the bill was more expensive when we used it during the day."

They also said if the next bill was more expensive, I have to pay the difference!!!!

Unbelievable!

I had to tell them that the bill involved much more than simply the washing machine, so I can't pay for coincidences on a bill increase. Crazy!

Hercule Poirot

I think you need to open up a can of whoop-ass and put a padlock on the machine (won't be easy but I'm sure you'll find a way)

CardBordWindow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nagdcULlAk

Guill

ESB has excess electricity at night so they sell it cheaper to try and prompt people to do things like running washing machines at night.

Chuck Stone

How about if you put a coin box over the washing machine and write on it: 'Please put 50c in per wash towards the electricity bill'.

That could help put a here-and-now cost on doing a wash and would help distribute the cost of the bill more evenly.

Whatyathink?

Failing a reasonable response I would sabotage the washing machine. This could be achieved by lodging a wooden slipper in the washing masheen mechanism to wreck the bearings.

MungBean

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

I just told them these facts and even rang the electricity company, and the reply I got from the flatmates was:

"Oh, but the bill was more expensive when we used it during the day."

They also said if the next bill was more expensive, I have to pay the difference!!!!

Unbelievable!

I had to tell them that the bill involved much more than simply the washing machine, so I can't pay for coincidences on a bill increase. Crazy!

Go to a laundromat and refuse to pay the ESB bill if thats their logic. Has to be cheaper.

Mickey H

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

I just told them these facts and even rang the electricity company, and the reply I got from the flatmates was:

"Oh, but the bill was more expensive when we used it during the day."

If you're on a "Nightsaver" billing policy, then they're correct. If you're on a "Normal" billing policy, then basic maths isn't their strongest point.

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

They also said if the next bill was more expensive, I have to pay the difference!!!!

Unbelievable!

Are they taking the piss?

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

I had to tell them that the bill involved much more than simply the washing machine, so I can't pay for coincidences on a bill increase. Crazy!

Tell them again.

ScumLord

I run my washing machine and dryer after 2am because it annoys my neighbours. Make an awful racket so they do.

token101

It's a different meter altogether. And it's not 11pm and 6am, it's between 11pm and 8am in winter, and 12am and 9am in summer. They change between winter and summer cycles when the clocks go back and forward, so it'll be the summer cycle in a week or two when the clocks go forward again. If you have a nightsaver, they have a point, it's half the price and makes sense. If you don't have a nightsaver meter, you'll only see one rate on your bill, in which case tell them to go f**k themselves.

MisterEpicurus

Mickey H wrote: »

If you're on a "Nightsaver" billing policy, then they're correct. If you're on a "Normal" billing policy, then basic maths isn't their strongest point.



Are they taking the piss?



Tell them again.

We're definitely not on the 'nightsaver' policy. I rang the crowd and they confirmed. The flatmate also said that;
"Oh, well the company have to say that because they want you to pay more"
"Everyone uses electricity more during the day around the country, so it has to be a little more expensive."
I'm obviously quite exhausted with ignorant comments like this.

And no, they're not taking the piss! I wish they were. :rolleyes:

CrazyRabbit

Feckin' posh people and your automatic washing machines!

Nothing wrong with a good ol' twin tub. Very economical.

micropig

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Feckin' posh people and your automatic washing machines!

Nothing wrong with a good ol' twin tub. Very economical.

Faaannnncyyy:P


I have a wash board myself, more economical and the backbreaking scrubbing saves me joining a gym:D

Biggins

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

I live with people who bang on about only using the washing machine between 11pm and 6am because it's 'cheaper'.

Personally, I think that's a load of bollocks, anyway, does anyone know if there's any truth to the claim???

* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=170671

* http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=89112

* http://www.magicmum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=244745&view=print

On the 1st November 2007, the CER launched the Single Electricity Market, (SEM). In the SEM, wholesale electricity supplies are bought by suppliers from an electricity Pool through which the bulk of electricity generation in the island of Ireland is sold. The price of electricity in the Pool varies in each half hour depending upon the type of generation that produces the electricity supply and its associated fuel costs. The cost of generation during day hours is higher than the cost of generation during night hours. Therefore, the day rate is slightly higher than the single rate on the 24 hour tariff as the day rate reflects the higher cost of generation during day hours only, whereas the single rate recovers the cost of generation during both day and lower priced night hours.

The night units are charged at less than the day rate, incentivising customers to be more energy efficient by shifting their energy consumption away from the more expensive peak high demand day times to night time hours. There is a higher standing charge for day/night tariff to reflect the higher underlying non-energy costs such as network operation and maintenance, customer billing and services associated with providing this tariff.

http://www.energycustomers.ie/faqs/index.aspx#14e

Degag

If people use alot of electricity at night they should think about getting a Day and Night meter. Can often be fitted for free!

the groutch

if any of my neighbours (apartment btw) put on their washing machine in the middle of the night they'd have alot more to worry about than their electricity bill.

micropig

the groutch wrote: »

if any of my neighbours (apartment btw) put on their washing machine in the middle of the night they'd have alot more to worry about than their electricity bill.

The only thing they'll be worrying about is if the clothes will blow off the balcony railing:p

token101

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

We're definitely not on the 'nightsaver' policy. I rang the crowd and they confirmed. The flatmate also said that;
"Oh, well the company have to say that because they want you to pay more"
"Everyone uses electricity more during the day around the country, so it has to be a little more expensive."
I'm obviously quite exhausted with ignorant comments like this.

And no, they're not taking the piss! I wish they were. :rolleyes:

You need new flatmates.

wonderfulname

MisterEpicurus wrote: »

We're definitely not on the 'nightsaver' policy. I rang the crowd and they confirmed. The flatmate also said that;
"Oh, well the company have to say that because they want you to pay more"
"Everyone uses electricity more during the day around the country, so it has to be a little more expensive."
I'm obviously quite exhausted with ignorant comments like this.

And no, they're not taking the piss! I wish they were. :rolleyes:

You don't need to ring, take out your last bill, point out that there is only one unit rate on it, when you're on nightsaver there is a breakdown of the two, alternatively show them your electricity meter, again there'll be only one counter as opposed to two. At any rate just doing your laundry within those hours doesn't make that much of a difference, I worked it out for myself last year and even with every electrical item that I didn't have to supervise running within those hours I was paying marginally more on nightsaver because the day rate is (or was) considerably more expensive than the flat rate.

If it were me I'd be riling up the flatmate about suing the ESB over a "false contract" or something equally ridiculous, say you agree that they're lying and you think you're paying more because of it, and that they should really be the one to discuss it with them, being the brains of the operation... just for funsies...

OneArt

If you live in an apartment you're usually not allowed to use it between 10 pm and 7 am so f*cks to that.

stupidusername

We've night rate on in our apartment (as do most apartments) and because my housemate is a sensitive little whiny girl he wont allow the washing machine on at night.so naturally our bills are higher.but being the retard that he is he blames the higher bills completely on the heating being on (when it was colder). God I wish I lived with someone with intelligence

Esoteric_

In a house share, you split the bills evenly. It's impossible to count exactly how many units each person is using so tell them to fcuk off.

You split the bills evenly. They chose to move into a house share and when you move into one, you take the risk of some people using more electricity than you. You don't divide bills into bits and pieces ffs. Tell them to cop on to themselves.

Feisar

Hahahah!

You think you have it bad? I rent in Belfast and we have a pre paid meter.

Two guys moved into the house and on the second day proclaimed they would be paying one quarter less due to the fact that they didn't have laptops!

I politely explained that washing machines, dryers, ovens and showers were the main items that soak power. Still they mumbled so I said fair enough I leave Friday morning and arrive back Sunday night plus I'm never there during the day, I'll pay half.

Silly funkers caught themselves on.

cloptrop

Some houses have night time storage heating , these have 2 meters. If you have this check what the two meters are for , most of them do day rates for everything except the heating which does night time at night time.
Tell your flatmates to buck off and play your music real loud when the washing machines on , tell them thats how you like to do do your cleaning .

Guill

Op i use an excel sheet to check my usage at times to see what is running the bill high or how much ESB new things would use (generally for Chicken hatching equipment, I've redone a quick mock up of it. If you enter the wattage of an item and the unit price (on bill) it'll tell you what it costs to run that item, you can enter how long it is running for too and get the total cost. It's a good reference, especially when you look at what hair dryers, kettles, toasters etc use.


You can figure out for yourself what the washing machine costs.

Potential-Monke

My nans house had the meter visible in the sittingroom, and we decided a test one day after my brother moved in. We turned on the tv, radio, stereo, PS2, all the lights, and checked the meter, and it was turning slowly enough.

We then turned everything else off, and put on the kettle to boil by itself... The meter was turning at least 5 times as fast...

Bottom line? Don't boil water!!!

cloptrop

Yes the kettle and the emmersion are the big hitters, boil water with fire.

dmc17

MungBean wrote: »

I lived with a girl who had the fcukin thing going night and day. Up in the morning stick on a wash, back from work stick on a wash, going to bed stick on a wash.

I used to wait till she left the room and flick the timer thing on a few notches. Shorter washes = cheaper bills.

No wonder she had it on all the time. Every time she left the room you f****d up her wash :rolleyes:

weemcd

Thought everyone knew this, sure why do ya think people only turn the lights on in their house at night?:pac:

earpiece

token101 wrote: »

It's a different meter altogether. And it's not 11pm and 6am, it's between 11pm and 8am in winter, and 12am and 9am in summer. They change between winter and summer cycles when the clocks go back and forward, so it'll be the summer cycle in a week or two when the clocks go forward again. If you have a nightsaver, they have a point, it's half the price and makes sense. If you don't have a nightsaver meter, you'll only see one rate on your bill, in which case tell them to go f**k themselves.

Just to fix ya there.... winter 11 to 7 and summer 12 to 8. :cool:

stupidusername

earpiece wrote: »

Just to fix ya there.... winter 11 to 7 and summer 12 to 8. :cool:

well for Bord Gais it's 11-8 in winter and 12-9 in summer.I'm pretty sure ESB is the same.

earpiece

stupidusername wrote: »

well for Bord Gais it's 11-8 in winter and 12-9 in summer.I'm pretty sure ESB is the same.

I stand corrected and bow gracefully, you are indeed correct. I was always under the impression it was an 8 hour period for the night rate... but it is 9 hours.

Zab

cloptrop wrote: »

Yes the kettle and the emmersion are the big hitters, boil water with fire.

My kettle is 2200w and boils 500ml of water in 2 minutes.

2200w means it uses 2.2kWh every hour. 1 kWh (aka 1 unit) costs me 19.6c (which is frankly really expensive), so an hour costs me 43.1c. Divide by 30 to get the cost of two minutes and we get 1.4c. So, my kettle costs me 1.4c for a cup of tea. I think I can afford it.

Cedrus

11-8 in winter and 12-9 in summer

and to complicate it further, if it's a 15 minute meter it's 11-8 all year round (but these meters are for larger consumers).

Jev/N

Cedrus wrote: »

and to complicate it further, if it's a 15 minute meter it's 11-8 all year round (but these meters are for larger consumers).

( O , o )

MungBean

dmc17 wrote: »

No wonder she had it on all the time. Every time she left the room you f****d up her wash :rolleyes:

She didnt know the difference because they wernt fcukin dirty to begin with. Unless she was constantly shítting herself theres no way she could have that much dirty washing.

Cú Giobach

cloptrop wrote: »

Some houses have night time storage heating , these have 2 meters. If you have this check what the two meters are for , most of them do day rates for everything except the heating which does night time at night time.

I have that in my house (though the storage heaters have been taken out).
I always thought it's quite cheeky to wire the meters up like that so as not to give the option of paying less for general use.

Potential-Monke

Zab wrote: »

My kettle is 2200w and boils 500ml of water in 2 minutes.

2200w means it uses 2.2kWh every hour. 1 kWh (aka 1 unit) costs me 19.6c (which is frankly really expensive), so an hour costs me 43.1c. Divide by 30 to get the cost of two minutes and we get 1.4c. So, my kettle costs me 1.4c for a cup of tea. I think I can afford it.

mconigol

Zab wrote: »

My kettle is 2200w and boils 500ml of water in 2 minutes.

2200w means it uses 2.2kWh every hour. 1 kWh (aka 1 unit) costs me 19.6c (which is frankly really expensive), so an hour costs me 43.1c. Divide by 30 to get the cost of two minutes and we get 1.4c. So, my kettle costs me 1.4c for a cup of tea. I think I can afford it.

Get out of here with your maths and evidence. :mad:

MagicSean

God I hate people who are pig **** stupid. And stubborn to go along with it. Op find a new place. In the current economic climate you have options. The stress of living with people like that is not worth it.

Plazaman

What's this Soviet Russia? What does it matter what time they put on a wash? Are you sleeping on the floor of the kitchen/utility room that it's keeping you awake?

sbsquarepants

Orando Broom wrote: »

Night rate can be cheaper. also clothes washed at night have a lower osmotic pressure and the dirt comes off easier so you only have to use half the amount of detergent.

Now, i aint no scientician (or housewife) but, i find it hard to believe that clothes washed at night take half the detergent!
Maybe, at night you just cant see the stains that aren't washed out?:D

booboo88

Simple, look at your meter or bill, if it says nightsaver you are getting cheaper leccy at night after 11pm/12.
If not, regardless what time you use it its the same price.