If you think about it, we know nothing about the universe

RiseToTheTop · 28-03-2012 10:57pm #1

What we see is only what our brain allows us to see. Our intelligence is limited, yet that is the yardstick to understanding everything.

We will never know how the universe works, or how the human brain works for that matter. We are a brain studying a brain, logic is flawed.

stupidusername · 28-03-2012 11:00pm

maybe your intelligence is limited, but I know every thing :cool:

Taco Chips · 28-03-2012 11:00pm

Spot the philosophy student.

IamtheWalrus · 28-03-2012 11:01pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

What we see is only what our brain allows us to see. Our intelligence is limited, yet that is the yardstick to understanding everything.

We will never know how the universe works, or how the human brain works for that matter. We are a brain studying a brain, logic is flawed.

SNIPPED: offensive to the elderly.

AnonoBoy · 28-03-2012 11:01pm

I know how they get the figs into the figrolls.

After that, it's all gravy.

Superbus · 28-03-2012 11:02pm

Look at your fingers moving. REALLY look.

Duuuuude. Fcukin mind control.

theTinker · 28-03-2012 11:03pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

We are a brain studying a brain, logic is flawed.

I disagree. A system capable of self learning can easily be capable of learning all the workings of itself. Theres no rule or law that means the brain cannot understand itself in its entirety

Mr. Rager · 28-03-2012 11:03pm

Fúck it, let's just have a good time while we're here, no point dwelling on that stuff.

starlit · 28-03-2012 11:04pm

Ya I think about the universe....

Gummy Panda · 28-03-2012 11:05pm

Once we find Element Zero, it's all gravy!

ha ha hello · 28-03-2012 11:13pm

Philosophy has been around along time OP; do you really think you are the first to think that thought?

Kensington · 28-03-2012 11:15pm

I don't know anything about a tracker mortgage no matter how much I think about it

amacachi · 28-03-2012 11:15pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

We will never know how the universe works

Not with that fuckin attitude we won't.

RichieC · 28-03-2012 11:17pm

The fundamental question is, I believe, something we can never answer.

What in shi*ting crikey is the universe?

Latchy · 28-03-2012 11:28pm

Try tripping on some lsd ...man ...like far out :cool:

Chuck Stone · 28-03-2012 11:31pm

Aren't you mixing up two fields of study?

1. Humans trying to understand humans
2. Humans trying to understand the Universe

I'd agree that humans trying to figure out what makes humans tick is hugely problematic and can even be dangerous.

Humans endeavouring to understand the universe is a work in progress though.

Latchy · 28-03-2012 11:38pm

The whole mystery of the universe (up to a point )is byond our understanding and in the wider scheme of things ,we on this earth are as much part of the mystery as anything else we can comprehend .

Capt'n Midnight · 28-03-2012 11:58pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

What we see is only what our brain allows us to see. Our intelligence is limited, yet that is the yardstick to understanding everything.

We will never know how the universe works, or how the human brain works for that matter. We are a brain studying a brain, logic is flawed.

Such bullcrap

you are totally ignoring most of the Nobel prize wining discoveries in physics and cosmology and a good few of the ones in medicine

You have a mid nineteenth view of science.

"We are a brain studying a brain, logic is flawed."

word games in six hundred year old language can't be compared to the thought experiments that allowed us to design machines to test those theories,
Look at the LHC / Higgs Boson etc.

As for the brain , we have the technology to build a simulation of one once we understand how it works. An alternative view is we have the tools to test if we have built it , it's a matter of time. I won't hold my breath on that since we are always 20 years from AI just like we've always been.

But we have the technology to make an analog of the brain.

take everything · 29-03-2012 12:22am

theTinker wrote: »

I disagree. A system capable of self learning can easily be capable of learning all the workings of itself. Theres no rule or law that means the brain cannot understand itself in its entirety

If a system knows exactly how itself works, it should be able to predict its own thinking/behaviour. But does that mean it predicts the prediction. And then predicts the prediction of the prediction etc.
Is there an infinite recursion happening there.