Carragher, Neville & MNF On Sky

kfallon

Tox56 wrote: »

Do you really think there is anyone that believes great games are exclusive the PL?

Anyone who works for Sky does :rolleyes:

Neville and particularly Tyler have been over eager this season to tell us that games like City v Southampton and Southampton v Utd is what makes the EPL the greatest and most exciting league in the world like it can't happen anywhere else....total and utter bollocks tbh!

Look at La Liga on Sunday night, Rayo Vallecano were having their arses handed to them by Atletico being 4-0 down with ten minutes to go. 8 minutes later it's 4-3 and you can be sure if that had happened in the EPL Sky would have creamed their jocks.

There are as many good and bad games in the EPL as there is in any other top European League!

GLaDOS

Sure if you want last minute drama just watch Shelbourne play anybody

Giggsy11

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone who works for Sky does :rolleyes:

Neville and particularly Tyler have been over eager this season to tell us that games like City v Southampton and Southampton v Utd is what makes the EPL the greatest and most exciting league in the world like it can't happen anywhere else....total and utter bollocks tbh!
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They didn't tell it won't happen in any leagues, they said these exciting games is what makes EPL the best league in the world and that's how they should tell to sell their product.

Whether Premier League is the best or not it for another thread but they work for Sky and marketing EPL is part of their job.

GavRedKing

Its just Sky selling their package. The EPL is the main reason people subscribe to the Sky Sports packages and if people want to believe what Sky spout all the time then thats their choice.

I dont think anyone would suggest no other league provides entertainment but I wouldnt get too offended by Sky saying the EPL provides the greatest entertainment, its subjective.

bucketybuck

kfallon wrote: »

Anyone who works for Sky does :rolleyes:

Neville and particularly Tyler have been over eager this season to tell us that games like City v Southampton and Southampton v Utd is what makes the EPL the greatest and most exciting league in the world like it can't happen anywhere else....total and utter bollocks tbh!

Look at La Liga on Sunday night, Rayo Vallecano were having their arses handed to them by Atletico being 4-0 down with ten minutes to go. 8 minutes later it's 4-3 and you can be sure if that had happened in the EPL Sky would have creamed their jocks.

There are as many good and bad games in the EPL as there is in any other top European League!

Why on earth does this even warrant talking about? Its just SKY advertising their product, the product they pump millions of pounds into, of course they are going to hype it up. Deal with it.

Helix

kfallon wrote: »

There are as many good and bad games in the EPL as there is in any other top European League!

there are more bad games than good games in the premier league tbh

you've usually got 6 or 7 fairly dire games, and a handful of decent ones each round of fixtures. the standard of football has been on a massive decrease the last few years in england

Tox56

Helix wrote: »

there are more bad games than good games in the premier league tbh

you've usually got 6 or 7 fairly dire games, and a handful of decent ones each round of fixtures. the standard of football has been on a massive decrease the last few years in england

It's totally subjective of course, I think if anything the standard has been going up. Man City have started to challenge for titles, at one point last season even Tottenham weren't far off the title race until they totally capitulated.

Added to that you are starting to get teams like Southampton and Swansea who come up from the Championship and are willing to play football to stay up.

And then of course you've got the Champions league stats, there's only been 1 final in the last 8 years that didn't feature an English team, and in 4 of those 8 years there has been at least 2 English teams in the semi-finals.

I don't know if it's the best league in the world or all that, but I don't think the stardard has decreased at all.

MD1990

Helix wrote: »

there are more bad games than good games in the premier league tbh

you've usually got 6 or 7 fairly dire games, and a handful of decent ones each round of fixtures. the standard of football has been on a massive decrease the last few years in england

couldnt disagree more
the EPL has improved massively over the last 5-10 years

missingtime

Just watching Neville again on Monday night football, he really does love the analysis and the preparation he puts in is really setting the bar.

He was up of his seat a number of times as well demonstrating how the goal keepers should be pushing players out of the way.

Don't know if anyone read this article about him and punditry in general

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/27/gary-neville-punditry-sky-bbc?INTCMP=SRCH

Mr.Nice Guy

Yes, I thought his analysis on MNF was excellent.

The Floyd p

Just had a 2 hour special on the weekends games and the season so far. I thought it was excellent and Neville again proves that he is the best pundit Sky have. He makes MoTD look amateur tbh.

Here was his Team of the season so far. Hard to disagree but I thought West Brom could've done with a representative.

Paul Tergat

His dismissive attitude of opta's stat based team of the year was great

missingtime

The Floyd p wrote: »

Just had a 2 hour special on the weekends games and the season so far. I thought it was excellent and Neville again proves that he is the best pundit Sky have. He makes MoTD look amateur tbh.

Posted in the Utd thread about how he went off on one regarding diving! He was on form tonight alright.

tayto lover

The Floyd p wrote: »

Just had a 2 hour special on the weekends games and the season so far. I thought it was excellent and Neville again proves that he is the best pundit Sky have. He makes MoTD look amateur tbh.

Here was his Team of the season so far. Hard to disagree but I thought West Brom could've done with a representative.

Wouldn't have picked Huth or Carrick as I don't rate either.
Will have to think of replacements for them.

Jimmy Iovine

The Floyd p wrote: »

Just had a 2 hour special on the weekends games and the season so far. I thought it was excellent and Neville again proves that he is the best pundit Sky have. He makes MoTD look amateur tbh.

Here was his Team of the season so far. Hard to disagree but I thought West Brom could've done with a representative.

Did he give a reason for leaving out Michu?

Also why did he pick Huth over Shawcross?

Paul Tergat

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Did he give a reason for leaving out Michu?

He said he was coin flipping between Michu and Suarez and had been having the debate all day. He went for Suarez cause overall he's the better player

tricky D

missingtime wrote: »

Posted in the Utd thread about how he went off on one regarding diving! He was on form tonight alright.

Masterclass on Diving - tip top quality analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx5ok60U6A

The Floyd p

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Did he give a reason for leaving out Michu?

Also why did he pick Huth over Shawcross?

Yeah basically he said that Huth and Shawcross have been excellent so he just went for Huth

For Suarez he said that while they've both been instrumental in their teams being in the top half, it then comes down to who's the better player, so he went for Suarez.

The Floyd p

tayto lover wrote: »

Wouldn't have picked Huth or Carrick as I don't rate either.
Will have to think of replacements for them.

Stoke are the best defensively in the league and either Huth or Shawcross should be in the back two

Carrick has been a mainstay in the top of the table team.

batistuta9

tricky D wrote: »

Masterclass on Diving - tip top quality analysis

did they show that again tonight or did he do a new bit on it?

Mars Bar

tricky D wrote: »

Masterclass on Diving - tip top quality analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx5ok60U6A

Is that not a repeat of earlier in the season?

batistuta9

Mars Bar wrote: »

Is that not a repeat of earlier in the season?

yeah, it's from April going by the YT upload date.

that's what i was asking above - did they just show this again or what

frisbeeface

Anybody know if it will be repeated? Just got home now.

missingtime

batistuta9 wrote: »

yeah, it's from April going by the YT upload date.

that's what i was asking above - did they just show this again or what

No its a whole new piece. I think it might be on sky sports 1 again at 10??

batistuta9

frisbeeface wrote: »

Anybody know if it will be repeated? Just got home now.

10pm & 2am - SS1

probably again too

Corholio

I like Neville but he has any annoying habit of describing things in superlative terms. 'Incredible player', 'that run was absolutely amazing' etc. Most of the time 'good' would have described them.

Leiva

He is great for the PL but on CL nights can slip a bit into Mr England and become annoying.

tayto lover

He is the best they have in my opinion, miles better than Andy Gray was anyway.

Mr.Nice Guy

I normally like him but I strongly disapprove of his comments on diving. His views on sportsmanlike conduct were so wrong and were almost a justification of cheating, which is what diving is.

It baffled me a bit because his brother was criticised by his own manager for a dive and credit to Phil he acknowledged he was wrong and had let the club down. Tonight, Gary Neville was saying there have been times when he's lashed out at other players for NOT going down. I was very disappointed.

He was going on about 'this is elite level sport'. It's irrelevant what level it is. The essence of every sport must be 'may the best man/woman win'. I think at one point he even defended the Philip Hindes incident.

This type of 'win at all costs' mentality has ruined cycling over recent times and made a mockery of badminton during the Olympic games when those Chinese athletes were seen trying to intentionally lose.

I'd rather Gary follow the likes of David Moyes and Tony Pulis and condemn the blight of diving/cheating rather than make excuses for it. I lost a lot of respect for his analysis today.

OctavarIan

Hard to disagree with Neville's keeper, midfield and forwards, but not so sure about the defence. He should have gone 3-4-3 if it meant fitting Michu in there.

I mean you look at the entire midfield and forwards and think that they are players who drag their team along; playermakers, leaders, match winners. Without Michu Swansea would be fighting a relegation battle I'm sure, and you could argue the same about Ba at Newcastle.

tayto lover wrote: »

Wouldn't have picked Huth or Carrick as I don't rate either.
Will have to think of replacements for them.

Look as hard as you want, Carrick deserves to be there, and that's coming from a big critic of his.

inmyday

Why do people still question Carrick?
Hes proved it time and time again. He is a top midfielder.


I remember when some people said G. Neville was rubbish! Madness!!!!

Pj!

inmyday wrote: »

I remember when some people said G. Neville was rubbish! Madness!!!!

I remember people (everyone!) asking what the hell was he doing going in Sky Sports. I thought the same. Nobody expected him to be as good as he is (or as unbiased).
Can remember somebody saying they thought he'd be similar to the Utd fan in this fanzone video when it came to Utd games:

inmyday

Pj! wrote: »

I remember people (everyone!) asking what the hell was he doing going in Sky Sports. I thought the same. Nobody expected him to be as good as he is (or as unbiased). .

Well I meant, Neville as a player. Many a footie fan thought he wasnt a brilliant player, including utd fans.
Excellent player. Loved him and beckham on the right side.

But youre right. Not many would believe he would make a decent pundit.

GreeBo

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Tonight, Gary Neville was saying there have been times when he's lashed out at other players for NOT going down. I was very disappointed.

In fairness he was saying that when someone has been fouled but didnt go down...

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

He was going on about 'this is elite level sport'. It's irrelevant what level it is. The essence of every sport must be 'may the best man/woman win'. I think at one point he even defended the Philip Hindes incident.

That put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, but then again, its in the rules (but clearly this was taking advantage of the rules and in breach of the spirit)

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This type of 'win at all costs' mentality has ruined cycling over recent times and made a mockery of badminton during the Olympic games when those Chinese athletes were seen trying to intentionally lose.

I think you see the same in all sports, e.g. trying to come out second of the group stages if it means a better draw in the next round...

Pj!

inmyday wrote: »

Well I meant, Neville as a player. Many a footie fan thought he wasnt a brilliant player, including utd fans.
Excellent player. Loved him and beckham on the right side.

But youre right. Not many would believe he would make a decent pundit.

I know yeah. I was just rambling on...

He was brilliant though (player). Got better as he went on. Pure dedication. As a trainee he stayed back after training when it wasn't the done thing.

Jimmy Iovine

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I normally like him but I strongly disapprove of his comments on diving. His views on sportsmanlike conduct were so wrong and were almost a justification of cheating, which is what diving is.

It baffled me a bit because his brother was criticised by his own manager for a dive and credit to Phil he acknowledged he was wrong and had let the club down. Tonight, Gary Neville was saying there have been times when he's lashed out at other players for NOT going down. I was very disappointed.

He was going on about 'this is elite level sport'. It's irrelevant what level it is. The essence of every sport must be 'may the best man/woman win'. I think at one point he even defended the Philip Hindes incident.

This type of 'win at all costs' mentality has ruined cycling over recent times and made a mockery of badminton during the Olympic games when those Chinese athletes were seen trying to intentionally lose.

I'd rather Gary follow the likes of David Moyes and Tony Pulis and condemn the blight of diving/cheating rather than make excuses for it. I lost a lot of respect for his analysis today.

I missed his piece tonight, but I'd imagine that this is quite close to what I would be thinking after watching. I didn't agree with his views earlier in the season.

He's a fantastic pundit, one of the best around. I don't think he's infallible though.

Jax Teller

Great piece by Neville here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2265064/Gary-Neville-Roman-Abramovich-run-options-replace-Rafa-Benitez.html

Championship Chairman

Dietsquirt

I personally think he is a quality pundit in the studio, as a commentator he still has a bit of learning to do (a bit like Niall Quinn:p). I didn't particularly like Gary as a player (his attitude/demeanour, not his playing ability), always thought he was a bit arrogant. But i think like many others (even Liverpool fans:eek:) we've come around to appreciate his superb knowledge of the game.

neddynono

He is a quality pundit. He seems to see things you would never think of. His analysis of teams is just so good.

Morzadec

Gary Neville has a rant about too many foreign players in Premier League sides.

I generally agree with most that he says, and while he has a point to an extent, I'm not sure if he's right here.

I think it's more of a case of an influx of signings in a short space of time rather than the fact they're foreigners.

They talk about Arsenal - their most successful team of recent years was the least English team they've had. He uses them now as an example of a top side going back to a core of home-grown players, but the fact is that Arsenal have been below the standard they want to be as of late. This Arsenal team is nothing on the French-dominated side of 2002-2005.

Pro. F

I don't agree that the number of non-English players is the problem at Newcastle. But it's great to hear a pundit having an opinion and getting passionate about it.

wadacrack

Neville is a very good pundit. But is a bit anti foreign players i find and he gives British players the benefit of the doubt

missingtime

I think Neville has a point, however I would say that clubs should be promoting from within; nationality shouldn't matter then as they are already imbedded in the club.

In saying that, that's a long game and very few supporters have the patience for the long game.

I think Neville feels that there are a few too many mercenaries coming in for the money with little care how the club does as a whole.

mosstin

Even if you disagree with what he's saying in general, for the "Dinner at 12, supper at 5" line alone, he should have a job for life.

inmyday

missingtime wrote: »

I think Neville feels that there are a few too many mercenaries coming in for the money with little care how the club does as a whole.

Thats a good point.

But is there enough british talent good enough to compete at the highest level in the premier league and the champions league???
I think the answer is no. The EPL is dog eat dog. If you dont have talented players you will struggle.
It doesnt matter what passport a player has, all that matters is results.

inmyday

neddynono wrote: »

He is a quality pundit. He seems to see things you would never think of. His analysis of teams is just so good.

I think the exact same can be said about Richie Sadlier. Both are quality

Nuri Sahin

Monday Night Football Season Preview is on at the moment on Sky Sports 1... yes, it's Thursday.

Repeat is on at 12am SS1

rob316

As a Liverpool fan I always admired Neville. Last of a dying breed of footballers who are proud of there club and city and would give everything for the shirt. Much like Jamie Carragher.

Sky have two guys who are extremely passionate about there sport and you can still see that passion in them.

Ask Neville why X team lost that game he will give you 4/5 points well explained points, ask Shearer/Hansen they will say the same thing all the time 'lacked passion/commitment/desire". Thanks Alan(s) very insightful.

bucketybuck

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Monday Night Football Season Preview is on at the moment on Sky Sports 1... yes, it's Thursday.

Repeat is on at 12am SS1

Switches on link...

"They had parachutes on them running back"

Brilliant!!!

Insect Overlord

rob316 wrote: »

Ask Neville why X team lost that game he will give you 4/5 points well explained points, ask Shearer/Hansen they will say the same thing all the time 'lacked passion/commitment/desire". Thanks Alan(s) very insightful.