What do you think happens when you die?

Logical Fallacy

ThinksAmoral wrote: »

My mind just went boom!

Watch The 13th Floor.

It's a fairly **** movie but the whole plot of it is basically what Wibbs is talking about.

Born to Die

I will meet my maker and he will judge me on the life I have led. This judgement will determine where I spend eternity.

I try to live as per the instructions he laid out for us all.

leggo

Wibbs wrote: »

Well some actual non loony physicists have suggested one theory of reality. Namely that while physics would appear to put barriers in the way of time travel into the past, future hyper civilisations of our descendants may construct near perfect immersive simulations of the past and we could be living in one now. In these simulations the vast majority of us would be hypersprites, actually conscious sims while a tiny few would be "players". Maybe those players are the rare ones who have near death experiences as they come out of the simulation. The ones who don't are the sims. Or maybe we're all such players in the game? **** knows

Interesting. The ****e people think of when they're stoned. :cool:

Wattle

Born to Die wrote: »

I will meet my maker and he will judge me on the life I have led. This judgement will determine where I spend eternity.

I try to live as per the instructions he laid out for us all.

155,000 die every day. I hope your not expecting a long meeting.

Mr.Crinklewood

You either become a moderator or get banned.

AngryBollix

We'll all soon find out

TeddyTedson

If they made a pill that allowed me to live forever I'd take it, and take my chances of missing out on an after life.
I'm happy enough here, on the planet Earth.

LH Pathe

Slowly We Rot.

and that's before we're even dead yet

philologos

housetypeb wrote: »

He must spend all of his time judging the dead then as people are dying every second,or does he even bother with a trial and just rubber stamp large groups at a time to give himself a break?
How does he have time to bask in the worship of his fans if he is engaged full time as judge, jury and executioner.

Wattle wrote: »

155,000 die every day. I hope your not expecting a long meeting.

That is if we exclude the possibility of omnipotence, and indeed whether or not time constrains the hereafter & God in the same way as it constrains us.

As for "basking" in anything, I honestly don't think that's God's aim or ambition. Rather He is more interested in us knowing Him, and living for Him in the world that He created because He cares about us.

Wibbs

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Actually, the effective likelihood of that being true will grow dramatically on the day when we ourselves can do it, as if we can do something, then it could already have been done and could in fact be what we perceive as truth.

****ed up, right?

That it is LF. Like you say the likelihood would grow dramatically if we did it. One could argue we're already on the path to it. Look at the video games of today compared to ten years ago, or twenty. Caught a snippet of Avatar while channel hopping yesterday and I'll be shocked if that level of detail won't be in video games in ten years, more likely sooner. In a thousand years? The immersive experience will likely mimic reality as makes no difference. It'll probably be more real.

I've long had a theory of sorts :D concerning aliens and how they might plug into this notion in a broader sense. We currently see no evidence of alien civilisations spreading across galaxies. You would think we should given there has been enough time to do it(we're quite "late" to the party). One reason may be that they're out there, but have retreated/moved into an internal hyper reality of their making. That "the future" doesn't look like Star Trek/Wars. That when a species becomes technological, they have a brief period where they physically leave their planet on short trips, but the growth in parallel tech like computing power soon renders this expensive and pretty pointless. That if they "travel" at all it's using technological "avatars". EG we went to the moon 40 years ago(the loonies at the back can put their hands down). Since then we've not been back, but have sent probes all over the solar system. Primitive at the moment avatars. Fast forward a few thousand years when we've essentially evolved beyond our physical and mental limitations, where we connect to reality in very very different ways. New eyes, ears, and fingers. A civilisation like that would be very "quiet". Most of the time experiencing reality in ways we can't even begin to imagine.

It could go wrong too. They could go too far into the internal and live in a reality that makes heaven look like it's not really trying and essentially stagnate. An entire civilisation of spotty teenagers playing bleepy games and endlessly fapping. Unlikely? I dunno, I'd put good money that there will be women out there this morning who didn't get the roide last night because their boyfriend was tugging his plum to porn in another room.

Then there is the possibility that we will get to a stage were we could create a real physical universe in the lab. Give birth to a new one. After all the universe was "born" it "matures" apace and one day it'll "die". If the Gaia theory has any purchase in reality when it comes to a planet, then why can't that analogy be taken to a further conclusion? In that universal lifetime, one thing is missing. Reproduction. Maybe that's the purpose of intelligent life? We're the reproductive organs of universes. If so the next time someone calls you a prick or a c u next tuesday, take pride in it.

Doc Ruby

Wibbs wrote: »

That it is LF. Like you say the likelihood would grow dramatically if we did it. One could argue we're already on the path to it. Look at the video games of today compared to ten years ago, or twenty. Caught a snippet of Avatar while channel hopping yesterday and I'll be shocked if that level of detail won't be in video games in ten years, more likely sooner. In a thousand years? The immersive experience will likely mimic reality as makes no difference. It'll probably be more real.

That's the transhumanist movement, who want all human intelligences to be uploaded into computers. Its an interesting concept but I'd be against it myself since it would be impossible to know whether or not your mind had been tampered with while not in a body. Some sysadmin could decide to borg the entire species.

Wibbs wrote: »

I've long had a theory of sorts :D concerning aliens and how they might plug into this notion in a broader sense. We currently see no evidence of alien civilisations spreading across galaxies.

Do we not?

zenno

What do you think happens when you die

Well what happens is your physical body dies and the electrical part of you "which some might call a soul" carries on, to where i don't know but i had a taste of it many years ago and i am positive this is the case.

Matter is just atoms and particles but it is the electrical part of you and every living thing that is not destroyed so it goes somewhere.

KeithAFC

Probably how it was before you were born. Unless we grow a soul or something....

MrStuffins

Born to Die wrote: »

I will meet my maker and he will judge me on the life I have led. This judgement will determine where I spend eternity.

I try to live as per the instructions he laid out for us all.

Awwwwwww....... how cute

saa

I'm really in the mood for sour cream and onion pringles..

KeithAFC

philologos wrote: »

That is if we exclude the possibility of omnipotence, and indeed whether or not time constrains the hereafter & God in the same way as it constrains us.

As for "basking" in anything, I honestly don't think that's God's aim or ambition. Rather He is more interested in us knowing Him, and living for Him in the world that He created because He cares about us.

Phil, you could use that argument for so many gods Humans have created in history. I mean, it just isn't realistic is it. I could write a book now about a god, just make it up and then live my life in comfort thinking I will meet said god when I die.

No evidence to back it up at all. It is just a comfort for people who are afraid to die.

Wibbs

Doc Ruby wrote: »

That's the transhumanist movement, who want all human intelligences to be uploaded into computers. Its an interesting concept but I'd be against it myself since it would be impossible to know whether or not your mind had been tampered with while not in a body. Some sysadmin could decide to borg the entire species.

True, though I think if it happens it would be more gradual evolution of the process, not a one off mind dump kinda thing.

Do we not?

Now that's interesting and a connection I never heard of. Yea you never know it is possible alright.

Duggy747

I die and that's it for me, kaput, I return to the earth.

Life existed before me and it will carry on after me...............unless I become a super-villian, build a doomsday device and take you all with me.

Wattle

philologos wrote: »

That is if we exclude the possibility of omnipotence, and indeed whether or not time constrains the hereafter & God in the same way as it constrains us.

So a God day could be a billion years compared to our 24 hours? This stuff is worthy of L.Ron Hubbard.

Ghost Buster

Why 'think' or imagine what happens after you die. Why specualte on something which can never ever ever be verified?
You die, your brain stops, your heart stops, you get cremated or buried, you eventually return to dust and if lucky something nice grows out of you. That is all we know. The rest is wishful thinking

Cee-Jay-Cee

I would hate to think that there was nothing after i died which is why i believe there is something. I have no idea what it is just that it is some form of existence. That is my belief, if you think otherwise good for you. I'll stick to my version as its better than yours.

MrStuffins

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Why specualte on something which can never ever ever be verified?

Billions of people do this every day.

See: Belief in God

MrStuffins

CJC999 wrote: »

I would hate to think that there was nothing after i died which is why i believe there is something.

You believe something because you wouldnt like if there was nothing beyond this life?

That has to be one of the weakest things I've ever read! Sorry, but thats pretty pathetic.... no offense!

zenno

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Why 'think' or imagine what happens after you die. Why specualte on something which can never ever ever be verified?
You die, your brain stops, your heart stops, you get cremated or buried, you eventually return to dust and if lucky something nice grows out of you. That is all we know. The rest is wishful thinking

It has been verified many a time throughout the decades from people that claim there is something after death and these are people that have died and were resuscitated and this cannot be disputed as it is well recorded and documented in data findings. but it all depends on an individuals perspective on life and on their understanding on how they understand matter in a scientific way. as i have said the electrical part of you which as we know runs constantly in your brain and is forever fueling your consciousness is the part that i recon lives on and is what makes us.

All this physical talk about body dies and that is it is draconian thinking as the physical body is just a container and nothing else, it's just that, a container which is run by electrical consciousness of which science still does not understand.

old_aussie

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

You go to heaven and have sex with 72 people who were so unlucky that they died virgins.

I think that's only if you kill a few infidels before you die. Some people are crazy enought to believe this.

Yakult

I personally don't believe theirs an afterlife or what ever you wanna call it. I hope their is but it seems highly unlikely considering the b/s that is religion and all of its lies and bed time stories. Heaven is a made up place so people will find comfort in death and accept it easier.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it but its better not too because then you might actually find death a bit more freaking scary.

believe in rebirth

there's nothing "comforting" or "hopeful" about it really, just how i think it is

doesn't have much effect on day to day living

Logical Fallacy

zenno wrote: »

It has been verified many a time throughout the decades from people that claim there is something after death and these are people that have died and were resuscitated and this cannot be disputed as it is well recorded and documented in data findings.

Yeah, I mean it's not like these people were under the influence of one of the most powerful psychedelics known to man at the time.

Oh hang on, they were, and I will be when I die and so will you.

Celly Smunt

i reckon we become energy in some way shape or form.

Cee-Jay-Cee

MrStuffins wrote: »

You believe something because you wouldnt like if there was nothing beyond this life?

That has to be one of the weakest things I've ever read! Sorry, but thats pretty pathetic.... no offense!

None taken, i believe that because my dad died 10 years ago and i would hate to think that he no longer exists anywhere and that death is final.

I probably worded my earlier post badly. I believe that there is more to our existence than simply our life on earth but like i said i have no idea what that something is only that there is another 'life'

I would hate to find while alive that there was nothing afterwards.

Celly Smunt

CJC999 wrote: »

None taken, i believe that because my dad died 10 years ago and i would hate to think that he no longer exists anywhere and that death is final.

i agree with you to be honest,the original poster is of no higher order to determine what happens after death as you and therefore any opinion with any back up is enough to be worthy as nobody knows what really happens.

MrStuffins

CJC999 wrote: »

None taken, i believe that because my dad died 10 years ago and i would hate to think that he no longer exists anywhere and that death is final.

I probably worded my earlier post badly. I believe that there is more to our existence than simply our life on earth but like i said i have no idea what that something is only that there is another 'life'

I would hate to find while alive that there was nothing afterwards.

As would we all. I'd love to think that after I die I can see and spend eternity with dead loved ones........ but this is no reason to believe in something. Unfortunately live doesn't work this way (or maybe it does, there's only one way to find out sadly)

zenno

Yakult wrote: »

I personally don't believe theirs an afterlife or what ever you wanna call it. I hope their is but it seems highly unlikely considering the b/s that is religion and all of its lies and bed time stories. Heaven is a made up place so people will find comfort in death and accept it easier.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it but its better not too because then you might actually find death a bit more freaking scary.

Ok, all i can say is this...

(1) I am not religious and never was and never will be so thats out the window.

(2) I have had personal experience with this phenomena called out of body as well, and understanding that when you die your physical body dies and that's true but not the real you that is trapped inside this container.

Now most people would be likened to believe that anyone that talks about this just like i am are religious people but i am far far from any religious organization as i do not support this old worship game.

my understanding after 30 years of pondering on it and studying such information makes me believe 100% that when the physical matter body dies it dies but the electrical energy consciousness moves on. anyway i expect no one to believe a word i say as you have your own minds to ponder this but i know what i say is the real truth 'in my personal opinion'.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it

Yes this is silly because if you understand the real meaning of heaven it means sky/space and not a luxurious palace in la la land. the same goes for hell depth, underneath, underworld, below, but people still believe this crazy stuff i.e who's the real crazy ones ?.

Celly Smunt

MrStuffins wrote: »

As would we all. I'd love to think that after I die I can see and spend eternity with dead loved ones........ but this is no reason to believe in something. Unfortunately live doesn't work this way (or maybe it does, there's only one way to find out sadly)

and that's your opinion,you don't know anymore to the next.

prinz

If I knew that, I wouldn't spend so much time worrying about the small stuff. Ashes to ashes bodywise that's for sure.

Logical Fallacy

zenno wrote: »

Ok, all i can say is this...

(1) I am not religious and never was and never will be so thats out the window.

(2) I have had personal experience with this phenomena called out of body as well, and understanding that when you die your physical body dies and that's true but not the real you that is trapped inside this container.

Now most people would be likened to believe that anyone that talks about this just like i am are religious people but i am far far from any religious organization as i do not support this old worship game.

my understanding after 30 years of pondering on it and studying such information makes me believe 100% that when the physical matter body dies it dies but the electrical energy consciousness moves on. anyway i expect no one to believe a word i say as you have your own minds to ponder this but i know what i say is the real truth.

You see, the bolded part is my issue. You don't know it's the real truth, it's your opinion. The difference between the two is monumental and that last line kind of stops me approaching your post as being an expression of your opinion and experiences and basically turns it into you saying "I am right and you are wrong".

MrStuffins

pmcmahon wrote: »

and that's your opinion,you don't know anymore to the next.

What's my opinion? I don't get what your point here is? I said "Life doesn't work this way... or maybe it does"........ is THIS what you mean was my opinion"?

Or the part about reasons why to and not to believe in something?

Wattle

Yakult wrote: »

I personally don't believe theirs an afterlife or what ever you wanna call it. I hope their is but it seems highly unlikely considering the b/s that is religion and all of its lies and bed time stories. Heaven is a made up place so people will find comfort in death and accept it easier.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it but its better not too because then you might actually find death a bit more freaking scary.

Only the nice dinosaurs will make it to heaven. I imagine that the Velociraptors and the T-Rex's would be busy terrifying unbelievers in hell.

zenno

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

You see, the bolded part is my issue. You don't know it's the real truth, it's your opinion. The difference between the two is monumental and that last line kind of stops me approaching your post as being an expression of your opinion and experiences and basically turns it into you saying "I am right and you are wrong".

No problem, I should have said in my opinion but i feel it the truth imo. hope that clears that up. you made a valid adjustment to my wording and that is perfectly fine.

MadameGascar

Ecstasy & then mush forever!

zenno

About 80 years ago, scientists discovered that it is possible to be in two locations at the same time—at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics. At that size range, every bit of matter and energy exists in a state of blurry flux, allowing it to occupy not just two locations but an infinite number of them simultaneously. this is the study people should be trying to understand in relation to the human body and it's connected or not so connected parts.

leggo

zenno wrote: »

Yakult wrote: »

I personally don't believe theirs an afterlife or what ever you wanna call it. I hope their is but it seems highly unlikely considering the b/s that is religion and all of its lies and bed time stories. Heaven is a made up place so people will find comfort in death and accept it easier.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it but its better not too because then you might actually find death a bit more freaking scary.

Ok, all i can say is this...

(1) I am not religious and never was and never will be so thats out the window.

(2) I have had personal experience with this phenomena called out of body as well, and understanding that when you die your physical body dies and that's true but not the real you that is trapped inside this container.

Now most people would be likened to believe that anyone that talks about this just like i am are religious people but i am far far from any religious organization as i do not support this old worship game.

my understanding after 30 years of pondering on it and studying such information makes me believe 100% that when the physical matter body dies it dies but the electrical energy consciousness moves on. anyway i expect no one to believe a word i say as you have your own minds to ponder this but i know what i say is the real truth.

Did "god" create Dinosaurs? Will they be in heaven? Its all so silly when you think of it

Yes this is silly because if you understand the real meaning of heaven it means sky/space and not a luxurious palace in la la land. the same goes for hell depth, underneath, underworld, below, but people still believe this crazy stuff i.e who's the real crazy ones ?.

Have a read of the book 'Paranormality' by Professor Richard Wiseman. It gives a good, scientific account of how out of body experiences happen and how they can be recreated.

And also remember that our mind can also trick us, alas we are restrained by our own nature. Our need to apply reason and understanding to a subject doesn't combine well with an experience like 'out-of-body', which both feels completely genuine but is inexplicable. It can lead us to draw our own, slightly skewed, beliefs on events. And while some may call you crazy for doing so, you're actually completely sane and obeying your exact nature to a tee.

zenno

leggo wrote: »

Have a read of the book 'Paranormality' by Professor Richard Wiseman. It gives a good, scientific account of how out of body experiences happen and how they can be recreated.

And also remember that our mind can also trick us, alas we are restrained by our own nature. Our need to apply reason and understanding to a subject doesn't combine well with an experience like 'out-of-body', which both feels completely genuine but is inexplicable. It can lead us to draw our own, slightly skewed, beliefs on events. And while some may call you crazy for doing so, you're actually completely sane and obeying your exact nature to a tee.

I seen and read that but it is only a lazy scientific way out of the question.

read my above comment and study this instead of believing in what a lazy scientist says ?. electrons are a grasp of the understanding of what i am trying to ingest to peoples thinking protocols.

Look we could go on about this for decades and more but we have our own opinions on this matter. I know 'in my opinion' that death is not the end card and I cannot prove it and neither should I as this is the way I see it personally, everyone else has a working mind and can, through experience find the real reality they believe to be the correct one, as I have said before if people want to believe that they are only matter without substance then so be it but they are stuck in a box imo and they need to look outside of this box and expand their thinking to a higher degree of understanding.

leggo

Ah look mate, I'm not trying to demean your experience here. I'm just saying that your experience can be recreated under controlled circumstances. That is factual, I've tried it myself. So whether you feel that Wiseman is lazy or not, it's really irrelevant. Not trying to argue or, like I said, demean your experience. If anything, I felt you'd get a bit of comfort in knowing that you weren't insane. But you seem determined to push your own theory in spite of evidence to the contrary, so good luck to you!

RussellTuring

When I die I'll hopefully have a few organs that can be donated to prolong the lives of others, those who care about me will grieve for a while and I'll be disposed of in a way that doesn't take up any more space than is necessary, cremation being the front-runner at the moment.

To believe anything that involves my consciousness somehow remaining intact is understandable but until there's a bit of evidence it's just speculation and wishful thinking. I wasn't conscious before I was born and it doesn't look like I will be after I die. The thought that this is my only chance to experience the things I want to makes my life all the more precious than if I thought it was only a brief prologue to the real story.

zenno wrote: »

About 80 years ago, scientists discovered that it is possible to be in two locations at the same time—at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics. At that size range, every bit of matter and energy exists in a state of blurry flux, allowing it to occupy not just two locations but an infinite number of them simultaneously. this is the study people should be trying to understand in relation to the human body and it's connected or not so connected parts.

If you're talking about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle then that's not what it said at all. The fact that we don't know if A or B is true doesn't mean that they both are, for much the same reason that the Earth orbited the Sun even when we didn't know it.

Zillah

Nothing but the screaming empty horror of the void.

zenno

leggo wrote: »

Ah look mate, I'm not trying to demean your experience here. I'm just saying that your experience can be recreated under controlled circumstances. That is factual, I've tried it myself. So whether you feel that Wiseman is lazy or not, it's really irrelevant. Not trying to argue or, like I said, demean your experience. If anything, I felt you'd get a bit of comfort in knowing that you weren't insane. But you seem determined to push your own theory in spite of evidence to the contrary, so good luck to you!

Not at all leggo I'm not trying to push anything, I just know, that's all, but this is just my opinion on this thread in relation to what happens after death. The last thing I want to do is push anything on anyone but my own experience in this field is strong so it may seem that I am pushing but I don't want that to be the case in any shape or form.

Although this is a very interesting thread I will leave it as it is as I have said my piece in what I believe so peace man either way on a good topical debate.

OneArt

I do "astral travel" now and then (it's fun when you get to control it). From the whole experience, what I keep seeing in relation to things in the "real" world, I would be inclined to think that the awareness leaves the body.

Not saying this is for sure, maybe there is another explanation like remembering what the room looked like. From this standpoint however, it does seem a little probable.

I'm not a huge believer in an "afterlife" as such though, I'm more into the idea of Buddhist rebirth whereby there is a "stream" of consciousness passing from one life to the next. They're similar but not identical, so there isn't really a "soul" as a human is just made of different parts (mind, body, "spirit", emotions etc) that separate when you die.

I think its more just like recycling energy in the universe. I wouldn't like to remain in my current conscious state now until kingdom come, I'd go spare.

Zillah

OneArt wrote: »

I do "astral travel" now and then (it's fun when you get to control it). From the whole experience, what I keep seeing in relation to things in the "real" world, I would be inclined to think that the awareness leaves the body.

It is called lucid dreaming. Here's a test for you: Randomly pick three playing cards from a deck and without looking at them put them on top of the fridge face up. Go check out the fridge during your "astral travel" and tell me if you can read the cards correctly (you can't).

Ghost Buster

zenno wrote: »

It has been verified many a time throughout the decades from people that claim there is something after death and these are people that have died and were resuscitated and this cannot be disputed as it is well recorded and documented in data findings. but it all depends on an individuals perspective on life and on their understanding on how they understand matter in a scientific way. as i have said the electrical part of you which as we know runs constantly in your brain and is forever fueling your consciousness is the part that i recon lives on and is what makes us.

All this physical talk about body dies and that is it is draconian thinking as the physical body is just a container and nothing else, it's just that, a container which is run by electrical consciousness of which science still does not understand.

The highlighted words are all that is needed.
Claiming something and reckoning something does not make a fact. I have had a number of operations in my life and going under anaesthetic sounds exactly like the experiences of those who have died and been resuscitated. I didnt interpret them as returning from the dead as i knew i had been under anaesthetic. Had It been otherwise and I religious...who knows....