Dog Not under control

foxer3640

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

gud4u

foxer3640 wrote: »

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

It's the flaunting of the law that'a the issue here, it makes it harder for the responsible owners who are in control of their dogs.

Should something happen to anybody due to the negligence of one owner the law will fall hard on all RB owners. It's lenient now, but there could come a time when it will be rigidly enforced, and it's people like the person the OP is describing that will work towards such measures.

Respect the law or at least don't push it's boundaries.

Merch

I appreciate the last few responses,
I'm in Dublin myself, perhaps having worked with plenty of people from across the country I've heard the kind of things that can happen with uncontrolled dogs, and the suprising things they can get up to on their own, maybe thats relevant, maybe not.
but I'll hazard a guess that most people (and i'd stand open to be corrected) are in a City somewhere?
either way my concern is not just selfishly for me and my dog, but dog owners generally.

I shall not reply here (this thread) again, I am suprised how this thread progressed, some of you may be happy to hear I shall not post in this forum again.

Cherry Blossom

Merch wrote: »

Its my post/thread, its not because I dont like the replies, its the militant and vitriolic attitude of the replies.

That issue has been addressed in my post, this is a public forum for the purpose of discussion. You are not obliged to continue to post on the thread if you do not wish to.

Merch wrote: »

Are you the Moderator of this forum? are you telling me that the law matters nothing in regard to the restricted breeds list, if thats so, can you pass me on to a higher power so I can inform them you think so.

My post has nothing do with the subject matter, it's the result of your request for moderation of this thread. The thread does not warrant being locked. If you have any further issues I suggest you report the posts without posting accusations and abuse directed at other posters.

Do not reply to this post, if you wish to continue this then do so by PM.

TheBegotten

To be honest, i find that (in general) the bigger the dog is, the calmer it is. At various stages, I've had a german shepard and a mostly sheepdog beagle-sized mutt. The german sheperd was much better behaved on walks and never showed any aggresion. Its the terriers (in general) that are the problem. If they were kept on leads by their over protective owners, then incidents between dogs would be much less common.

Bullseye1

As an owner of a RB I prefer to walk her off lead but I always put her on the lead when another person is approaching or if another person is approaching with their dog on the lead. You just don't know how well the other dog is going to behalve or how the other person is around other dogs besides their own.

It's actually quite common to meet other dog owners who are afraid of other peoples dogs.

Just today I came across a woman who was walking her small terrier type dog on the lead so I put my girl on the lead and as we were walking by each other her dog goes ape and attempts to get at my dog. In my experiance always the small dogs which cause the trouble. They have a Napolean complex.

John_Rambo

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gud4u

OP,

I hope you feel you can post here again as there is some great advice to be had.

Your experience with the dog in question was unfortunate. I too have a JRT that thinks it's a giant, she will get really noisy if I'm walking her with any of the other dogs, sticks her chest out and goes out front, but if she's on her own with me, there's no such behaviour. I never let her off lead as she will not come back either.

As i'm socialising my Rottie pup now, when people want to pet him, I show them how and tell them he's in training, and show them how to pet him. I also explain that, while all dogs can scratch or nip, either one from an RB will result in the person probably saying they were savaged by a rottweiler. That is what we want to avoid.

The man you saw with the two rotts off lead and giving commands etc, was actually more in breach of the law than the previous days owner. She at least had a lead even if it was out of her hand. It's the attitude that made you feel at ease. I have 3 RBs and a JRT, I respect that not everyone likes any or either of my dogs. I only have the rotts off lead in a field I know they're safe in.

Any RB owner should know that a lead and possibly muzzle are your insurance, should anything happen. You could drive without insurance, but to go down the road with no tax, safety belt and bald tyres would be just pushing it a tad too far.

Even on the beach with my pup or old rotti you might think they're sitting beside me off lead and i'm reading, but they're attached to my foot. A neighbour had to fork out €6000 to a girl for a scratch on her arm from their german shepherd, who was 'just playing'.

OldNotWIse

TheBegotten wrote: »

To be honest, i find that (in general) the bigger the dog is, the calmer it is. At various stages, I've had a german shepard and a mostly sheepdog beagle-sized mutt. The german sheperd was much better behaved on walks and never showed any aggresion. Its the terriers (in general) that are the problem. If they were kept on leads by their over protective owners, then incidents between dogs would be much less common.

I agree, bigger dogs tend to be more relaxed, like they have it all under control...and dont need to prove themselves lol I never thought I would have a small dog actually (my last was a lab/setter) but this little terrier just turned up and... the rest is history lol. She's my sidekick I dont think a blanket rule for any breeds is a good idea (whether they are listed or terriers) as there can be good and bad in both (though I hesitate to use the word, "bad" - bad ownership and training more like)

Mine is friendly and loves meeting other small dogs for a good chase and I am trying to socialise her as best I can but she IS a "passive aggressive", which is something I am trying to overcome with her. She will dominate if she thinks she can, but can also be easily dominated I dont think keeping her on a lead for the rest of her life will solve any problems, but allowing her off and then re-leashing her when she acts out seems to be helping somewhat... Other dog owners tend to be very understanding of these issues.

OldNotWIse

Just reading post from gud4u and when you mention about showing people how to pet the dog properly, one issue I notice (not with my dog) is that a lot of people dont know how to approach dogs. I've seen people (especially in the city) approaching friend's dogs and they come bearing down on them, hand straigh to the dogs face and bellowing about how cute he/she is - hello! To a dog, this is like an attack!

ISDW

OP, if you come back, could you please ask my question, as to how you would feel if you were lying in the grass and were approached by an off lead Great Dane, with no owner in sight, as opposed to a rottweiler. GD's are bigger, and just as powerful as Rotties, but aren't on the RB list, so they can wander around off lead. However, the law actually says that all dogs should be under effective control, so in that scenario, are they under control? But I would just like to know how you feel about large, powerful breeds not on the RB list.

Yes, the owner of the Rottie was breaking the law, but actually, you have said that your dog jumps up at people, so in that instance, as your dog is not under effective control, so are you. The rottie didn't attack you or your dog, or act in an aggressive manner, and your dog doesn't either, it is jumping up to be friendly. However, to someone who is scared of dogs, that can be just as worrying and stressful as your encounter.

There is no basis of fact for the RB list, so in a year's time, your dog could be put on it, not because your dog has done anything, but because it is a breed or crossbreed that someone, somewhere has deemed to be a danger to the public:rolleyes:

For everyone who says the law has to be obeyed, can you honestly say you have never broken the speed limit whilst driving? Why is that acceptable?

Karlitto

foxer3640 wrote: »

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

Not that we have forgotten it, just don't agree. It should be one law for all, no "breed" of dog is more aggresive than another.

Look at it this way, the law also states that everyone who owns a home must pay property tax, or rather "household charge", but about 80% of the country arent'

ISDW

The op won't post on here again, but pmed me instead, something that I didn't ask for. He/she didn't like my reply, so now won't engage in a discussion by pm either.

I obviously won't put their pms up on here, but I will put the one that I sent back to them, as its mine, and I have no issues with my views on this being in public.

So you would have no issue with prising the jaws of a Great Dane open, or a Bernese Mountain Dog. How about a Belgian Shepherd? They are now the police dog of choice for most European countries, not the GSD, but they are not on the RB list. Can you not see that the list makes absolutely no sense whatsoever? Huskies actually have more pressure per pound in their jaws that Staffs, because of where they came from, and the diet, i.e. frozen fish etc. How come they're not on the list? Did you know that when the list was drawn up, they wanted to put chihuahuas on it, because the name sounded exotic and dangerous? Thats how much the people that came up with the list know about dogs.

Shame you won't post on the thread again, you started a discussion in a public forum, if you truly believe what you're saying, you should have the guts to back it up in public instead of running away to pms.

I will add another bit, that I didn't put in my original pm, but I'm not allowed to pm her or him anymore, so will have to post this bit here ....

I can't see how you think its acceptable for road users to break laws, depending on how dangerous they think they are being, but yet won't allow people to make the same judgement on the RB law.

Dyr

Merch wrote: »

Mine is still quite young, can be exciteable and friendly and still doesnt seem to understand that while some dogs are friendly and playful, some dogs aren't and dont want to be played with (Its something I am concious of that other people dont know this and to prevent them from misunderstanding my dogs friendliness as attack I keep her under control).
I dont want people to misinterpret her playful friendliness (especially anyone with children or a buggy) as she does jump up even though she is a small to medium sized dog (about 10-11kg).

So it's your dog that wasn't under control? Someone should call the warden on you/think of the chldren etc

Zulu

Well I think we can all safely agree that this thread has run it's course:
OP has been set on the right track vis-a-vis their position on perception & prejudice.

are you serious

Hey OP(there's no way your not reading these messages out of interest) two Rotties in one park off lead... Was this in Lucan by any chance?

I am in Lucan myself and know a guy who does this. . . (not me and my rotts, they'd have charged over and licked the face off ya!)

Ken.

Bullseye1 wrote: »

As an owner of a RB I prefer to walk her off lead but I always put her on the lead when another person is approaching or if another person is approaching with their dog on the lead. You just don't know how well the other dog is going to behalve or how the other person is around other dogs besides their own.

It's actually quite common to meet other dog owners who are afraid of other peoples dogs.

Just today I came across a woman who was walking her small terrier type dog on the lead so I put my girl on the lead and as we were walking by each other her dog goes ape and attempts to get at my dog. In my experiance always the small dogs which cause the trouble. They have a Napolean complex.

I'm racking my brain but the heat must be effecting my head. What breed is an r/b?

are you serious

ken wrote: »

I'm racking my brain but the heat must be effecting my head. What breed is an r/b?

The RB list is a the list of restricted breeds of dogs... could be and one of 11 dogs... or a mix or cross of one of these dogs...

star-pants

Closing this thread because we're just getting a series of reported posts instead of responses on thread.