Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

hondasam

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

steddyeddy

hondasam wrote: »

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

Indeed but I mean If I commit massive tax evasion and am massivley corrupt I cant just resign from my job and expect everything to be ok. Is the law in this country a bit slow?

hondasam

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed but I mean If I commit massive tax evasion and am massivley corrupt I cant just resign from my job and expect everything to be ok. Is the law in this country a bit slow?

I wonder if they can take his pension of him. He should not get away with everything and I don't think he will.

goat2

bet he will be back, next election, his hometown will support him

steddyeddy

hondasam wrote: »

I wonder if they can take his pension of him. He should not get away with everything and I don't think he will.

Sorry I wasnt getting at you with that post. I apologise if it came across that way. Yes I agree but theres enough reason to launch a criminal investigation against him.

hondasam

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry I wasnt getting at you with that post. I apologise if it came across that way. Yes I agree but theres enough reason to launch a criminal investigation against him.

It's ok did not think you were

There is but it would actually make me more than a little happy to see his pension taken from him, sad I know but he is so smug.

ilovesleep

hondasam wrote: »

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

What a god damn fcuking pri(k. He won't give us a small bit of satisfaction of seeing him ousted from his party. Not that it will mean much now after the damage he did to this country and not that it's enough justice.

All of FF should resign from politics, not just this ******.

hondasam

ilovesleep wrote: »

What a god damn fcuking pri(k. He won't give us a small bit of satisfaction of seeing him ousted from his party. Not that it will mean much now after the damage he did to this country and not that it's enough justice.

All of FF should resign from politics, not just this ******.

It's typical of Bertie to jump before he is pushed. I know the pension is a small thing but I don't think he should still get it. I agree there are plenty more like him in FF and FG.

patwicklow

Hes just jumped again so sly..

charlemont

steddyeddy wrote: »

I wait with baited breath to see wheter Bertie will be brought into a gaurda station for questioning over this.

It won't happen, I'd be almost full sure that Bertie would have lots of dirt on the Gardaí. So they won't touch him.

johngalway

Depeche Mode performed a song titled "Just can't get enough" many years ago.

I'm always reminded of it when I see FF hurting, good riddance to you shower of traitors. Looking forward to the extinction of that party.

Atlantic Dawn

Good move for him and FF, suits them both, no need to divide the party to push him when hes already jumped.

tayto lover

charlemont wrote: »

It won't happen, I'd be almost full sure that Bertie would have lots of dirt on the Gardaí. So they won't touch him.

Typical of you. Get your wee sneaky digs in.
What were you caught for anyway ?

ilovesleep

hondasam wrote: »

It's typical of Bertie to jump before he is pushed. I know the pension is a small thing but I don't think he should still get it. I agree there are plenty more like him in FF and FG.

His state funeral perk should be removed from him too.

Billyslaparse

hondasam wrote: »

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

Like the prisoner that kills himself in his cell the night before he's due to be hanged. Slithery dirty rat bast*ard is all he is

Phill Ewinn

They should disband or departy or whatevr you call it. Disarm the chancers, lay down their charms, hang up their bribes and surrender their assets to CAB.

Mr.Biscuits

If a man jumps from a cliff after being warned that if he doesn't, he will be pushed - has he really chosen to jump?

ilovesleep

What will happen to his St.Lukes office? Will he get to keep it or will it be taken from him?

Wild Bill

charlemont wrote: »

It won't happen, I'd be almost full sure that Bertie would have lots of dirt on the Gardaí.

I hope that isn't suggesting that Garda dirt is more acceptable than politician's dirt? :eek:

After FF, the political Establishment, the 'Golden Circle', the Catholic Church, the bankers - all found out but rarely punished - we must out one of the key pillars and facilitators crime and corruption.

The key to the Establishment's impunity down the years is the Garda.

Interwoven into the very fabric of the corrupt culture of the Establishment of the Southern State.

So far - the untouchables.

Let's start touching them

Mint Sauce

patwicklow wrote: »

Hes just jumped again so sly..

Saving his penson.

:mad:

ilovesleep

irish-stew wrote: »

Saving his penson.

:mad:

If he was expelled would his pension have been removed from him?

ilovesleep

hondasam wrote: »

He will not get that now, will he?

I hope not.

Wild Bill

ilovesleep wrote: »

I hope not.

Hardly matters - he has a millionaire daughter and another married to a millionaire pop person.

He won't starve.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Prime time to reform FF and do this country right, the twinkly eye'd bull****ing blueshirt time is up. WE'RE BACK!!

Mint Sauce

ilovesleep wrote: »

If he was expelled would his pension have been removed from him?

Could be wrong, but anyone I asked said it would.

Radharc na Sleibhte

I hope karma exists, I really, really do.

ilovesleep

Wild Bill wrote: »

Hardly matters - he has a millionaire daughter and another married to a millionaire pop person.

He won't starve.

Hondasam and I were talking about his state funeral. Off course he's not going to starve when's dead - he'll be dead. He has millionaire daughters. Let them pay for his funeral. Giving that man a state funeral will be giving him too much respect and not only that it will be state funded.

He was in a position to care for this country and all he did was care for his pockets and his mates pockets while sending this country into penury. When he kicks the bucket I do not want him to further drain from us.

Doc Ruby

ilovesleep wrote: »

If he was expelled would his pension have been removed from him?

No, his pension is due to his time in office, not due to his party affiliation. FF don't pay for his pension or anyone's pension. If they had to the party would be bankrupt in a matter of weeks. And if you think he has to depend on his family you're very much mistaken.

Wretch, may he die roaring for a priest.

jased10s

He stresses that this is a political decision, and not in any way an admission of wrongdoing.
LOLZ

Vindicate his good name !

DOUBLE LOLZ

have i just walked in to a diseny novel ?

and the fupper still gets his pension paid by us , what a country.

Doc Ruby

Both himself and the drunk Cowen are costing you the taxpayer over €150,000 a year in pensions:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html

I'm not sure whether he's still drawing a salary or expenses for any other government positions as well, almost certainly. His garda escort isn't free.

Wild Bill

ilovesleep wrote: »

He was in a position to care for this country and all he did was care for his pockets and his mates pockets while sending this country into penury. When he kicks the bucket I do not want him to further drain from us.

Don't disagree. But it applies to most Southern politicians for the past 40 years.

And the evil still goes on...as we speak...under the name of Enda/Gilmore.

That's actually more serious - because it's current - Bertie is history. :cool:

Popeleo

ilovesleep wrote: »

His state funeral perk should be removed from him too.

On the contrary. He should definitely receive it...

..once it happens this year.We can make it happen.
I'm sure we could tack on a question to one of the upcoming referenda to make it quasi-legitimate.

kryogen

irish-stew wrote: »

Could be wrong, but anyone I asked said it would.

His pension is given by the Dail not his party so whoever you are asking doesnt know what they are talking about. Him being expelled from the party will actually have no bearing on anything whatsoever except he wont be getting invited to the Ard Fheis etc

rock chic

kryogen wrote: »

I can't help liking Bertie tbh.

Nice chap, very good with people, far more charismatic and likable then most eejit Irish politicians.

The Tribunal didn't even call him a liar in the legal sense of the word, there is a difference between that and not accepting his account. Also, is there not more important things to be focusing on now at this time? Making him a scapegoat is fun and all that, but the system that he was part of is and was the problem, whatever he did or didn't do you can bet he was not alone.

Thanks for the great work on the Good Friday Agreement (among other things)Bertie, especially the dedication shown after the passing of your mother. People are very rarely black and white, and while I don't believe he is a saint, I won't demonising him either. Not the worst by a long shot.

another troll i see:mad:

Readyhed

He should have let the FF party expel him. Might have got a standing ovation as well.

kryogen

Popeleo wrote: »

On the contrary. He should definitely receive it...

..once it happens this year.We can make it happen.
I'm sure we could tack on a question to one of the upcoming referenda to make it quasi-legitimate.

So you are advocating murdering him?

Great, you must be a sound lad altogether eh

The King of Moo

kryogen wrote: »

So you are advocating murdering him?

Great, you must be a sound lad altogether eh

Well maybe he is, as you said Bertie is a nice chap, and he advocated people killing themselves, which is kind of similar.

kryogen

rock chic wrote: »

another troll i see:mad:

Makes you mad when peoples opinions differ from your own? Internet may not be for you love.

Also, personal abuse is never a good place to start when trying to take a moral high ground.

ilovesleep

kryogen wrote: »

So you are advocating murdering him?

Great, you must be a sound lad altogether eh

His should take his own advice of suicide.

kryogen

The King of Moo wrote: »

Well maybe he is, as you said Bertie is a great guy, and he advocated people killing themselves, which is kind of similar.

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Sir Oxman

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Both himself and the drunk Cowen are costing you the taxpayer over €150,000 a year in pensions:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html

I'm not sure whether he's still drawing a salary or expenses for any other government positions as well, almost certainly. His garda escort isn't free.

EACH. For life.

What a country. What a joke.

jased10s

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Both himself and the drunk Cowen are costing you the taxpayer over €150,000 a year in pensions:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html

I'm not sure whether he's still drawing a salary or expenses for any other government positions as well, almost certainly. His garda escort isn't free.

Some how i think his garda escort may want a pay rise with all the people that want to kill him.

Also i cant beleive it took 15 years to find out.

Also how many solicitors got minted off this so called inquiry ?

ilovesleep

kryogen wrote: »

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Can someone please provide a youtube clip of Bertie recommending suicide for this person please. I do not know how to link a youtube video.

The King of Moo

kryogen wrote: »

So you are advocating murdering him?

Great, you must be a sound lad altogether eh

kryogen wrote: »

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Originally posted by Bertie Ahern
Sitting on the sidelines, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity. I don't know how people who engage in that don't commit suicide because frankly the only thing that motivates me is being able to actively change something.

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there .

ilovesleep

gambiaman wrote: »

EACH. For life.

What a country. What a joke.

And early pensions too. Most of the FF pension receivers aren't all that old. While they upped the retirement age for us to 68.

kryogen

ilovesleep wrote: »

His should take his own advice of suicide.

Which advice?

He made an off the cuff remark regarding people who are constant doomsday sayers, he also apologized, he did not tell them to commit suicide did he? he did not advocate it or say it was the right thing to do.

He questioned how people who see the world so negatively go on living, stupid yes, the point he was trying to make is clear however, and there is a slight difference in advocating killing someone and making a brash statement rejecting some analysts ideas.

The analysts in question were correct, the statements they made were widely available publicly, more so due to his stupid remark, why didnt people heed the advice given?

ilovesleep

The King of Moo wrote: »

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there .

I don't know what your definition of suicide is but suicide is to kill oneself.

kryogen

The King of Moo wrote: »

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there .

You dont really need me to respond to you anymore do you?

You seem to have quite a good grasp of logic there, I'm sure you can fill in both sides of the conversation yourself. Enjoy

kryogen

ilovesleep wrote: »

Can someone please provide a youtube clip of Bertie recommending suicide for this person please. I do not know how to link a youtube video.

Em, when did I claim Bertie recommended suicide to someone?

Did I not in fact totally refute that claim?

He never told anybody to commit suicide!

Edit- Ah I see you said, anybody, well I can save you some time, you will not be able to find any clip or statement anywhere that has Bertie recommending suicide to someone.

The King of Moo

ilovesleep wrote: »

I don't know what your definition of suicide is but suicide is to kill oneself.

Eh... I know.

I'm saying that he didn't strictly say they should kill themselves, just that he doesn't understand how they don't.

It's still a despicable and stupid thing to say, but I think kryogen is arguing that that distinction is important, and that despite the remark and all evidence to the contrary, Bertie is "a nice chap."