The Census results Are Out (quite interesting) Merge. All census talk in here.

Helix

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

You could say the same for science. With the big bang "everything just popped into existence". Isn't it something that our planet is the only planet that is capable of life?

BTW i'm not talking about mere bacteria, i'm talking about what is coloquially refererred to as life.

how do you know that?

RiseToTheTop

Helix wrote: »

how do you know that?

Well going by what is known ATM. There are many many planets in our galaxy yet no life has been found.

NASA can view planets on their telescopes.

AlmightyCushion

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

Well going by what is known ATM. There are many many planets in our galaxy yet no life has been found.

NASA can view planets on their telescopes.

Not in anyway close enough to determine if life is there, even life as technologically advanced as us.

Helix

Peanut wrote: »

Worth revisiting the dreadful wording of the "Can you speak?" question on the last census:

English_Household_form_with_do_not_complete_stamp__2011.pdf

That's it, no question of fluency whatsoever, and frequency of speaking doesn't necessarily answer this either.

The sad thing is that, if as I would suspect, the overall fluency levels are quite low between all people who answered "Yes" to the first question, it might force a rethink on policy and in the long-term, be beneficial to people's interest in the language.

perhaps it wouldve made more sense to have that question written as gaeilge

Helix

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

Well going by what is known ATM. There are many many planets in our galaxy yet no life has been found.

NASA can view planets on their telescopes.

we can clearly see the surface of 2 planets in our solar system with enough clarity to know if there's life. there is life on 50% of those 2 planets

there are 8 planets in our solar system

there are billions of solar systems in our galaxy

there are billions of galaxies in our universe

RiseToTheTop

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Not in anyway close enough to determine if life is there, even life as technologically advanced as us.

Though you'd have to think if there is another human planet, that they would have contacted us.

Imagine in a thousand years time what technology there will be. A thousand years is nothing in all of time.

Helix

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

Though you'd have to think if there is another human planet, that they would have contacted us.

Imagine in a thousand years time what technology there will be. A thousand years is nothing in all of time.

you clearly dont have a clue what youre talking about

another human planet? as in another planet full of humans? really?

RiseToTheTop

Helix wrote: »

you clearly dont have a clue what youre talking about

another human planet? as in another planet full of humans? really?

If you think not, what do you base your opinion on? What evidence is there?

AlmightyCushion

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

Though you'd have to think if there is another human planet, that they would have contacted us.

Imagine in a thousand years time what technology there will be. A thousand years is nothing in all of time.

If there was a planet with a species as technologically advanced as us they wouldn't have a clue we're here and even if they did they wouldn't be able to contact us. If they were in the same solar system, maybe but outside of that not a chance.

Helix

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

If you think not, what do you base your opinion on? What evidence is there?

bloody hell

how could there be humans, a species that evolved on earth in the last 250,000 years, on another planet light years away?

think before you type, you're embarrassing yourself ffs

Mal-Adjusted

[geek]It happened on Battlestar...although the general consensus there was that God did it [geek/]

Peanut

Helix wrote: »

bloody hell

how could there be humans, a species that evolved on earth in the last 250,000 years, on another planet light years away?

think before you type, you're embarrassing yourself ffs

Drake equation estimates

tldr; -

Number of alien cilizations =

Optimistic: billions
Pessimistic: none

Compromise: 3,500*

*this would put the nearest civilization about 100 light years away and make it very unlikely that we will ever hear from them

Worth noting though that the number of planets and candidate Earth-like planets detected has risen significantly in the past number of years, and seems likely to continue to do so.

Also, given that physical laws appear to be the same throughout the universe, evolution may lead to surprisingly similar life forms between different planets.

An example of this on Earth is the independent evolution of the eye across different species - the same structure seems to have rapidly arisen in different animals without genetic information being passed purely due to the huge survival advantage it gave. It seems reasonable to expect the same to happen on other Earth-like planets which contain life.

Helix

Peanut wrote: »

An example of this on Earth is the independent evolution of the eye across different species - the same structure seems to have rapidly arisen in different animals without genetic information being passed purely due to the huge survival advantage it gave. It seems reasonable to expect the same to happen on other Earth-like planets which contain life.

it all depends on the atmosphere on the planet, radiation levels from the sun, gravity, length of night and day, length of seasons, length of year and countless other variables

it's certainly possible that humanoid creatures have evolved elsewhere, but one would assume it'd have to be on a planet VERY similar to the earth in literally every aspect - and even then that's assuming that we're as good a design as we like to think we are (which we're not, we're actually quite crappy)

the guy i was quoting specifically said HUMANS on another planet

marty1985

Mods can we get the thread title changed to reflect the current discussion?

Peanut

Helix wrote: »

it all depends on the atmosphere on the planet, radiation levels from the sun, gravity, length of night and day, length of seasons, length of year and countless other variables

Sure, but small changes in some of these conditions appear to make it impossible for any kind of advanced life to exist. How far can you get with a much different ratio of oxygen availability? I don't know, but I suspect that the range is limited, given the lack of larger life-forms in oxygen deprived environments on Earth.

Helix wrote: »

.. and even then that's assuming that we're as good a design as we like to think we are (which we're not, we're actually quite crappy)

Maybe not, but good enough to be the dominant species on the only life-bearing planet which we currently know about, which should count for something.

I wouldn't be so surprised if some other civilizations were quite human like.

Mickeroo

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

You could say the same for science. With the big bang "everything just popped into existence". Isn't it something that our planet is the only planet that is capable of life?

BTW i'm not talking about mere bacteria, i'm talking about what is coloquially refererred to as life.

Bacteria is coloquially referred to as life.

Also you should contact NASA and let them know how you found out earth is definitely the only planet capable of supporting life, it would help clear up any doubts they have about the 2,500+ potentially earth like planets they've found in the last few of years.

Whats astronomy got to do with the census anyway?

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Helix wrote: »

bloody hell

how could there be humans, a species that evolved on earth in the last 250,000 years, on another planet light years away?

think before you type, you're embarrassing yourself ffs

I agree there couldn't be humans on another planet but there could be something very like humans. You might be familiar with this already, but we've actually found very good examples of convergent evolution on earth. Take a look at the Tenrecidae, from looking at the pictures you'd never think they evolved completely independently of hedgehogs et al!

The King of Moo

The reason there's such a high number of Rigellians identifying themselves as F'nraarians is because they've been initiated into the F'nraarian Fellowship, but they don't attend any of the quorums, or participate in the sacred rites. Also, they're putting their kids down as F'nraarian, even if they haven't left the hatchery.

They're just a la carte F'nraarians: they might go the Temple of F'nraaros at K'ntarios and Plintos, but not every P'natliak.

keith16

token101 wrote: »

Tomorrows Daily Mail headline: Fundamentalist Catholic Poles flood Ireland in search of tasty swans

Hey token....that's racist.

Swans are no more tasty than any other bird. :pac:

fryup

marozz wrote: »

In principle you did answer the question on the census correctly. As far as I know , leaving the Catholic church is no longer an option. They managed to put a stop to that.

to hell with that:rolleyes: surely thats against human rights??

are you not free to choose any religon you want or none at all??

Helix

Peanut wrote: »

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Maybe not, but good enough to be the dominant species on the only life-bearing planet which we currently know about, which should count for something.

humans arent the dominant species on earth, or even close to it

amacachi

Helix wrote: »

humans arent the dominant species on earth, or even close to it

Ah now. Have any others had the kind of geographic distribution that we have? Have any others had the capability to wipe out other species that we have? How many others have done anything visible from space?

im invisible

amacachi wrote: »

Ah now. Have any others had the kind of geographic distribution that we have? Have any others had the capability to wipe out other species that we have? How many others have done anything visible from space?

Great_Barrier_Reef.jpg

amacachi

im invisible wrote: »

Great_Barrier_Reef.jpg

Isn't that a load of species needing to work together? Pathetic :pac: