The New Multicultural Ireland - The Benefits?

CajunOnTour

bwatson wrote: »

as someone from the North who detests the IRA with every fibre of my being

Amazing how many folk with views like that also detest Muslims with every fibre of their being as well. :rolleyes:

Spot the connection!

bwatson

CajunOnTour wrote: »

Amazing how many folk with views like that also detest Muslims with every fibre of their being as well. :rolleyes:

Spot the connection!

I don't understand what you are trying to say with this?

Moreover, I don't think that you actually know what point you are trying to make here. Is it that those who disliked the IRA's campaign of terror are more likely not to sympathize with and understand Islamic terrorism?

Or are you strangely trying to infer that a person with hatred of a particular militant organisation is likely to hate an entire religious group in a community?

CajunOnTour

Jorah wrote: »

Why do you consider it a good thing that there aren't as many Muslims migrating to Ireland?

I don't consider it especially either good or bad; I've no issues with them being part of the immigrant mix.

As for you wriggling on the racist charge; 99% of Muslims coming here are non-white.

I very much doubt I need draw those dots for those opposed to Muslim immigration. :rolleyes:

CajunOnTour

bwatson wrote: »

I don't understand what you are trying to say with this?

Moreover, I don't think that you actually know what point you are trying to make here.

I'm making a number of points. English not yer mother tongue? :cool:

Is it that those who disliked the IRA's campaign of terror are more likely not to sympathize with and understand Islamic terrorism?

Absolutely not :cool:

Or are you strangely trying to infer that a person with hatred of a particular militant organisation is likely to hate an entire religious group in a community?

Guess again. :cool:

bwatson

CajunOnTour wrote: »

I'm making a number of points. English not yer mother tongue? :cool:




Absolutely not :cool:



Guess again. :cool:

Indeed. It has become a guessing game with your posts. For that reason I don't think its worthwhile to converse with you any longer. In future, either make a coherant and defined point or don't reply to me. Cheers bud.

ToddyDoody

Thanks to the new multicultural ireland the st patrick's day parade had a nigerian and thai group march, which i found very colourful and lively.. Made it worth coming out that bit more. Also, i like to walk along china town in Dublin.. You get a small foreign holiday experience when currently too poor / 'socially compromised' to arrange a visit to a foreign place. Then there's the availability of foreign foods, and those attractive 'foreigners' you can ogle.. + you find that because 'foreigners' have less status (but lots of life experience) they are more accessible to the 'little people' like me. Also, many of the asian and african's have great fashion sense and a sense of coolness (in the case of the latter moreso) and the polish seem to be excellent workers. The odd european (spanish, french, german, italian) give a sense of their unique cultures (without having to go anywhere but to the cafe etc where they work).. Tired after writing all that (probably not all quite p.c.)

Jorah

CajunOnTour wrote: »

Exactly the same generalisation could be made of the Jews. How would you react to that? Should we exclude them because of that?

British Jews are sternly patriotic and proud of both Israel and Britain.

Historically, they have been slaughtered in England and around the world by the English army. Yet it seems some groups can progress to the future much better than others.


I expect Jewish people in Ireland will do what they seem to do in every country which is work hard, become valuable members of society and contribute disproportionately to their numbers.

CajunOnTour

bwatson wrote: »

Indeed. It has become a guessing game with your posts. For that reason I don't think its worthwhile to converse with you any longer. In future, either make a coherant and defined point or don't reply to me. Cheers bud.

Believe me, you are no buddy of mine. I detest Islamophobes (and their apologists) as much as you detest the IRA.

The connection you can't spot is that an extreme sympathy for Anglo-American Imperialism, mass murder and terror links many people who share your two dislikes. :cool:

Jorah

CajunOnTour wrote: »

As for you wriggling on the racist charge; 99% of Muslims coming here are non-white.

I'm wriggling on the racist charge in the same way I'd be wriggling on the charge of assassinating John F Kennedy. i.e I'm not wriggling.

I advise you watch the BBC Three documentary "My Brother the Islamist". There are plenty of bat**** insane White Muslims. I do not distinguish between extremists.


It is interesting however how the pro-Multiculturalists are so eager to accuse people of racism. It's almost the trump card for when they have nothing of substance to offer so desperately cry prejudice.

CajunOnTour

Jorah wrote: »

British Jews are sternly patriotic and proud of both Israel and Britain.

Whatever.

I said that the same "generalisation" could be made about the Jews as the racists here are making about Muslims.

markus pride

Jorah wrote: »

British Jews are sternly patriotic and proud of both Israel and Britain.

Historically, they have been slaughtered in England and around the world by the English army. Yet it seems some groups can progress to the future much better than others.


I expect Jewish people in Ireland will do what they seem to do in every country which is work hard, become valuable members of society and contribute disproportionately to their numbers.

JDL on boards? Why I never!

It's been known for over 1000 years that Jews live off the toil of others. Being a banker, a diamond broker, or a producer (sitting on one's ass all day raking in the big bucks) is not "working hard, become valuable members of society and contributing disproportionately to their numbers", it's essentially being a parasite.

CajunOnTour

I do not distinguish between extremists.

That's not a very moral position! Nor, indeed, is it a very practical because "extremist" (even more so than it's cousin "terrorist") has no universally agreed meaning.:rolleyes:

What is regarded as a extreme view in one place/group/tribe/nation/culture/political party is mainstream in the next one!

CajunOnTour

markus pride wrote: »

It's been known for over 1000 years that Jews live off the toil of others. Being a banker, a diamond broker, or a producer (sitting on one's ass all day raking in the big bucks) is not "working hard, become valuable members of society and contributing disproportionately to their numbers", it's essentially being a parasite.

Help of this ilk I could do without, thanks. :mad:

My analogy was to make the point that generalisations about Muslims where as poisonous and wrong as generalisations about Jews.

bwatson

CajunOnTour wrote: »

Believe me, you are no buddy of mine. I detest Islamophobes (and their apologists) as much as you detest the IRA.

The connection you can't spot is that an extreme sympathy for Anglo-American Imperialism, mass murder and terror links many people who share your two dislikes. :cool:

Unfortunately pal, there is no substantive link between a hatred of those who would seek to commit acts of terrorism in my homeland, the United Kingdom of GB & NI, and a sympathy for what I presume you mean to be the War in Iraq?

Once again, it is difficult to understand just what it is you mean.

markus pride

CajunOnTour wrote: »

Help of this ilk I could do without, thanks. :mad:

My analogy was to make the point that generalisations about Muslims where as poisonous and wrong as generalisations about Jews.

You mean negative generalizations, you've no problem with positive generalisations and they're the most harmful in this instance.
Jews have been putting out positive propaganda about themselves for decades to cover up their true agenda. The prevalence of Jewish names on Amazon.com, in book-stores, and on articles online, helps further propagate the myth that Jews are intellectually superior to whites and other gentiles and we would be lost without them. Nothing could be further from the truth, but very few can see things as they are and if this was reversed mankind would not be in the dire situation it is in. The delusion begins with the Jews themselves, who love to see themselves as pied pipers and moral guardians. And the never-ending stream of **** books and documentaries, besides being a well financed agenda to control real dissent by spreading disinformation among the public, is a practical way for these thousands of Jewish writers/film makers to satisfy their superiority complex and delusions of grandeur. I've noted something interesting that pertains to this topic and might hold true for others as well. Rarely have I have read anything published by a Jew in the 1990s or later, that I didn't find was said better 50 or 100 or more years ago by a gentile. But when you really examine what the wealthiest Jews are doing to earn their money (and what they have done for centuries) that really shouldn't surprise you.

amacachi

markus pride wrote: »

You mean negative generalizations, you've no problem with positive generalisations and they're the most harmful in this instance.
Jews have been putting out positive propaganda about themselves for decades to cover up their true agenda. The prevalence of Jewish names on Amazon.com, in book-stores, and on articles online, helps further propagate the myth that Jews are intellectually superior to whites and other gentiles and we would be lost without them. Nothing could be further from the truth, but very few can see things as they are and if this was reversed mankind would not be in the dire situation it is in. The delusion begins with the Jews themselves, who love to see themselves as pied pipers and moral guardians. And the never-ending stream of **** books and documentaries, besides being a well financed agenda to control real dissent by spreading disinformation among the public, is a practical way for these thousands of Jewish writers/film makers to satisfy their superiority complex and delusions of grandeur. I've noted something interesting that pertains to this topic and might hold true for others as well. Rarely have I have read anything published by a Jew in the 1990s or later, that I didn't find was said better 50 or 100 or more years ago by a gentile. But when you really examine what the wealthiest Jews are doing to earn their money (and what they have done for centuries) that really shouldn't surprise you.

Feh!

K-9

Clareboy wrote: »

Could you please explain to me how we kept the country going before all the immigrants started arriving in the late 90s? How did we ever keep the wheels of industry and commerce moving for all those years? You tell me!

Not very well barring mainly immigrant investment.

Chuck Stone

bwatson wrote: »

I must say that overall I've noticed far more racism and ignorance back home than I have here.

How unsurprising.

bwatson

Chuck Stone wrote: »

How unsurprising.

Care to expand?

If you are talking about sectarian intolerance which is rife in Northern Ireland, I wasn't actually referring to that on this occasion.

Tech3

We get to have more chinese and indian takeaways

ahal

We have Halal slaughter, which involves slowly torturing an animal to death in order to be Godly, or something like that*





* Goes against animal welfare laws, but let's not be 'racist' now!

Chuck Stone

bwatson wrote: »

If you are talking about sectarian intolerance which is rife in Northern Ireland, I wasn't actually referring to that on this occasion.

I didn't think you were referring to the good ol' fashioned type of bigotry, no, although one likely feeds into another I'm sure you would agree.

Siege mentality and all that malarkey.

amacachi

ahal wrote: »

We have Halal slaughter, which involves slowly torturing an animal to death in order to be Godly, or something like that*





* Goes against animal welfare laws, but let's not be 'racist' now!

Yeah, those bastards Dominos are secretly trying to make us all Muslim!

bwatson

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I didn't think you were referring to the good ol' fashioned type of bigotry, no, although one likely feeds into another I'm sure you would agree.

Siege mentality and all that malarkey.

Unexpected JSTOR article only the day after I finally break up for easter following a particularly stressful second semester of the academic year? What are you doing, trying to give me a heart attack?

Very interesting article though which I shall study properly tomorrow

a-k-47

When i was in australia in 08, jobs were being advertised for ONLY Australian and NZ residents in mostly construction work. Should be done here to an extent, certain % of your employee must irish, whatever the min. Ive spoken to number of employers who only employ foreign nationals because its cheaper.

krochford

CajunOnTour wrote: »

Great news in the census; despite the best efforts of FF the population rose and there was little net emigration in the year to April 2011 (three years after the crash).

While no doubt the current illegitimate FG & Labour Regime will have had Irish people emigrating in despair and disgust at the destruction of democracy in Ireland since then, the continued influx of young bright productive people from across the globe will compliment those of us still here (and with luck they'll pay our college fees)

These incomers will more than compensate for those forced to emigrate because of the construction and financial collapse and suicidal policies of the current Fascist Government. They are also very easy on the eye, especially the eastern females. My current girlfriend is Polish, neither she nor her family has ever drawn welfare in Ireland, so I can vouch for them them on several fronts.

I think Food Science or Agriculture, Genetic crop engineering is the way to go (that's where I'm headed); maybe for a few years while we recover we could stop funding pointless third level education in Law, Arts, and Social "sciences"?

At least till we finish with the Bank Reparations to the EU, which will take until another election restores democracy.

Skimming the thread one thing is clear - we need to cut out this xenophobic and barely disguised racist reaction to the great news contained in the census.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/1t0m/

latenia

Some advantages
I can go to the local Asian supermarket and find hundreds of products that you won't see in Spar or even Tesco. Even if you don't want Asian food you can still get basic staples and fruit, veg and meat way cheaper than anywhere else. Most of these premises would be vacant otherwise so you have two economic advantages right there; me getting cheaper food and landlords getting rent. If I don't feel like cooking I can get a great meal for 6 or 7 euros.

Immigrants have gone where rents are cheapest so are almost single-handedly preventing Dublin city centre suffering from 'the donut effect' that happens during recessions elsewhere. They tend to be young, hardworking, respectable people-their vitality is preventing stagnation and raises the tone of an area. How many middle-class Dubliners would have ventured near Parnell St 15 years ago let alone spend an evening hopping from place to place?

Their tastes in the arts tend to be broader than Irish people's and they will make it part of their lives. If a continental tells you they like jazz or poetry or cinema then they really are into it and will support a scene. The variety of options for non-pub based socialising is vast compared to just 10 years ago and you'll always find a disproportionately large number of foreign nationals involved in organising, performing and attending. Again, the economic advantage is money flowing away from superpubs and cheesy nightclubs into smaller venues and younger, politically unconnected people. Money circulates more efficiently in a culturally diverse society.

Now that Ireland is part of a massive European political and economic union, it's imperative that we don't allow ourselves to become isolated, which is a real danger given our geography. Look at what's happened to places like the north of England or southern Italy. The best way to prevent that is by free movement of people. Trade develops, familial links are established, everyone benefits. History shows that it's always the most cosmopolitan places that fare best economically.

haminka

I believe that first and outmost, the laws and traditions of the country you live in should be respected. Bring your own traditions and enrich the culture of the country that took you on but accept theirs as the ones the majority will live by. Learn the language and mingle with the people. There is a difference between multiculturalism as an exchange and enrichment of values and being isolationist. I am all against banning Christmas and ham sandwiches and roast beef because it would offend other cultures. Ironically, the same people who are so oversensitive about the mainstream culture will go the extra hundred miles to wish someone nice Ramadan or Hanukka. I wouldn't serve an Indian guest beef or a Muslim ham with his turkey but leave my nice almost raw steak and Christmas tree alone.

lividduck

Confab wrote: »

A new variation on the 'I'm not racist, but...' theme.

A quick perusal of the OP's previous posts on housing for non eu national will show that he is a holder of very racist views actually.

My advice is dont feed the tro..... oh I cant say that word can I.:D

Son Of A Vidic

Clareboy wrote: »

How do I benefit from the New Multicultural Ireland?

Omari Few Valley wrote: »

Their tax money is paying for your dole, innit?

But alternatively, some people might possibly believe that if they weren't here, he might actually have one of their jobs. Thus negating the need to receive a dole payment at all.

Father Damo

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Hot Polish girls, with pert breasts in the Irish sunshine.

Since when? This whole Irish girls ugly foreign women hot really grinds my gears. I worked with quite a few Polish women and there are an awful lot you wouldnt touch without a good few cans of Tyskie in your skull first.

Nodin

Jorah wrote: »

As a Londoner, I disagree.

"Multiculturalism" is a broad term so to say there can only be ONE culture in a nation is false. Yet there must be a unifying strong sense of national pride that comes from a sense of a shared culture. This is incredibly difficult to do amongst various groups that have different religious and cultural loyalties.

Islam does not function in modern Western nations. Sikhism and Hinduism tend to adapt better, but they are enclosed communities. The fabric of a society is ruined when there are ethnic loyalties amongst multiple groups of people..

....yet America, Canada and the rest manage to stumble on regardless, with its German-Americans, Irish-Americans, Afro-Americans, Arab-Americans, Persian-Americans.

Jorah wrote: »

Because those Muslims (regardless of where they are born) have religious and cultural loyalties that they value above the nation they are born in.
..

Classically used against Catholics, that one, but also Jews.

Bwatson wrote:

Easy bud, you seem to be making out that England is some sort of dystopian soceity..

Actually that seems to be what you and your fellow traveller above is doing.

Nodin

ahal wrote: »

We have Halal slaughter, which involves slowly torturing an animal to death in order to be Godly, or something like that*

......

....or nothing like that.

bwatson

Nodin wrote: »

....yet America, Canada and the rest manage to stumble on regardless, with its German-Americans, Irish-Americans, Afro-Americans, Arab-Americans, Persian-Americans.

Do you understand the difference between multi-racial and multi-cultural?

To compare the relationship between Irish and German Americans to the relationship between the British people and the muslim communities is nonsensical. Two sets of European people who's values and traditions have been built on more or less the same judeo-christian standards are of course going to assimilate and evolve together with far greater ease than a western people of mainly germanic and celtic origin and muslim peoples who are very close to being a polar opposite in terms of culture and tradition.

Anyway, the muslim population of the US is proportionally very much smaller than the european nations in question in this thread which once again further weakens that argument.

Nodin

bwatson wrote: »

Do you understand the difference between multi-racial and multi-cultural?

To compare the relationship between Irish and German Americans to the relationship between the British people and the muslim communities is nonsensical. Two sets of European people who's values and traditions have been built on more or less the same judeo-christian standards are of course going to assimilate and evolve together with far greater ease than a western people of mainly germanic and celtic origin and muslim peoples who are very close to being a polar opposite in terms of culture and tradition.

Anyway, the muslim population of the US is proportionally very much smaller than the european nations in question in this thread which once again further weakens that argument.

Did you actually read the quote I was responding to?

old_aussie

Nodin wrote: »

....or nothing like that.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56b_1306913252

There you go nodin

AeoNGriM

Clareboy wrote: »

I would much prefer to have a job and pay my own bills with my own money!

Well then, stop fcuking moaning, get your unemployed arse out the fcuking door, get yourself a skill you can make money off and......wait for it.......wait for it......make some fcuking money?

How is sat on your hole there complaining about fordiners going to assist you in any possible way?

jimmi10

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

Just like there were many many warnings regarding Ireland's economic good fortune not being all that it seemed, there too were equally as many warnings regarding the amount of non-nationals we were letting into the country, but as with everything else in Ireland, the people that needed to listen, didn't - they just stuck their fingers in their ears, pointed their fingers and screamed: 'racist!' - and they're still doing it, just not with as much vigor as they were.

Maybe in another ten years time, just as we can all sit down now and see Bertie and Co in their true and deserving light, we too will be able to do the same regarding Ireland's Immigration policies of the past fifteen years and just what a negative impact that has had on the country. Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

This is an interesting point you make, I would agree that the previous governments careless attitude towards immigration could create problems in the future, the same way their careless economic policies wreaked havoc on this country.

Icepick

Jorah wrote: »

Multiculturalism is an utter disaster.
Whats happened to London will be reflected in Dublin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYlBWWZtDA

Borboletinha

markus pride wrote: »

You mean negative generalizations, you've no problem with positive generalisations and they're the most harmful in this instance.
Jews have been putting out positive propaganda about themselves for decades to cover up their true agenda. The prevalence of Jewish names on Amazon.com, in book-stores, and on articles online, helps further propagate the myth that Jews are intellectually superior to whites and other gentiles and we would be lost without them. Nothing could be further from the truth, but very few can see things as they are and if this was reversed mankind would not be in the dire situation it is in. The delusion begins with the Jews themselves, who love to see themselves as pied pipers and moral guardians. And the never-ending stream of **** books and documentaries, besides being a well financed agenda to control real dissent by spreading disinformation among the public, is a practical way for these thousands of Jewish writers/film makers to satisfy their superiority complex and delusions of grandeur. I've noted something interesting that pertains to this topic and might hold true for others as well. Rarely have I have read anything published by a Jew in the 1990s or later, that I didn't find was said better 50 or 100 or more years ago by a gentile. But when you really examine what the wealthiest Jews are doing to earn their money (and what they have done for centuries) that really shouldn't surprise you.

Are you Hitler???:eek::eek::eek:

44leto

It make the place more interesting and deepens our shallow gene pool. I actually like seeing the multiracial couples and even families. It shows we have joined the rest of the world. It really doesn't have to create divisions which I feel a lot are trying to do, not our politicians but the average minor racist joesoaps you meet. I say they are minor racists because I don't think they realise they are been racist.

Plus I hope, Irish athletes might start winning some track and field medals (joke).

Toby Take a Bow

markus pride wrote: »

[/B] Jews have been putting out positive propaganda about themselves for decades to cover up their true agenda. The prevalence of Jewish names on Amazon.com, in book-stores, and on articles online, helps further propagate the myth that Jews are intellectually superior to whites and other gentiles and we would be lost without them.

You seem to have a problem with Jews. Do you think, maybe, that when you are looking at Amazon and sites like that, you might happen to notice Jewish names more than the other ones? The alternative being that Jews, en masse, decided to become literate and well-educated, knowing that one day the internet would become popular, and guessing that online buying would be popular, so that they could write reviews to make us (ie, you) feel bad about your lack of intelligence.

Also, could you provide some statistics to back up these 'facts'?

markus pride wrote: »

Rarely have I have read anything published by a Jew in the 1990s or later, that I didn't find was said better 50 or 100 or more years ago by a gentile. But when you really examine what the wealthiest Jews are doing to earn their money (and what they have done for centuries) that really shouldn't surprise you.

Again, examples please.

Micky Dolenz

markus pride wrote: »

JDL on boards? Why I never!

It's been known for over 1000 years that Jews live off the toil of others. Being a banker, a diamond broker, or a producer (sitting on one's ass all day raking in the big bucks) is not "working hard, become valuable members of society and contributing disproportionately to their numbers", it's essentially being a parasite.

Troll, banned

Nodin

old_aussie wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56b_1306913252

There you go nodin

....so you're saying thats how they do it here, everywhere....?

fryup

Clareboy wrote: »

No more work permits for non EU citizens

Cancel all existing non EU work permits

All non-nationals (except UK ) on welfare to be repatriated

In other words, protect our labour market and save on welfare.

:rolleyes: listen ..."what goes around comes around"

the irish can't be complaining about foreign workers look at all the irish living abroad ffs

twinQuins

old_aussie wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56b_1306913252

There you go nodin

Oh look, it's the guy who beats up Muslims come to talk to us about Islam.

This forum becomes more of a self-parody by the day.

SWL

Omari Few Valley wrote: »

Their tax money is paying for your dole, innit?

Let me get this straight if an Irish person is on the dole, the foreigners (including myself) are paying for it.

But if a non-national is on the dole they are claiming their entitlements and anyone who says different is a racist or xenophobic and how dare they move from the script that all immigration is good and all those who have concerns are scumbags.

Oh the irony. Another self-hater in Ireland I can honestly never understand my so many Irish people love knocking their fellow countrymen.

Micky Dolenz

SWL wrote: »

I can honestly never understand my so many Irish people love knocking their fellow countrymen.

You must try harder to integrate.

The_B_Man

Benefits?

Suppose we'll have a better pool of soccer players to choose from!

ScumLord

A country that's not multicultural/multiracial is more than likely some unimportant, stagnent back water that nobody wants to go to because there's nothing there to do.