Fiscal Treaty Referendum.....How will you vote?

oscarBravo

Wild Bill wrote: »

...the Bankers' Treaty.

What makes it a bankers' treaty?

gerryo777

Wild Bill wrote: »

I don't know. And I think the YES side will easily win (it's in the polls).

Which doesn't mean the 'yes' supporters are right - just that most folk are easily threatened, scared and misled.

Probably our elderly population swinging it for the yes, you know the way enda & co frighten old people into doing what they want, e.g. household tax.
Suppose big man phil, the thug will be back on the airwaves once Thursday is out of the way.

oscarBravo

gerryo777 wrote: »

...you know the way enda & co frighten old people into doing what they want...

...because frightening people is something the 'no' side wouldn't stoop to.

Referendums in this country destroy the last shreds of my respect for humanity.

meglome

gerryo777 wrote: »

Probably our elderly population swinging it for the yes, you know the way enda & co frighten old people into doing what they want, e.g. household tax.
Suppose big man phil, the thug will be back on the airwaves once Thursday is out of the way.

Perhaps you should look at my post here... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78909677&postcount=1

The Waltzing Consumer

gerryo777 wrote: »

Probably our elderly population swinging it for the yes, you know the way enda & co frighten old people into doing what they want, e.g. household tax.
Suppose big man phil, the thug will be back on the airwaves once Thursday is out of the way.

It's always funny when SF supporters call FG politicians thugs who frighten old people and such :pac:

But work away, sure you can always talk about

1) Expenses (just don't mention ink cartridges)
2) Shady developers ( just don't mention priory hall)
3) Party funding (Just don't mention the USA)
4) Taxes and cuts (Just don't mention Northern Ireland)
5) Thugs (Well that's a pandora's box we don't want to open )

I don't mind Joe Higgins cause at least he has a bit of substance behind his stances, but SF :pac: even worse then the main parties because they do the exact same things, even worse with a lot of stuff, but have the audacity to pretend they would never do anything wrong and are for the lower classes.

Just a Plinker

Have to add my spoke my vote will be no. I don't pretend to understand politics but based on what I feel, hear, and can understand I'll go with no. I do not like the threats made my our elected government and feel like we are being threatend into a yes vote, I could ramble on about water charges and house hold charges but I will leave that be, A seperate subject for sure.


Rgds

The Waltzing Consumer

Just a Plinker wrote: »

Have to add my spoke my vote will be no. I don't pretend to understand politics but based on what I feel, hear, and can understand I'll go with no. I do not like the threats made my our elected government and feel like we are being threatend into a yes vote, I could ramble on about water charges and house hold charges but I will leave that be, A seperate subject for sure.


Rgds

What threats?

Einhard

Just a Plinker wrote: »

Have to add my spoke my vote will be no. I don't pretend to understand politics but based on what I feel, hear, and can understand I'll go with no. I do not like the threats made my our elected government and feel like we are being threatend into a yes vote, I could ramble on about water charges and house hold charges but I will leave that be, A seperate subject for sure.


Rgds

Can you explain these threats? I haven't seen them. I have seen plenty on the No side though.

Just out of curiousity though...which side has the poster of a desert landscape with a vulture hovering overhead?

gerryo777

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It's always funny when SF supporters call FG politicians thugs who frighten old people and such :pac:

But work away, sure you can always talk about

1) Expenses (just don't mention ink cartridges)
2) Shady developers ( just don't mention priory hall)
3) Party funding (Just don't mention the USA)
4) Taxes and cuts (Just don't mention Northern Ireland)
5) Thugs (Well that's a pandora's box we don't want to open )

I don't mind Joe Higgins cause at least he has a bit of substance behind his stances, but SF :pac: even worse then the main parties because they do the exact same things, even worse with a lot of stuff, but have the audacity to pretend they would never do anything wrong and are for the lower classes.

As I've stated on here several times, I do not/did not vote Sinn Fein.
BTW your little list there, is that FF's top 5.
Clown.

The Waltzing Consumer

gerryo777 wrote: »

As I've stated on here several times, I do not/did not vote Sinn Fein.
BTW your little list there, is that FF's top 5.
Clown.

It could be indeed.

meglome

Just a Plinker wrote: »

Have to add my spoke my vote will be no. I don't pretend to understand politics but based on what I feel, hear, and can understand I'll go with no. I do not like the threats made my our elected government and feel like we are being threatend into a yes vote, I could ramble on about water charges and house hold charges but I will leave that be, A seperate subject for sure.


Rgds

I draw your attention to here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78909677&postcount=1

FreudianSlippers

golfball37 wrote: »

We are not voting on the ESM treaty?

We are voting on the Fiscal Stability treaty.

We are voting on a constitutional amendment which would allow the government to ratify the treaty... or not.

Just a Plinker

Hi waltzing It is only my personal feeling towards what I have being listening to on the Radio, WLR , RADIO 1, etc I listen alot as I am a Painter and have the Radio on most days , The threats I am on about are the ones made by our elected politicians on air ( Well I viewed them as threats) when I was listening, Basically If we vote no it will be worse for us in the next budget etc, My post is my honest opinion . I can't remember everything I heard but what I have heard has made up my mind, I'm sorry if this has caused you offence but that is my view, My opinion on how I feel about Water charges , Household tax is irrelevant in this matter , I do know this is a seperate issue which I feel is very important, my vote is based on what has been said about this on National radio and Tv.
I am not allied to any political party and never will be as in my HONEST opinion they are all the same.

Rgds

Thank you for your reply

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

What threats?

Just a Plinker

Einhard wrote: »

Can you explain these threats? I haven't seen them. I have seen plenty on the No side though.

Just out of curiousity though...which side has the poster of a desert landscape with a vulture hovering overhead?

What poster what vulture ????????????


If you are a smoker stop buying the cheap ones :D:)


Rgds

oscarBravo

Just a Plinker wrote: »

The threats I am on about are the ones made by our elected politicians on air ( Well I viewed them as threats) when I was listening, Basically If we vote no it will be worse for us in the next budget etc...

Let's just imagine, hypothetically, that one of the effects of a 'no' vote was, indeed, that the next budget would have to be more severe.

Under those circumstances, do you think the minister for finance should lie about that fact in order to avoid being seen to threaten you?

There may be negative consequences to failing to ratify the treaty. How can those possible consequences be articulated without it being interpreted as a threat?

The Waltzing Consumer

Just a Plinker wrote: »

Hi waltzing It is only my personal feeling towards what I have being listening to on the Radio, WLR , RADIO 1, etc I listen alot as I am a Painter and have the Radio on most days , The threats I am on about are the ones made by our elected politicians on air ( Well I viewed them as threats) when I was listening, Basically If we vote no it will be worse for us in the next budget etc, My post is my honest opinion . I can't remember everything I heard but what I have heard has made up my mind, I'm sorry if this has caused you offence but that is my view, My opinion on how I feel about Water charges , Household tax is irrelevant in this matter , I do know this is a seperate issue which I feel is very important, my vote is based on what has been said about this on National radio and Tv.
I am not allied to any political party and never will be as in my HONEST opinion they are all the same.

Rgds

Thank you for your reply

Well that is fair enough and fair play for answering. I, being a yes voter, would disagree with you, but c'est la vie. I don't think it is was the best thing to say, but as much as puts his foot in it, the man did have a point.

If you have a steady amount of money coming into your home, you can plan and budget. If you do not know where you will get money and will be charged higher interest rates for borrowing elsewhere, it is likely you will try save as much as possible before that happens. It is harsh, unfair, and certainly not pleasant, but it is something all people have to do when they are in those situations.

Just a Plinker

meglome thank you for your reply, someone who has the time to walk about our great Nation taking pics of posters has to much free time on their hands, I just voiced my opinion based on what I have heard from politicians on air not what any body puts on a poster , Posters are a waste of tax payers money and I don't READ THEM . The money would be better spent on sick children, or how many hours overtime for a Guard to be on duty, Or a nurse. This countyr needs to get a grip of itself. I am sorry but now I'm getting irrate


So I will log off,

I JUST POSTED ON HOW I WILL VOTE.

meglome wrote: »

I draw your attention to here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78909677&postcount=1

gsxr1

A couple of questions.

What way could a Yes/No vote effect my tracker?

What way could a Yes/No vote effect Irish Rail and contractors for the railway.


It probably wont effect either, but im asking just to makes sure.


Undecided voter .

oscarBravo

gsxr1 wrote: »

What way could a Yes/No vote effect my tracker?

What way could a Yes/No vote effect Irish Rail and contractors for the railway.

Probably not at all either way in both cases.

Just a Plinker

Right this is my last post on this . I am only a self employed Painter If I was a political expert on this I would be on RTE I would hope to be on the same salary as say well any of them. You are bang on my friend I stand corrected A minister for Finace has never ever lied in this country before

just as well u pointed that out




QUOTE=oscarBravo;78914395]Let's just imagine, hypothetically, that one of the effects of a 'no' vote was, indeed, that the next budget would have to be more severe.

Under those circumstances, do you think the minister for finance should lie about that fact in order to avoid being seen to threaten you?

There may be negative consequences to failing to ratify the treaty. How can those possible consequences be articulated without it being interpreted as a threat?[/QUOTE]

meglome

Just a Plinker wrote: »

meglome thank you for your reply, someone who has the time to walk about our great Nation taking pics of posters has to much free time on their hands, I just voiced my opinion based on what I have heard from politicians on air not what any body puts on a poster , Posters are a waste of tax payers money and I don't READ THEM . The money would be better spent on sick children, or how many hours overtime for a Guard to be on duty, Or a nurse. This countyr needs to get a grip of itself. I am sorry but now I'm getting irrate


So I will log off,

I JUST POSTED ON HOW I WILL VOTE.

Oh yeah so much time. Or as I call it walking to the hospital to visit my mother after her heart attack.

Just a Plinker

meglome I am sorry about your Mother I Hope with all my heart she will be okay. ( No matter what is said in this thread) I Lived with my Grandparents for most of my life . In November 2010 I lost my grandmother to breast cancer she never told anyone , She lasted two weeks after I made the call to caredoc to take her to Hospital on a Saturday night.

But with saying that for the two weeks she was alive I visited every day and did not stop

meglome wrote: »

Oh yeah so much time. Or as I call it walking to the hospital to visit my mother after her heart attack.

beeftotheheels

Just a Plinker wrote: »

But with saying that for the two weeks she was alive I visited every day and did not stop to take pictures on the bloody way

Note to self, human beings have no right to try to distract themselves from their more immediate pressing problems.

swampgas

Just a Plinker wrote: »

Hi waltzing It is only my personal feeling towards what I have being listening to on the Radio, WLR , RADIO 1, etc I listen alot as I am a Painter and have the Radio on most days , The threats I am on about are the ones made by our elected politicians on air [...]

Actually, Plinker, I think there is something interesting in your observation: basically, politicians are often terrified of saying anything negative.

When you did hear somebody come out with a possible negative outcome - which is all he did - it was so out of character for a politician that it sounded like a threat!

Perhaps it just goes to show how much politicians try to avoid being the bearers of bad news.

oscarBravo

Just a Plinker wrote: »

You are bang on my friend I stand corrected A minister for Finace has never ever lied in this country before

just as well u pointed that out

I didn't say no minister for finance has ever lied; I asked whether you would prefer to be lied to than to be told something you didn't want to hear.

Wild Bill

Godge wrote: »

It is not necessarily true that we will need a bailout but there are such things as self-fulfilling prophecies.

So....it'll be my fault then

humanji wrote: »

Because the no camp has been a bastion of honesty and respect for the voters?

Come on! I never said that; some of the nays are as duplicitous and evasive as the yeas. I have constantly pointed out that austerity is coming, yes or no.

oscarBravo wrote: »

Referendums in this country destroy the last shreds of my respect for humanity.

Wow! I'm not sure if that can be treated. :cool:

Wild Bill

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It's always funny when SF supporters call FG politicians thugs who frighten old people and such :pac:

But work away, sure you can always talk about

1) Expenses (just don't mention ink cartridges)
2) Shady developers ( just don't mention priory hall)
3) Party funding (Just don't mention the USA)
4) Taxes and cuts (Just don't mention Northern Ireland)
5) Thugs (Well that's a pandora's box we don't want to open )

1) Use of free (taxpayer) ink for the purpose of raising political consciousness. Admirable. What would FG do? - Give it to the German bankers :rolleyes:

2) Mick Lowery anyone?

3) "Party funding (Just don't mention the USA)". Why not? That's where a lot of it comes from!

4) Norniron isn't a sovereign state with revenue raising powers; false "analogy"

5) Thugs (Well that's a pandora's box we don't want to open )
You talkin' about the Blueshirts? The Heavy Gang? The Civil War massacres? Let's open the box!

RandomName2

Wild Bill wrote: »

1) Use of free (taxpayer) ink for the purpose of raising political consciousness. Admirable. What would FG do? - Give it to the German bankers :rolleyes:

2) Mick Lowery anyone?

3) "Party funding (Just don't mention the USA)". Why not? That's where a lot of it comes from!

4) Norniron isn't a sovereign state with revenue raising powers; false "analogy"

5) Thugs (Well that's a pandora's box we don't want to open )
You talkin' about the Blueshirts? The Heavy Gang? The Civil War massacres? Let's open the box!

At least no current FG politician killed anyone or ordered such...

and Northern Ireland has devolution; it just so happens that it runs at such a deficit that it would collapse without a subsidy from the rest of the UK.


Edit: On topic SF is mainly using this campaign almost exclusively as a means to boost their domestic ambitions (we'll get rid of austerity, just give us the Dail!!!11!, etc.).

Ozymandius2011

It is not true that a yes vote would guarantee access to the ESM. As explained just now by Paul Murphy MEP, any member state in the ESM can veto ESM funds for another member state.

meglome

Just a Plinker wrote: »

meglome thank you for your reply, someone who has the time to walk about our great Nation taking pics of posters has to much free time on their hands,

What is it with no campaigners and always bringing it down to personal attacks? I have been called a heap of names over the last few weeks and there's been plenty of innuendo about my character generally. The only possible reason that I would take the time out to disagree with the no campaign is because I'm paid by the government, didn't you know? No other possible reason at all, and certainly nothing to do with the no campaign being rather full of it.

Just a Plinker wrote: »

But with saying that for the two weeks she was alive I visited every day and did not stop

Good for you. Neither have I or the several other family members who visit each day, multiple times a day. Of course we want to give the hospital staff an opportunity to do their jobs so we don't all sit there all day. What could be better on a sunny day than strolling around taking some pictures and showing the no campaign up for what it is.