Selling Naming Rights: O2, Aviva, Bord Gáis Energy

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MrStuffins wrote: »

Well the Aviva Stadium is NOT our National Stadium. The majority of the funding for the stadium was through private investment.

Almost half of it was paid for through a government grant though.

MrStuffins

cournioni wrote: »

Almost half of it was paid for through a government grant though.

Almost half

Which means most wasn't!

Doesn't change the fact that it's NOT out National Stadium

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

Almost half of it was paid for through a government grant though.

And that grant would have needed to be more if Aviva weren't involved.

Collie D

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I accept cash in the form of two cent coins only,pay up or I sue.

Do you accept Trócaire boxes?

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Collie D wrote: »

Why do that if they had a prefectly good site that the IRFU already owned? If they'd bought a site pre 2008 they would have overpaid by a huge amount. They did look but varying factors went against them, market value being the main one. Both organisations are in a relatively healthy financial position considering they've just built a new stadium.

I won't go into the Delaney remark because this could go massively off topic.

I wouldn't say it was a perfectly good site, they could only increase capacity by six thousand compared to the old stadium because the residents of Havelock Square had a large say in its planning. Hence the 15 row stand behind the goals at the Havelock end of the ground.

They could have sold the land and built a new stadium with money to spare back when the building started.

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I Heart Internet wrote: »

And that grant would have needed to be more if Aviva weren't involved.

Aviva, fine ambassadors to Ireland.

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

I wouldn't say it was a perfectly good site, they could only increase capacity by six thousand compared to the old stadium because the residents of Havelock Square had a large say in its planning. Hence the 15 row stand behind the goals at the Havelock end of the ground.

They could have sold the land and built a new stadium with money to spare back when the building started.

But if you're nostalgic about the name are you not also nostalgic for the location? What would you say if they (the IRFU and the FAI) had built a new stadium in, say, Tallaght? Would it be ok to name that the Aviva Stadium?? Or would they be better off turning down the millions of euros and call it after whatever townland in Tallaght it happened to be in??

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

Aviva, fine ambassadors to Ireland.

What do you mean?

MrStuffins

cournioni wrote: »

Aviva, fine ambassadors to Ireland.

May I ask, why exactly do you think the name should NOT be leased? (by the way, it's only leased and NOT sold, it will be the Aviva Stadium until 2019 unless they reach another agreement).

WHat are you actual reasons for which you think they should have turned down €44m?

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I Heart Internet wrote: »

But if you're nostalgic about the name are you not also nostalgic for the location? What would you say if they (the IRFU and the FAI) had built a new stadium in, say, Tallaght? Would it be ok to name that the Aviva Stadium?? Or would they be better off turning down the millions of euros and call it after whatever townland in Tallaght it happened to be in??

Who said I was nostalgic?

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

Who said I was nostalgic?

Ok - patriotic, nationalistic - for some reason you're insisting that the FAI and IRFU should have turned down a stack of money from potential sponsors.

As Mr. Stuffins asked - why is that??

Big Johnson

Aviva didn't pay anything towards the redevelopment

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I Heart Internet wrote: »

What do you mean?

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

overshoot

nobody has mentioned that uefa call it the dublin arena:).. lets not forget hunky dory park in drogheda either!
like it or not the stadium has to be paid and 10 years being called aviva will go a long way. if that money wasnt used its going to come from somewhere else... loi and grassroots. loi prize fund has fallen from well over 1million to 100k less than than delaneys wage of 400k... dont really need more coming out of it, its clear where their financial priorities lie!
the stadium couldnt be named after a soccer player. its the irfu's ground and afaik the fai's contrubution to the rebuild is their rent for the next 25 years

MrStuffins

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

So your problem isn't with naming rights, but it's with Aviva? Is that what you're saying now?

Collie D

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

Indeed, it's outrageous they should waste money on sponsorship BUT that's nothing to do with the FAI/IRFU. OK, say it was a company that's doing extremely well with plans to expand rather than cut...let's say Google, Penneys, etc. Would it be an issue then?

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/aviva-cuts-shape-of-things-to-come-2911668.html

Yet €44m sponsorship is ok.

That kind of attitude disgusts me tbh. Is Aviva to be castigated for trying to manage its business as best it can and maintain what jobs it can in Ireland??

Would you prefer that it didn't employ the remaining hundreds of people in ireland? Is every business that has made people redundant in Ireland to be run out of town? Or are they banned from advertising - is that it??

No Irish based company can spend any money on advertising because that's a waste and they could be giving folks jobs with that money instead.

Ridiculous, backward logic.

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I Heart Internet wrote: »

Ok - patriotic, nationalistic - for some reason you're insisting that the FAI and IRFU should have turned down a stack of money from potential sponsors.

As Mr. Stuffins asked - why is that??

They didn't have to whore themselves out to multinational companies, there was alternatives.

I Heart Internet

Collie D wrote: »

Indeed, it's outrageous they should waste money on sponsorship BUT that's nothing to do with the FAI/IRFU. OK, say it was a company that's doing extremely well with plans to expand rather than cut...let's say Google, Penneys, etc. Would it be an issue then?

No its not!

I Heart Internet

cournioni wrote: »

They didn't have to whore themselves out to multinational companies, there was alternatives.

So Barry's Tea?

Is international money not good enough for us now?

This is all backward, isolationist silliness.

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MrStuffins wrote: »

So your problem isn't with naming rights, but it's with Aviva? Is that what you're saying now?

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

MrStuffins

cournioni wrote: »

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

Of course they don't. They care about themselves, that's the nature of business.

Even when a business puts back into the community it's always to it's own benefit in the form of positive press and other things of that nature.

But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's ONLY Multi-Nationals who do this!

Anyway, could you answer my initial question? What is it exactly that you think was worth more than the €44m received for the naming rights? is it as simple as you don't like MNCs?

Collie D

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No its not!

It's not for me to say how a private company spends its cash but I'd be highly pissed off if I was an Aviva employee being made redundant after that.

MrStuffins

Collie D wrote: »

It's not for me to say how a private company spends its cash but I'd be highly pissed off if I was an Aviva employee being made redundant after that.

We're completely getting off topic here. This thread isn't to do with the business practices of Aviva. It's to do with selling naming rights.

marienbad

cournioni wrote: »

I don't particularly care for any of the multinationals. That point was just to prove how much they really care about Ireland and its people.

Irish business dos'nt care about Ireland and its people either beyond how they can make money out of them- no different than multinationals. Business is in business to make money , end of story.

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MrStuffins wrote: »

Of course they don't. They care about themselves, that's the nature of business.

Even when a business puts back into the community it's always to it's own benefit in the form of positive press and other things of that nature.

But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's ONLY Multi-Nationals who do this!

Anyway, could you answer my initial question? What is it exactly that you think was worth more than the €44m received for the naming rights? is it as simple as you don't like MNCs?

Well if they don't care about the people then what are the IRFU and FAI doing taking them on?! €44 million would have earned almost a €40000 salary for those employees that have lost their jobs. Money from those lost wages could have easily gone back into the economy and even into buying tickets for games at Lansdowne Road.

The IRFU and FAI were looking for a quick buck to pay back the debt on their stadium and saved them from cutting their cronies wages. If they fired John Delaney and replace him with a volunteer like the GAA does, they would earn the €44million over 100 years, you could possibly half that if you do the same with the IRFU chief. That's two guys on the dole compared to 1000 and at that I think they would be fine... The GAA have survived.

steddyeddy

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Where do you stand on this ?.
It'll always be Landsdowne to me, same The Point & The Grand Canal.
At least Thomand Park didn't piss all over it's heritage for the fast buck.

Why not take this idiocy to the nth degree & sell the name of the country, any suggestions ?

It will never be boird gais theatre to me. I found that quite sickening.

Kev.OC

cournioni wrote: »

Well if they don't care about the people then what are the IRFU and FAI doing taking them on?! €44 million would have earned almost a €40000 salary for those employees that have lost their jobs. Money from those lost wages could have easily gone back into the economy and even into buying tickets for games at Lansdowne Road.

The IRFU and FAI were looking for a quick buck to pay back the debt on their stadium and saved them from cutting their cronies wages. If they fired John Delaney and replace him with a volunteer like the GAA does, they would earn the €44million over 100 years, you could possibly half that if you do the same with the IRFU chief. That's two guys on the dole compared to 1000 and at that I think they would be fine... The GAA have survived.

Ah now, come off it. I'm sorry now but there's not a hope that you can convince me that a company would seriously look into a 100 year business plan. That just doesn't happen.

Let's take it down a few notches here for a minute. You want to buy a Lamborghini for €250,000, but you only have €100,000. So you have two options;

A; Take out a loan. You'll have the Lambo but you'll spend the next 20 years paying it off. (€150,000 loan)

B; You're approached by Brembo (brake manufacturers) who say they'll match your €100,000 if you put a few decals on the car. (€50,000 loan)

It would be remarkably silly to unnecessarily burden yourself with massive debt repayments. Especially if in order to do so you refused to accept financial help from a third party for something that in all reality makes no difference to the quality product you receive or impedes with the use of said product.

For the record, Bord Gais Energy Theatre or whatever they're calling it now, does sound silly, but changing the name due to corporate sponsorship is a perfectly legitimate business practice and I'm not going to hold any grudges or lose any sleep because of that.

gurramok

humanji wrote: »

That's the best part. I can never remember if it's Landsdown or Landsdowne or some other variation. Aviva rolls off the tongue like a Mexican hooker.

Cue Italian tourist:How do I get to Aviva Stadium humanji?

humanji: Ciao, get the Dart to Lansdowne Road as that is where the stadium is. Ciao.

Cue random rock fan going to a concert: Sir, how to I get to the O2?

humanji: Madam, get the Luas to The Point and you're there!

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Kev.OC wrote: »

Ah now, come off it. I'm sorry now but there's not a hope that you can convince me that a company would seriously look into a 100 year business plan. That just doesn't happen.

Let's take it down a few notches here for a minute. You want to buy a Lamborghini for €250,000, but you only have €100,000. So you have two options;

A; Take out a loan. You'll have the Lambo but you'll spend the next 20 years paying it off. (€150,000 loan)

B; You're approached by Brembo (brake manufacturers) who say they'll match your €100,000 if you put a few decals on the car. (€50,000 loan)

It would be remarkably silly to unnecessarily burden yourself with massive debt repayments. Especially if in order to do so you refused to accept financial help from a third party for something that in all reality makes no difference to the quality product you receive or impedes with the use of said product.

For the record, Bord Gais Energy Theatre or whatever they're calling it now, does sound silly, but changing the name due to corporate sponsorship is a perfectly legitimate business practice and I'm not going to hold any grudges or lose any sleep because of that.

I would buy a Lamborghini, but I cannot afford to buy it, and I have no interest in taking out a ridiculous loan that would require me to stick a big dirty advertisement on the side of the car for ten years in order to pay it back. If there is a cheaper option that I can afford without ruining the look and style of the car, like sell the one I have and buy from a cheaper dealer down the country, I take that option.

If my heart is so set on getting this Lamborghini, but I still do not want to ruin its look and style, then I have to make some sacrifices in order to afford it, like giving up the hookers and cocaine for a girlfriend that costs me nothing.

Jesus Wept

Say the new name, that's what it's called.
Don't be a ****ing hipster and say the old name while bleating on about how it's corporate, you're likely a consumer of all sorts of ****e.

Riamfada wrote: »

If anyone from O2 see this


I WILL CHANGE MY NAME TO O2 FOR 1MILLION EURO.

I'll do it for ten grand.

Sky King

The-Rigger wrote: »

Don't be a ****ing hipster and say the old name while bleating on about how it's corporate, you're likely a consumer of all sorts of ****e..

I'm not a hipster. I eat Opal Fruits and Marathon bars and I go to concerts at the Point Depot.

Prob?