Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

Orando Broom

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jesus protest for your own dignity and protest against the fact that Ireland protects criminals.

Protesting against alleged criminals. I'd rather them be tried and convicted as opposed me aiding and abetting their escape from justice through prejudicing any potential case against them.

Secondly my dignity is intact and requires no balm. I feel bad that you are compelled to make such a gesture for yours. Time is a great healer.

Orando Broom

benway wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ff-minister-padraig-flynn-took-e50k-corrupt-payment-mahon-392481-Mar2012/

He has to be prosecuted. Has to be. Bertie might wriggle out of it, but Pee is fcked.

Pee will be the sacrificial lamb to sate our bloodlust. Bertie walks.

RobbingBandit

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder would there be any journalists that would be willing to dig a little deeper to open up a can of worms to turn the politicians against each other. All it will.take is something juicy and scandalous on Enda Kenny and I'm sure he will start to sing.

Bertie is being kicked out of the Galway tent tonight if RTE is to be believed:rolleyes:

Orando Broom

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder would there be any journalists that would be willing to dig a little deeper to open up a can of worms to turn the politicians against each other. All it will.take is something juicy and scandalous on Enda Kenny and I'm sure he will start to sing.

No. Journalists know where the politicians bury the truffles. Complicit gobdaws.

TheBigLebowski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM

steddyeddy

Orando Broom wrote: »

Protesting against alleged criminals. I'd rather them be tried and convicted as opposed me aiding and abetting their escape from justice through prejudicing any potential case against them.

Secondly my dignity is intact and requires no balm. I feel bad that you are compelled to make such a gesture for yours. Time is a great healer.

Sorry but If he was going to be tried and convicted why hasnt it happened now? This country has a long history of refusing to prosecute criminals like him and haughey. Nothing I could do would make his escape from justice more likely. Dont feel bad for me Ill be gone from the country in a few years It wont be my taxes lining the pockets of these criminals.

themandan6611

instead of an occupy dame street, there should be a occupy bertie residence - drive the fcuk*r out of the country (or lynch him like they would in south america)

goat2

benway wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ff-minister-padraig-flynn-took-e50k-corrupt-payment-mahon-392481-Mar2012/

He has to be prosecuted. Has to be. Bertie might wriggle out of it, but Pee is fcked.

why then is this farm not confiscated and sold on to get at least some payback and alleviate the hardworking taxpayer

Jack_Russell

we ALL know what happened.
we're living with the consequences, and so will our children/grand-children.
it's been going on for decades, back to the Haughey years.

Will there be any consequences? I very much doubt it.
Will anyone go to jail? Ditto
Will any retired public servant be stripped of his/her fat pension, or their ill-gotten gains? Ditto

This is Ireland.
Septic Isle.

ilovesleep

Orando Broom wrote: »

This country is a vested interest haven. Name me one person that the entire country could follow, leaving behind their own little parochial prejudices? I will not protest under a socialist, union or shimmer banner. Each in their own way have made a cock of this country too. They protest becaue they are contrary, not for justice or fairness but for their own enrichment. They want their shot at the title.

You're free to protest all you want. I just wouldn't recommend doing it outside his house. He'll have you arrested and dragged to a prison cell for a night. It will just make you worse off in the long run in that you will get a night in a cell followed with a court appearance while he may never be required to set foot in a courtroom for his wrong doings.

benway

goat2 wrote: »

why then is this farm not confiscated and sold on to get at least some payback and alleviate the hardworking taxpayer

Think he got hit by the Revenue for it - remains to be seen what further action will be taken.

Orando Broom wrote: »

Pee will be the sacrificial lamb to sate our bloodlust. Bertie walks.

There's no direct finding of corruption against him in the report - the cnut did virtually all of his dealings in cash, so there's no real paper trail to show what he did with the money. Will be very difficult to nail him ... CJ didn't call him, "'the most skilful, the most cunning, the most devious of them all'", for nothing.

Whatever about that pr!ck, I want to see Pee and every single one of the Councillors named for corruption in this report on trial before the end of the year - there's no excuse not to.

Mint Sauce

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

Orando Broom

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry but If he was going to be tried and convicted why hasnt it happened now? This country has a long history of refusing to prosecute criminals like him and haughey. Nothing I could do would make his escape from justice more likely. Dont feel bad for me Ill be gone from the country in a few years It wont be my taxes lining the pockets of these criminals.

That's the spirit! That esprit des corps that will see the ordinary Irishman win the day. Good on you. You have a cheek telling others what they should or should not be doing. You're as craven as any one of Bertie's drones. Another mé feiner.

I refuse to protest for the reason outlined above. You could not provide one cogent, coherent argument for or against what I posted. You are fodder for FF and FG; a know nothing blowhard.

steddyeddy

irish-stew wrote: »

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

His role in the north pales in comparison to John Hume's anyway. He took a lot more credit for that than he should of.

goat2

are these councillors from one county or are they from around the country, how many people are involved in this corruption, and from what backgrounds, are they all in government or are there non government in it also

ebixa82

From a statement tonight by Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin via Politico.ie:

I, together with the party’s officers with whom I have met and consulted, believe the conduct of Bertie Ahern as outlined in the evidence made public through the Tribunal and the findings of the Tribunal constitute conduct unbecoming a member of Fianna Fáil. Accordingly, I will propose a motion to expel him as a member of Fianna Fáil at the special meeting of National Executive. We are writing to Mr Ahern to inform him of this decision.

JeanLucPicard

irish-stew wrote: »

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

Im sure they wont loose much sleep over this....

They should be locked up in jail.

If it was me or any other Joe Public that committed such crimes (or even refusal to pay Household Charge) we'd be jailed.

I cant understand how more people are not demanding REAL justice not an expensive tribunal that will see few ensuing results.

The people of this country are equally as bad for not demanding proper investigations that will lead to
a) pensions frozen
b)assets seized
c) proper punishment for his crime

steddyeddy

Orando Broom wrote: »

That's the spirit! That esprit des corps that will see the ordinary Irishman win the day. Good on you. You have a cheek telling others what they should or should not be doing. You're as craven as any one of Bertie's drones. Another mé feiner.

I refuse to protest for the reason outlined above. You could not provide one cogent, coherent argument for or against what I posted. You are fodder for FF and FG; a know nothing blowhard.

First of all my area of work will see me out of the country by necessity for a few years, not by choice but in order to further my career I have to travel. Secondly I am fully commited to protesting against this man and this system.

Yet you seem to find my wish to protest offensive and resort to insults like blowhard no nothing, and another of berties drones because me like many in this country have to leave to find work? How is me trying to make an honest living for myself craven?

ilovesleep

ebixa82 wrote: »

From a statement tonight by Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin via Politico.ie:

I, together with the party’s officers with whom I have met and consulted, believe the conduct of Bertie Ahern as outlined in the evidence made public through the Tribunal and the findings of the Tribunal constitute conduct unbecoming a member of Fianna Fáil. Accordingly, I will propose a motion to expel him as a member of Fianna Fáil at the special meeting of National Executive. We are writing to Mr Ahern to inform him of this decision.

so they are going to expel him. That's all well and good but isn't the man retired. What good will expelling him do.

benway

goat2 wrote: »

are these councillors from one county or are they from around the country, how many people are involved in this corruption, and from what backgrounds, are they all in government or are there non government in it also

It's only Dublin that was covered, think 30 odd Councillors were involved:

http://www.thejournal.ie/which-councillors-were-labelled-corrupt-over-quarryvale-393002-Mar2012/

Full report:

http://www.planningtribunal.ie/images/sitecontent_921.pdf

The Journal's coverage is pretty comprehensive if your a sane individual with a life and don't have the time for that:

http://www.thejournal.ie/topic/mahon-tribunal/

Fighting Irish

RobbingBandit wrote: »

You sir did not live up to your name, Fighting Irish indeed!

I don't need to fight for other people who make mistakes, I didn't suffer from the celtic tiger and i can leave Ireland whenever i want

Orando Broom

Can he be sanctioned for bringing the office of Taoiseach into disrepute? Assuming he can; if the party who elected him leader and also Taoiseach sanction him, surely the state must follow suit. Strip him of his pensions and entitlements.

tayto lover

Too little, too late by F.F.

mrrepublic

F.F. will be back bigger, better and stronger. You cannot keep good hard working people down for long.

benway

Orando Broom wrote: »

Can he be sanctioned for bringing the office of Taoiseach into disrepute? Assuming he can; if the party who elected him leader and also Taoiseach sanction him, surely the state must follow suit. Strip him of his pensions and entitlements.

Absolutely. Not sure on bringing the office into disrepute, don't think there's such a charge here, will check now. But there has to be a way - it won't be easy, but the public need to make it clear that we demand it.

Eamon Ryan's on Vincent Browne now trying to say it was all the public's fault and Fianna Fáil were the party trying to fix all of it. Desperate stuff, they're fcked, I seriously think they might be done.

steddyeddy

ilovesleep wrote: »

You're free to protest all you want. I just wouldn't recommend doing it outside his house. He'll have you arrested and dragged to a prison cell for a night. It will just make you worse off in the long run in that you will get a night in a cell followed with a court appearance while he may never be required to set foot in a courtroom for his wrong doings.

It doesnt have to be outside his house or against bertie as a person rather against a system that fails to prosecute the criminals that have brought the country to its knees.

thebaz

hang on lads - sure he won the money the horses - all is forgiven

vote bertie for President

RobbingBandit

Trying to save some face here,too little too late. If this is looked at further corruption will be found in all walks of this pack of rats.

Stinicker

ilovesleep wrote: »

so they are going to expel him. That's all well and good but isn't the man retired. What good will expelling him do.

I think it is quite hypocritical of mehole considering he himself took payments from Owen O'Callaghan back in the 1990's which somehow ended up in his wifes bank account! I think corruption and gombeen stupidity is a prerequisite for people who both vote and are members of the Fianna Fail party.

suicide_circus

Doc Ruby wrote: »

These aren't the findings of a court of law because you wrote the laws that way you vile bollocks, and every soulless bastard that took a shilling from the Irish taxpayer in the name of this farce.

yes yes yes
the legal profession - absolute money grabbing greedy immoral filthbags.

Mint Sauce

JeanLucPicard wrote: »

Im sure they wont loose much sleep over this....

They should be locked up in jail.

If it was me or any other Joe Public that committed such crimes (or even refusal to pay Household Charge) we'd be jailed.

I cant understand how more people are not demanding REAL justice not an expensive tribunal that will see few ensuing results.

The people of this country are equally as bad for not demanding proper investigations that will lead to
a) pensions frozen
b)assets seized
c) proper punishment for his crime

In addition, these tribunials have no staning in court. The tribunial could decide no way or the other that Bertie was guilty of anything, only that his testomony was inconsistant, yet he still wants to fight the verdict. He's actually got away quite lightly.

Its seems these people are untouchable or uncountable for anything, and the ordinary joe soap are continuing to be stung.

steddyeddy

Can revenue make a case against him like they did with the garlic man?

mrrepublic

Stinicker wrote: »

I think it is quite hypocritical of mehole considering he himself took payments from Owen O'Callaghan back in the 1990's which somehow ended up in his wifes bank account! I think corruption and gombeen stupidity is a prerequisite for people who both vote and are members of the Fianna Fail party.

more S.F. trash trying to sneak ahead of F.F. in the polls. Don't forget that it was F.F. that built this country not S.F. or F.G.

benway

steddyeddy wrote: »

Can revenue make a case against him like they did with the garlic man?

He'll have to pay tax on the money it can clearly be demonstrated that he received, will be difficult to pin much more on him - he was cute enough not to generate a paper trail. The absolute cnut.

ilovesleep

benway wrote: »

Absolutely. Not sure on bringing the office into disrepute, don't think there's such a charge here, will check now. But there has to be a way - it won't be easy, but the public need to make it clear that we demand it.

Eamon Ryan's on Vincent Browne now trying to say it was all the public's fault and Fianna Fáil were the party trying to fix all of it. Desperate stuff, they're fcked, I seriously think they might be done.

Did the public win the money on the horses for him?

wexie

mrrepublic wrote: »

more S.F. trash trying to sneak ahead of F.F. in the polls. Don't forget that it was F.F. that ruined this country not S.F. or F.G.

FYP

Randy Anders

It doesn't matter what people say or do, Bertie simply won't give a ****.

Bertie and his ilk are what we call sociopaths, he lacks a conscience and empathy and will continue to lie to himself and others to satisfty his personality disorder

ilovesleep

mrrepublic wrote: »

more S.F. trash trying to sneak ahead of F.F. in the polls. Don't forget that it was F.F. that built this country not S.F. or F.G.

Built it on quicksand

benway

ilovesleep wrote: »

Did the public win the money on the horses for him?

Apparently the party line is that we all loved him and he would have been Taoiseach anyway even if Fianna Fáil tried to hold him to account or get rid of him. Sure they never really liked him anyway.

I'm not making this up.

ilovesleep

benway wrote: »

Apparently the party line is that we all loved him and he would have been Taoiseach anyway even if Fianna Fáil tried to hold him to account or get rid of him. Sure they never really liked him anyway.

I'm not making this up.

Jesus christ

Stinicker

mrrepublic wrote: »

more S.F. trash trying to sneak ahead of F.F. in the polls. Don't forget that it was F.F. that built this country not S.F. or F.G.

If you think I'm Sinn Fein your off your rocker, however SF have more credibility than Fianna Fail anyday. What have FF ever done for Ireland except Bankrupt it several times, allow Rome rule until the 1990's and steal billions whilst condemning millions of people and entire generations to the boat and plane to fling them to the far corners of the globe.

Fianna Fail have been a more destructive and negative force in Ireland than British Rule and if the boys of 1916 could have been brought forward and see what was done to our country and what was done with our "Independence" then they'd have decided not to bother I imagine. FF are a cancer on Irish society for far too long and they alongside the Catholic Church need to be eradicated rather quickly.

goat2

i will always remember p flynn on the late late all those years ago, complaining how hard it was to have a few houses with staff and all that, he blew his hole off,

Orando Broom

Stinicker wrote: »

If you think I'm Sinn Fein your off your rocker, however SF have more credibility than Fianna Fail anyday. What have FF ever done for Ireland except Bankrupt it several times, allow Rome rule until the 1990's and steal billions whilst condemning millions of people and entire generations to the boat and plane to fling them to the far corners of the globe.

Fianna Fail have been a more destructive and negative force in Ireland than British Rule and if the boys of 1916 could have been brought forward and see what was done to our country and what was done with our "Independence" then they'd have decided not to bother I imagine. FF are a cancer on Irish society for far too long and they alongside the Catholic Church need to be eradicated rather quickly.

Which was worse Pol Pot or Stalin? (nice little ribona around Godwin there!)

Both SF and FF are awful in their own unique way. Both parties eroded the quality of life on this Island in their own idiosyncratic manner.

rock chic

mrrepublic wrote: »

F.F. will be back bigger, better and stronger. You cannot keep good hard working people down for long.

are you serious

Stinicker

Orando Broom wrote: »

Which was worse Pol Pot or Stalin? (nice little ribona around Godwin there!)

Both SF and FF are awful in their own unique way. Both parties eroded the quality of life on this Island in their own idiosyncratic manner.

One eroded quality of life yes, however the other fought for the rights of an oppressed minority and made life in Northern Ireland much better for all today. To say say Sinn Fein are somehow as bad as Fianna Fail! :rolleyes:

Orando Broom

rock chic wrote: »

are you serious

He's a beautiful troll, one of our class leaders. Efficient, powerful.. Runs like a dream. You want righteous indignation, you NEED this troll.

token101

Sure what's a few hundred grand between friends? Didn't ye get a few shopping centres out of it? I think you should be down on your knees thanking Bertie and 'P'.

Orando Broom

Stinicker wrote: »

One eroded quality of life yes, however the other fought for the rights of an oppressed minority and made life in Northern Ireland much better for all today. To say say Sinn Fein are somehow as bad as Fianna Fail! :rolleyes:

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Tell that to Jean McConville and hundreds of others!

This is going off topic, I'll not engage with you further on this tangent. I absolutely, fundamentally disagree with you and your opinions on SF. I will add no more.

token101

goat2 wrote: »

i will always remember p flynn on the late late all those years ago, complaining how hard it was to have a few houses with staff and all that, he blew his hole off,

He's a greasy piece of human waste. He's pure scum. How he was ever elected by anyone is a reflection on the people that ever voted him in. People like him should be expelled from the country, let alone a party.

ilovesleep

Ok!

Can someone fill me in on the details about P Flynn. Who is he? What did he do?

Who were the others that were investigated in the tribunal? What dis they do?