Black Irish

lcrcboy

What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west

lividduck

Oh boy, this is going to be good!:D

DConway

YouTube black Irish of Montserrat. It's a Caribbean island, and a lot of the population are of Irish decent! There's even a cork accent on one of them!

danslevent

lcrcboy wrote: »

What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west

Ahh, the hotties among us. Don't question their origin, just bask in their beauty :P

saa

Oh.. I thought this would be about black Irish folks who have immigrant parents, never heard of that term. Is this a big contentious issue in the west? Maybe the milkman has something to do with it theres a lot of hairy babies on the island.

amacachi

Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.

Balmed Out

this thread may be of interest to you

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66071712

0066ad

lcrcboy wrote: »

What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west

Ha Ha! you must be ginger

lcrcboy

0066ad wrote: »

lcrcboy wrote: »

What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west

Ha Ha! you must be ginger

Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha

lividduck

amacachi wrote: »

Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.

When did he die?

0066ad

lcrcboy wrote: »

Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha[/QUOTE


Alot of people mistake me for being spanish, till i open my mouth.

When i was a kid, they use to call me ni**er, but now i know they

were just jealous of my handsomeness.

The_Thing

Guinness

lcrcboy

0066ad wrote: »

lcrcboy wrote: »

Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha[/QUOTE


Alot of people mistake me for being spanish, till i open my mouth

I'm the biggest joke for puerto ricans in the US, they think it's funny to see one of their own with a big paddy accent haha

MickySticks

Jason Sherlock

BickNarry

Alot of Reggae musicians and singers had Irish names. Susan Cadogan, Marcia Griffiths etc..... and I noticed the similarity with Irish accents, so I went about finding a link. This was pre-Marley and the rastafari take over so the accents were softer and many spoke with little patois (I and I etc.) Well, here's the info.

http://youtu.be/0QHYFXDGf4Y

http://youtu.be/0v5iLqy9Ap8

LH Pathe

i don't worry .. When'er I see a black irish fellah in a purple shellsuit.. got a pocket full o rainbows...

not yet

What about obama..he's black orish isn't he.

What I'd like to know is what about the red irish, ya know with the forecast being for sun and high temps.

as125634do

tell me bout it. i was in coffeeshop in amsterdam and some huge eastern european guy kept calling me a jew. wus loike im ireeesh man irish irish.
wasnt going to disagree so i ripped out my circumsiced knob and he was like smelly jew die...we were far too stoned tho. oh ho ho mary jane id marry you but the establishment is muddling in our love

Rented Mule

amacachi wrote: »

Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.

He should be.....because he's not dead !!

Immaculate Pasta

Hmm interesting. My family come from the West of Ireland and I have the same look as described in the OP and a lot of my family out there share this trait. I never really thought about it to be honest. I always thought I got it from the other side to my family. It's very likely that there would have been some intermingling going on as my family live right by the coast. I'm going to ask about this next time I'm home :cool:

44leto

They bare the mark of Cain.

I remember reading something about our origins and southern Spain is prominent.

For those who are interested Red heads are nordic in origin.

Micky Dolenz

The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

Nodin

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

Hmm interesting. My family come from the West of Ireland and I have the same look as described in the OP and a lot of my family out there share this trait. I never really thought about it to be honest. I always thought I got it from the other side to my family. It's very likely that there would have been some intermingling going on as my family live right by the coast. I'm going to ask about this next time I'm home :cool:

Careful how you phrase it though.

Immaculate Pasta

Nodin wrote: »

Careful how you phrase it though.

Haha true. Intermingling wouldn't go too down well with the old school Catholics :pac:

Spread

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

Maybe from the raid of Baltimore!

Is it because I is Irish

the keen edge

44leto wrote: »

They bare the mark of Cain.

I remember reading something about our origins and southern Spain is prominent.

For those who are interested Red heads are nordic in origin.

There was meant to be a Basque link, but I think it has since been discounted.

Indecently I, and my family, are from Galway.
My auld fella and his brothers are all dark looking, you'd be forgiven for thinking they've walked of the set of a Martin Scorsese film; that is until they'd open their mouths and invariably say something about potatoes or the escalating price of Golden Maverick calf feed.

Coriolanus

No surprise. The Celts were balkies anyway.

Logical Fallacy

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

And the Dutch.

It's good to know that even slaves got laid though.

Terry

The white skin comes from Neanderthals. Seriously. Google it.
The red hair comes from them too.

The dark skin comes from the Spanish Armada being washed up in Clare and mingling with the locals.
The Spanish themselves have dark skin because of the invasion by the Moors (Arabs) which lasted a few hundred years. They were blonde before that.

A quick look at wikipedia and their sources will give you an insight into the history of skin tone in Europe.

By the way, Black people are the pure bred humans. We're mongrels.

Kidchameleon

DConway wrote: »

YouTube black Irish of Montserrat. It's a Caribbean island, and a lot of the population are of Irish decent! There's even a cork accent on one of them!

Jesus I never knew about this! Loads of info on Wikipedia

Turpentine

the keen edge wrote: »

There was meant to be a Basque link, but I think it has since been discounted.

Indecently I, and my family, are from Galway.
My auld fella and his brothers are all dark looking, you'd be forgiven for thinking they've walked of the set of a Martin Scorsese film; that is until they'd open their mouths and invariably say something about potatoes or the escalating price of Golden Maverick calf feed.

Chin up, Galway's a nice spot.

fishy fishy

its a west of ireland thing. Lots of west of Ireland folk have the very very dark hair, skin and eyes - Its a good look.

don't be jealous ginge's :D

Gevie Stee

I'm from Dublin and have that look, I like people saying I look spanish/brazilian/portuguese, but I deffo don't want to be associated with the West of Ireland haha

DEFTLEFTHAND

If you were look at me you'd think I from somewhere in the Mediterranean. I've dark brown hair tanned skin all year round and brown eyes. Its unusual really I've no foreign links that I know of and I'm from Tipperary. I was born in Galway though.:pac:

biko

Gevie Stee wrote: »

I'm from Dublin and have that look, I like people saying I look spanish/brazilian/portuguese, but I deffo don't want to be associated with the West of Ireland haha

West of Ireland is Best of Ireland

I've got several dark curly haired friends and we've always assumed there was some Spanish blood in there somewhere.

Beruthiel

I come from the west.
I have a very large family with many extended cousins.
On my mothers side, almost all of us are black hair, brown eyes.

I had my dna traced last year and am part of the Haplogroup H.
H5a1 to be exact. The oldest trace back to that subgroup so far, was found in Jordon 6,800 years ago.

Movement of the Haplogroup H:

Nodin

Beruthiel wrote: »

I come from the west.
I have a very large family with many extended cousins.
On my mothers side, almost all of us are black hair, brown eyes.

I had my dna traced last year and am part of the Haplogroup H.
H5a1 to be exact. The oldest trace back to that subgroup so far, was found in Jordon 6,800 years ago.

Movement of the Haplogroup H:

So youse are the ones that didn't like the heat then.

EdenHazard

dont most people in ireland have dark hair and brown eyes? i tan really easy but my tan is a manky yellowish color, should prob get it looked at

Gevie Stee

EdenHazard wrote: »

dont most people in ireland have dark hair and brown eyes? i tan really easy but my tan is a manky yellowish color, should prob get it looked at

Maybe you're chinese Irish :P

John Doe1

BickNarry wrote: »

Alot of Reggae musicians and singers had Irish names. Susan Cadogan, Marcia Griffiths etc..... and I noticed the similarity with Irish accents, so I went about finding a link. This was pre-Marley and the rastafari take over so the accents were softer and many spoke with little patois (I and I etc.) Well, here's the info.

http://youtu.be/0QHYFXDGf4Y

http://youtu.be/0v5iLqy9Ap8

Those surnames are both very very welsh and marley is english:)

lucylu

Dont forget there are black-irish in the White House too ... the O'Bamas lineage!

John Doe1

The "black irish" are the natives and the fair haired are of english, scottish and viking descent

davet82

who's up for finding a few of these 'black irish' and bashing them?

Mr Benevolent

I'm a bit Spanish looking, dark hair & skin. Being goodlooking is tough, but somebody's got to do it.

Gevie Stee

Confab wrote: »

I'm a bit Spanish looking, dark hair & skin. Being goodlooking is tough, but somebody's got to do it.

Are you tall too?

yourdeadwright

I live in Dublin but my mothers family come from Kerry and im constantly asked what country im from,most recently i was asked was i Greek or do i have Greek parents, When i open my mouth they quickly realise im a DUb,
Does anyone know where you can get your DNA traced id love to do it,

ghostchant

I've relatively sallow skin (relative to a typical Irish person anyway...i.e. not sallow at all in the global sense), black hair and blue eyes rather than brown. My Mam's side of the family have that going on. We've some sort link traced back to Portugal as far as we know, though it's distant and it came up through England into Ireland. Really must look into that side of the family more actually.

saywhatyousee

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

During Roman times redheaded slaves cost 3 times more than any other slave and were on only be allowed kept by high ranking officals.Redheaded slaves were also guaranteed 2 days off a month.

Fizman

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

Wes Brown.

luvnit!

I am of spanish descent or black irish as many say.

It was just something my father told me as a child, he has never gave me any explanation as to how he knows this

I am the only one of my family that inherited my dads "spanish" genes all the rest look like my mums side.

Dark skin, black hair, brown eyes.

I'm really interested to find out more but its quite difficult. I'm not from the west of Ireland and my surname most certainly isnt spanish!!