Are Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool Done?

Handsome Bob

Des wrote: »

So what about anything less than a domestic cup double?

Chelsea could beat Liverpool, and are a better team at the moment, imo, and would be favourites.

Finish 7th, Carling Cup and FA Cup exit at Semi, or lose the final.

I think that is the omst likely outcome for the season, and simply is not good enough.

Big ask I know but it's the only thing I'd consider as not a total disaster of a season. Kenny has to earn another season IMO, if he can achieve the cup double, that would be enough for me.

Mr Alan

Des wrote: »

I think that is the omst likely outcome for the season, and simply is not good enough.

Agreed. However in his first full season at the club, it's not a sackable offence.

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Handsome Bob wrote: »

Big ask I know but it's the only thing I'd consider as not a total disaster of a season. Kenny has to earn another season IMO, if he can achieve the cup double, that would be enough for me.

he doesn't have to "earn" anything, he has a contract.

That aside, what would you do? Sack him?

I genuinely cannot see him getting sacked, and he's a fairly stubborn man, so may not "walk"

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Mr Alan wrote: »

his first full season at the club

kippy

Des wrote: »

So what about anything less than a domestic cup double?

Chelsea could beat Liverpool, and are a better team at the moment, imo, and would be favourites.

Finish 7th, Carling Cup and FA Cup exit at Semi, or lose the final.

I think that is the omst likely outcome for the season, and simply is not good enough.

Not good enough on what scale though?
This is/was a club decimated by gillette and hicks and to a lesser extent rafa and roy. Almost on it's knees. Trying to compete with the massive money at Chelsea, City, United (an others) in a stadium that is woefully in need of an upgrade (something that has been promised but hasn't happened) and an ageing key player core.

A bit of balance needs to be added. City have thrown hundreds of millions at the club in the past 4 years as well as some of the best managers around (allegedly) - one cup win is all they have to show for it. Chelsea, similiar.

willmunny1990

kippy wrote: »

Not good enough on what scale though?
This is/was a club decimated by gillette and hicks and to a lesser extent rafa and roy. Almost on it's knees. Trying to compete with the massive money at Chelsea, City, United (an others) in a stadium that is woefully in need of an upgrade (something that has been promised but hasn't happened) and an ageing key player core.

A bit of balance needs to be added. City have thrown hundreds of millions at the club in the past 4 years as well as some of the best managers around (allegedly) - one cup win is all they have to show for it. Chelsea, similiar.

They showed significant progress in their league form after spending the money though...pool have stood still or even gone backwards with no sign of light at the end of the tunnel.

Kenny is a poor manager in the modern era. hes suited to football back in the mid 90's and thats his lot. he spent too long on the golf course and is out of touch. This is clear to see from his signings, tactics and the way he handles himself in the media. he's a walking, talking PR disaster.

Handsome Bob

Des wrote: »

he doesn't have to "earn" anything, he has a contract.

That aside, what would you do? Sack him?

I genuinely cannot see him getting sacked, and he's a fairly stubborn man, so may not "walk"

Contracts don't mean anything these days, sad, but a reality. It's a results based business.

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kippy wrote: »

Not good enough on what scale though?

On the scale where this specific manager has overseen the purchase of players, in three transfer windows. Players that he, presumably, had a big part to play in identifying and pushing for, have just not cut it.

Suarez is little more than puff and bluster when you get down to it. Yes, he's the type of player the fans can "get behind" (a bit of a cúnt who seriously winds opposition fans up, especially United fans - all clubs have them. Gary Neville, Carlos Tevez etc), but on the pitch, Suarez has not produced nearly enough.

Carroll. I'm not going to go into it about Carroll, but he is not Liverpool standard. He just isn't. Even ignoring the pricetag, even if he was bought for a reasonable amount, he still wouldn't be good enough.

Henderson, ok, "potential", but even saying that, he hasn't shown a whole lot of good. I accept that he'll be a decent squad player for Liverpool though, may even experience a "Lucas".

Adam. Wow, was a big fish in a small pond, in a team that went down.

Bellamy, yeah, dcent signing, but unreliable in the fitness stakes, and that was known when he was signed.

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

the way he handles himself in the media. he's a walking, talking PR disaster.

So the fúck what though.

I'm no Dalglish defender, but I hate this shíte "he's not media savvy" "he doesn't know how to talk to the media"

Wrong.

He just doesn't buy into the Sky bullshít, and treats journalists like the scum most of them are.

Reekwind

Handsome Bob wrote: »

I'm incensed by what happened last night, but I'll reiterate an opinion of mine that I seem to be in the minority in holding: I'll accept a domestic cup double win as a passable season for Kenny. I'm willing to overlook a failure to mount a decent Top 4 challenge this season as I believe a domestic cup double will be an excellent building block for next season

Wouldn't a CL place be a more useful building block for a return to the elite of the English game? I mean, in terms of money and prestige, two domestic cups is not going to help in attracting the players that LFC needs to progress

And this after the outlay last summer in what was clearly a step backwards. Not only did Liverpool spend huge sums on mediocre players but I'll be very surprised if these players move on any time soon. Who is going to take Carroll on €80-90k a week? Which does, or at least should, raise questions about the long-term strategy at Liverpool and whether Dalglish is the right man to be overseeing it

Will I Amnt

kippy wrote: »

Trying to compete with the massive money at Chelsea, City, United (an others)

Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25.05.2007
Mikel Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000* 08.11.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000* 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008
David Ngog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28.07.2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £17,100,000* 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17.09.2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12.01.2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000* 10.05.2010
Milan Jovanovi? Standard Liege Free* 08.07.2010
Joe Cole Free Transfer Free 21.07.2010
Danny Wilson Rangers £2,000,000* 21.07.2010
Fábio Aurélio Free Transfer Free 31.07.2010
Christian Poulsen Juventus £4,550,000* 11.08.2010
Brad Jones Middlesbrough £2,300,000 18.08.2010
Raul Meireles Porto £11,500,000 29.08.2010
Paul Konchesky Fulham £3,500,000* 31.08.2010

Total Spent on Players – £172,080,000

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An improvement in league position, even by one place, is surely better than a Carling Cup win.

Xavi6

Des wrote: »

On the scale where this specific manager has overseen the purchase of players, in three transfer windows. Players that he, presumably, had a big part to play in identifying and pushing for, have just not cut it.

Suarez is little more than puff and bluster when you get down to it. Yes, he's the type of player the fans can "get behind" (a bit of a cúnt who seriously winds opposition fans up, especially United fans - all clubs have them. Gary Neville, Carlos Tevez etc), but on the pitch, Suarez has not produced nearly enough.

Carroll. I'm not going to go into it about Carroll, but he is not Liverpool standard. He just isn't. Even ignoring the pricetag, even if he was bought for a reasonable amount, he still wouldn't be good enough.

Henderson, ok, "potential", but even saying that, he hasn't shown a whole lot of good. I accept that he'll be a decent squad player for Liverpool though, may even experience a "Lucas".

Adam. Wow, was a big fish in a small pond, in a team that went down.

Bellamy, yeah, dcent signing, but unreliable in the fitness stakes, and that was known when he was signed.

You forgot Downing, do him next

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Xavi6 wrote: »

You forgot Downing, do him next

Everyone should forget about Downing.

willmunny1990

Des wrote: »

So the fúck what though.

I'm no Dalglish defender, but I hate this shíte "he's not media savvy" "he doesn't know how to talk to the media"

Wrong.

He just doesn't buy into the Sky bullshít, and treats journalists like the scum most of them are.

once something important like the Suarez affair came up, he screwed up big time and damaged pool's reputation all around the world. trying to turn one of his players racially abusing another player into a positive by trying to gain a siege mentality from it was disgraceful and will tarnish the club's image for years to come.

How can pool trust him if a similar situation arises in the future?

willmunny1990

willmunny1990 wrote: »

kippy wrote: »

Not good enough on what scale though?
This is/was a club decimated by gillette and hicks and to a lesser extent rafa and roy. Almost on it's knees. Trying to compete with the massive money at Chelsea, City, United (an others) in a stadium that is woefully in need of an upgrade (something that has been promised but hasn't happened) and an ageing key player core.

A bit of balance needs to be added. City have thrown hundreds of millions at the club in the past 4 years as well as some of the best managers around (allegedly) - one cup win is all they have to show for it. Chelsea, similiar.

They showed significant progress in their league form after spending the money though...pool have stood still or even gone backwards with no sign of light at the end of the tunnel.

Kenny is a poor manager in the modern era. hes suited to football back in the mid 90's and thats his lot. he spent too long on the golf course and is out of touch. This is clear to see from his signings, tactics and the way he handles himself in the media. he's a walking, talking PR disaster.

How would you know anything about football in the 90's ?

Getting sloppy Willy...

Leiva

Des wrote: »

On the scale where this specific manager has overseen the purchase of players, in three transfer windows. Players that he, presumably, had a big part to play in identifying and pushing for, have just not cut it.

Suarez is little more than puff and bluster when you get down to it. Yes, he's the type of player the fans can "get behind" (a bit of a cúnt who seriously winds opposition fans up, especially United fans - all clubs have them. Gary Neville, Carlos Tevez etc), but on the pitch, Suarez has not produced nearly enough.

Carroll. I'm not going to go into it about Carroll, but he is not Liverpool standard. He just isn't. Even ignoring the pricetag, even if he was bought for a reasonable amount, he still wouldn't be good enough.

Henderson, ok, "potential", but even saying that, he hasn't shown a whole lot of good. I accept that he'll be a decent squad player for Liverpool though, may even experience a "Lucas".

Adam. Wow, was a big fish in a small pond, in a team that went down.

Bellamy, yeah, dcent signing, but unreliable in the fitness stakes, and that was known when he was signed.

Des wrote: »

So the fúck what though.

I'm no Dalglish defender, but I hate this shíte "he's not media savvy" "he doesn't know how to talk to the media"

Wrong.

He just doesn't buy into the Sky bullshít, and treats journalists like the scum most of them are.

Cant argue with any of this .

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

once something important like the Suarez affair came up, he screwed up big time and damaged pool's reputation all around the world. trying to turn one of his players racially abusing another player into a positive by trying to gain a siege mentality from it was disgraceful and will tarnish the club's image for years to come.

How can pool trust him if a similar situation arises in the future?

blah blah blah.

It is a soap opera. He was defending his player, he's entitled to do it, and he wasn't the only official at the only club defending people accused of racism this season. Which you conveniently fail to mention.

kippy

cambo2008 wrote: »

Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25.05.2007
Mikel Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000* 08.11.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000* 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008
David Ngog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28.07.2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £17,100,000* 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17.09.2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12.01.2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000* 10.05.2010
Milan Jovanovi? Standard Liege Free* 08.07.2010
Joe Cole Free Transfer Free 21.07.2010
Danny Wilson Rangers £2,000,000* 21.07.2010
Fábio Aurélio Free Transfer Free 31.07.2010
Christian Poulsen Juventus £4,550,000* 11.08.2010
Brad Jones Middlesbrough £2,300,000 18.08.2010
Raul Meireles Porto £11,500,000 29.08.2010
Paul Konchesky Fulham £3,500,000* 31.08.2010

Total Spent on Players – £172,080,000

That is over the past five years, two different sets of owners and three different managers.
Do the same with Chelsea and City over the same time period.

My main point was based on what scale Liverpool were being measured against.
Look at the competition, look at their facilities, spending power and wage bills, and then realise it takes time to move from point A to point B.
Sacking a manager costs money, directly and indirectly, right now sacking Kenny would be pointless.

Leiva

cambo2008 wrote: »

Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25.05.2007
Mikel Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000* 08.11.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000* 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008
David Ngog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28.07.2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £17,100,000* 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17.09.2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12.01.2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000* 10.05.2010
Milan Jovanovi? Standard Liege Free* 08.07.2010
Joe Cole Free Transfer Free 21.07.2010
Danny Wilson Rangers £2,000,000* 21.07.2010
Fábio Aurélio Free Transfer Free 31.07.2010
Christian Poulsen Juventus £4,550,000* 11.08.2010
Brad Jones Middlesbrough £2,300,000 18.08.2010
Raul Meireles Porto £11,500,000 29.08.2010
Paul Konchesky Fulham £3,500,000* 31.08.2010

Total Spent on Players – £172,080,000

And your point is ?

willmunny1990

rarnes1 wrote: »

How would you know anything about football in the 90's ?

Getting sloppy Willy...

Once again trying to deflect from the debate at hand by changing the subject. your becoming all too predictable rarnes

willmunny1990

Des wrote: »

blah blah blah.

It is a soap opera. He was defending his player, he's entitled to do it, and he wasn't the only official at the only club defending people accused of racism this season. Which you conveniently fail to mention.

why would I mention other clubs defending players accused of racism? have no problem with that as your innocent until proven guilty. it was defending suarez to the hilt when it was proven he was guilty that was the problem and tarnished the club's image as a result.

Reekwind

kippy wrote: »

My main point was based on what scale Liverpool were being measured against.
Look at the competition, look at their facilities, spending power and wage bills, and then realise it takes time to move from point A to point B.
Sacking a manager costs money, directly and indirectly, right now sacking Kenny would be pointless.

Liverpool have the third highest net spend of any Premier League club when measured over the past two decades. They are fourth when measured over the past decade. Over the past five years they are (minimum) third

All of which is not hugely important. It does make clear though that Liverpool cannot cry poverty when complaining about their rivals. Sure, the club can't match City but it has spent more than Chelsea, more than United, more than Spurs and vastly more than Newcastle and Arsenal. In short, LFC has outspent four of the six teams currently lying above them in the table. The surprise is not that Dalglish spent big but that his return has been so poor for it

That should be a cause for concern for all Liverpool fans

SlickRic

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Once again trying to deflect from the debate at hand by changing the subject. your becoming all too predictable rarnes

or he's just showing up the fact you can't possibly know what went on in the 90s, so you're making up shíte to suit your agenda.

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i can't make up my mind on Dalglish at all, it's killing me slowly tbh.

i want him to be a success, i really do. and i know all fans do. and one domestic cup, and the potential for another, could be a decent return. and if we we get 5th or 6th this season on top of that, then meh, he should get another season.

but i have to look at other things too...

and the signings have just been so uninspiring, so expensive (bar Suarez and Enrique), that i just don't know if i'd trust him with a pot of money to go get us 4th next season.

i still don't think he adapts to games well. i've said before that i can't remember decisions he made that change games. i was rightly challenged with him bringing on Kuyt in the Carling Cup Final, as well as bring Diggler on against United in the FA Cup.

i still think that says more about Kuyt than Kenny

but either way, i don't trust him to change games from the bench; to try something mid-game that may change momentum in our favour. in fact his change of Suarez off at the end last night arguably changed momentum further in QPR's favour, when they were already back in it at 2-1.

yes, the players switched off, and it was more their fault than Kenny's, but it's those little things on the sidelines that so often separate the good from the great.

but he is passionate, you can tell he really cares, and in particular last night, he looked devastated. you know he's going to work his ass off to try and fix what's going on. i just don't know if i fully trust him to get it right tactically, and in the summer in the transfer market.

willmunny1990

SlickRic wrote: »

or he's just showing up the fact you can't possibly know what went on in the 90s, so you're making up shíte to suit your agenda.

nonsense, football has changed a lot since 2000 even, it's obvious that its been evolving constantly. you don't need to have watched alot of football in the 90's to know that it's different from today.

you even said yourself yo have no confidence in Dalglish to change a game, or make signings to help pool progress. i'm sure you've also criticized his dealings with the media aswell. so if i'm making up **** then i'm not the only one.

Mr Alan

Ric, I guess we should just bring Rafa back (someone you wanted sacked).

Then when he doesn't have a 100% hit ratio in transfers, or doesn't make match winning substitutions week in week out, we can want him out again too.

Round & round we go.

Newcastle/Chelsea will have nothing on us within the next few years.

ShiverinEskimo

Mr Alan wrote: »

Then when he doesn't have a 100% hit ratio in transfers, or doesn't make match winning substitutions week in week out, we can want him out again too.

Yea - because that's the standard currently in place.

If he even had a 50% hit ratio in the transfers he'd already better Dalglish.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

Ric, I guess we should just bring Rafa back (someone you wanted sacked).

Then when he doesn't have a 100% hit ratio in transfers, or doesn't make match winning substitutions week in week out, we can want him out again too.

Round & round we go.

Newcastle/Chelsea will have nothing on us within the next few years.

:rolleyes:

Shut up Alan, just shut up and show some repsect to a decent poster in Ricky.

He didn't "want Rafa sacked" ffs, mind quoting that post, do you? Thought not.

Mr Alan

Des wrote: »

Its his first full season back at the club as manager?

We've been poor in the league since Christmas & will likely finish in the same position as last year. However, the football is ten times better & we'll end up with a least 1, possibly 2 cups.

Managers, excluding total retards, shouldn't be sacked in their first full season.

Mr Alan

Des wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Shut up Alan, just shut up and show some repsect to a decent poster in Ricky.

He didn't "want Rafa sacked" ffs, mind quoting that post, do you? Thought not.

I don't need to quote anything. Ricky is an honest fella & will happily admit he called for Rafa to be sacked.

plasmaguy

Ridiculous thread to be honest.

He's been a success as a manager at most clubs he's been at, although usually with lots of money to spend.

His one full season back this time around, he wins a trophey, something Arsene Wenger hasn't done in what 7 or 8 years. Benitez also could only manage two. Also knocked Man Utd out of the FA Cup and strong possibility they'll win the cup.

As for players he bought, when Torres left, he had no choice but bring in strikers immediately.

There really isn't a lot of world class strikers out there at the moment, and Carrol was ok enough at Newcastle, as was Suarez at PSV and for Uruguay.

His buys looked good on paper, and many others would have been tempted to buy the same players too.

He's done a good job at Liverpool imo.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

Its his first full season back at the club as manager?

We've been poor in the league since Christmas & will likely finish in the same position as last year. However, the football is ten times better & we'll end up with a least 1, possibly 2 cups.

Managers, excluding total retards, shouldn't be sacked in their first full season.

your abuse of Roy is reaching an all time disgusting and overly personal level there Alan, however sly you get your digs in.

The football is ten times better?

Liverpool are closer to the drop than they are to the top, points wise. In what world is that "better"

Mr Alan

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Yea - because that's the standard currently in place.

If he even had a 50% hit ratio in the transfers he'd already better Dalglish.

Really? I'd disagree.

Suarez - hit
Carroll - miss
Bellamy - hit
Downing - miss
Enrique - hit
Adam - hit
Henderson - miss
Coates - hit

This is also calling Henderson a miss to humour you.

You may argue about Adam, but he cost less than 7m & has a couple of goals & 11 assists this season & was very good for us until Lucas got injured. An over reliance on him while Gerrard was injured was the problem. Happy to have him in the squad.

Mr Alan

Des wrote: »

your abuse of Roy is reaching an all time disgusting and overly personal level there Alan, however sly you get your digs in.

The football is ten times better?

Liverpool are closer to the drop than they are to the top, points wise. In what world is that "better"

Did I say that our points total/league position was ten times better?! :pac:

I'm not doing a back & forward with you all day. You enjoy it too much! Text me if you wanna discuss it.

markie29

Mr Alan wrote: »

Really? I'd disagree.

Suarez - hit
Carroll - miss
Bellamy - hit
Downing - miss
Enrique - hit
Adam - hit
Henderson - miss
Coates - hit

This is also calling Henderson a miss to humour you.

You may argue about Adam, but he cost less than 7m & has a couple of goals & 11 assists this season & was very good for us until Lucas got injured. An over reliance on him while Gerrard was injured was the problem. Happy to have him in the squad.

seriously adam a hit??

Willy getting owned by Des in this thread I see.

Will I Amnt

plasmaguy wrote: »

Ridiculous thread to be honest.

He's been a success as a manager at most clubs he's been at, although usually with lots of money to spend.

His one full season back this time around, he wins a trophey, something Arsene Wenger hasn't done in what 7 or 8 years. Benitez also could only manage two. Also knocked Man Utd out of the FA Cup and strong possibility they'll win the cup.

As for players he bought, when Torres left, he had no choice but bring in strikers immediately.

There really isn't a lot of world class strikers out there at the moment, and Carrol was ok enough at Newcastle, as was Suarez at PSV and for Uruguay.

His buys looked good on paper, and many others would have been tempted to buy the same players too.

He's done a good job at Liverpool imo.

You don't pay 35m for an ok enough striker.
There's no justifying that transfer.
Suarez was a good buy if Carroll was a good striker,the Carroll transfer negates the good in the Suarez transfer.
It was Ajax by the way,not PSV.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

Did I say that our points total/league position was ten times better?! :pac:

I'm not doing a back & forward with you all day. You enjoy it too much! Text me if you wanna discuss it.

nice try buddy, you want to back away from this discussion because you can't properly back up your opinion. The opinion of a deluded dreamer, still in love with Rafa and clutching at straws defensing the current manager who is clearly out of his depth.

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rarnes1 wrote: »

Willy getting owned by Des in this thread I see.

it's too easy, not like the old days.

ShiverinEskimo

Mr Alan wrote: »

Really? I'd disagree.

Suarez - hit
Carroll - miss
Bellamy - hit
Downing - miss
Enrique - hit
Adam - hit
Henderson - miss
Coates - hit

This is also calling Henderson a miss to humour you.

You may argue about Adam, but he cost less than 7m & has a couple of goals & 11 assists this season & was very good for us until Lucas got injured. An over reliance on him while Gerrard was injured was the problem. Happy to have him in the squad.

Out of the hundred odd million spent at least 70 of it is wasted. (Carroll, Downing, Henderson). 30% hit rate.

But even by your optimistic standards in regards to Adam it's still only 50% looking at players alone.

Going back to your original point - hardly reasonable to demand a 100% hit ratio for a new manager though is it. I swear it's like you feed on double standards.

willmunny1990

rarnes1 wrote: »

Willy getting owned by Des in this thread I see.

yes rarnes, thats why he didnt reply to my last post to him.

he really 'owned' me there :pac:

but keep on deflecting the attention away from dalglish by straying off topic, your good at that

Mr Alan

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Going back to your original point - hardly reasonable to demand a 100% hit ratio for a new manager though is it. I swear it's like you feed on double standards.

you have quite spectacularly missed my point.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

you have quite spectacularly missed my point.

or you are dodging and wriggling again. I'll give you this, you are incredibly determined.

You wriggler.

Handsome Bob

Des wrote: »

An improvement in league position, even by one place, is surely better than a Carling Cup win.

A cup is a cup, especially at this stage of the season where all the top teams are desperate for any kind of validation of a successful season.

Would I exchange the CC win for 4th place? Yeah. Would I exchange the CC for 6th place? No, quite a ludicrous suggestion TBH.

ShiverinEskimo

Mr Alan wrote: »

you have quite spectacularly missed my point.

You have quite spectacularly horsed a round peg in a square hole again to suit your point.

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

yes rarnes, thats why he didnt reply to my last post to him.

got bored with you son.

willmunny1990

Des wrote: »

got bored with you son.

more like you didn't have an answer, because you knew what I said made sense as it was silly to compare Chelsea backing JT (not guilty as of yet) to Dalglish backing Suarez (found guilty)

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

more like you didn't have an answer, because you knew what I said made sense as it was silly to compare Chelsea backing JT to Dalglish backing Suarez (who was found guilty)

wat?

Mr Alan

markie29 wrote: »

seriously adam a hit??

2 goals & 11 assists.

I'm happy to have him in the squad.

willmunny1990

Des wrote: »

wat?