The New Multicultural Ireland - The Benefits?

biko

ScumLord wrote: »

A country that's not multicultural/multiracial is more than likely some unimportant, stagnent back water that nobody wants to go to because there's nothing there to do.

Or it's Japan/Korea/China. I'm sure there's more but off the top of my head it's those three growing superpowers.
A funny thing is, everyone that is banging on about the benefits of multiculturalism - their 2 major arguments seems to be exotic food and more/better foreign soccer players? Is that really all? There must be more.

Doc Ruby

Jorah wrote: »

In other words, the disintegration of Irish culture is completely acceptable providing it happens via mass immigration rather than brutal invasion.

Must be sad to have a culture so weak it can't survive the proximity of other cultures.

DebDynamite

biko wrote: »

Or it's Japan/Korea/China. I'm sure there's more but off the top of my head it's those three growing superpowers.
A funny thing is, everyone that is banging on about the benefits of multiculturalism - their 2 major arguments seems to be exotic food and more/better foreign soccer players? Is that really all? There must be more.

The hot women. How could you forget the hot eastern European women who make Victoria Secret models look like Mary Harney :rolleyes:

Plus, how do people figure multiculturalism will improve our soccer team? Unless we start getting Spaniards, Germans, Brazillians arriving en masse, I don't think our soccer team will be winning World Cups in about 20 years.

woodoo

amacachi wrote: »

You're ok with white Christians though is what I assume you're trying to get at.

There we go.... as predicted through the racist card, always the same. But thanks for verifying the point i was making.

KeithAFC

Icepick wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYlBWWZtDA

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

Doc Ruby

KeithAFC wrote: »

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdM8fkup4Q

Dudess

SWL wrote: »

Another self-hater in Ireland I can honestly never understand my so many Irish people love knocking their fellow countrymen.

I agree that phenomenon seems very widespread - going by Boards anyway - but I fail to see anything in the post you quoted indicating self-hatred.

Dudess

KeithAFC wrote: »

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

It isn't multiculturalism. You're pretending it is for some cryptic reason, but you know it isn't. "They" (whomever they are) don't say it's perfect. But shur try stirring sh1t anyway.

amacachi

biko wrote: »

Or it's Japan/Korea/China. I'm sure there's more but off the top of my head it's those three growing superpowers.
A funny thing is, everyone that is banging on about the benefits of multiculturalism - their 2 major arguments seems to be exotic food and more/better foreign soccer players? Is that really all? There must be more.

Is Japan still growing? China has a way to go to be nearly a superpower and Korea ain't that big. If it starts to get big there'll be re-unification to slow things down.

woodoo wrote: »

There we go.... as predicted through the racist card, always the same. But thanks for verifying the point i was making.

Why not clarify what you said then instead of playing the victim? Why let the British have rights but not let other nationalities have them?

Dudess

markus pride wrote: »

It's been known for over 1000 years that Jews live off the toil of others. Being a banker, a diamond broker, or a producer (sitting on one's ass all day raking in the big bucks) is not "working hard, become valuable members of society and contributing disproportionately to their numbers", it's essentially being a parasite.

Oh the guy who has issues with Jews and women - again. Wonder how many accounts it is now...?

KeithAFC

Dudess wrote: »

It isn't multiculturalism. You're pretending it is for some cryptic reason, but you know it isn't. "They" (whomever they are) don't say it's perfect. But shur try stirring sh1t anyway.

Of course it is. It is a people of a different culture. I think the posting of that video is a good example of what some people are saying.

Gyalist

Clareboy wrote: »

No more work permits for non EU citizens

Cancel all existing non EU work permits

All non-nationals (except UK ) on welfare to be repatriated

In other words, protect our labour market and save on welfare.

Great! You clearly haven't thought it through, or maybe you are incapable of doing so.

Today, approximately 100,000 people are directly employed in over 600 US firms in Ireland accounting for over 70% of all IDA supported employment .

Collectively US companies have US$190b in foreign direct investment (FDI) in Ireland. This represents 9% of all US investment in the EU & 5% worldwide. This equates to more than the total invested in the much hyped BRIC economies (Brazil, Russia, India, China). During the decade to 2010, US investment in Ireland was three times that invested in China .

LINK

I guess your modern Ireland would be able to survive on the remittances from all the Irish workers who would be forced to migrate to other countries to find work. I guess the significance of Irish government ministers wooing China and India hasn't dawned on you.

Gummy Panda

Dudess wrote: »

KeithAFC wrote: »

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

It isn't multiculturalism. You're pretending it is for some cryptic reason, but you know it isn't. "They" (whomever they are) don't say it's perfect. But shur try stirring sh1t anyway.

Don't feed it and it will eventually go away

woodoo

old_aussie wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=56b_1306913252

There you go nodin

Just one more reason to consider Islam a joke.

ScumLord

biko wrote: »

ScumLord wrote: »

A country that's not multicultural/multiracial is more than likely some unimportant, stagnent back water that nobody wants to go to because there's nothing there to do.

Or it's Japan/Korea/China. I'm sure there's more but off the top of my head it's those three growing superpowers.
e.

japan and Korea are long established supr powers and a I can guarantee you they all have foreigners working in the top industries, especially China as they don't have the necessary skills already in their population.

woodoo

amacachi wrote: »

Why not clarify what you said then instead of playing the victim? Why let the British have rights but not let other nationalities have them?

You are mistaking me for someone else, i never mentioned British.

woodoo

KeithAFC wrote: »

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

They came down to act the goat.

KeithAFC

woodoo wrote: »

They came down to act the goat.

No evidence to prove this. A lot of bands came down and acted responsibly. It was the people who tried to destroy the city who should be looked at.

Sunnyisland

haminka wrote: »

I believe that first and outmost, the laws and traditions of the country you live in should be respected. Bring your own traditions and enrich the culture of the country that took you on but accept theirs as the ones the majority will live by. Learn the language and mingle with the people. There is a difference between multiculturalism as an exchange and enrichment of values and being isolationist. I am all against banning Christmas and ham sandwiches and roast beef because it would offend other cultures. Ironically, the same people who are so oversensitive about the mainstream culture will go the extra hundred miles to wish someone nice Ramadan or Hanukka. I wouldn't serve an Indian guest beef or a Muslim ham with his turkey but leave my nice almost raw steak and Christmas tree alone.

This for me

Micky Dolenz

KeithAFC wrote: »

A very good example that multi culturalism still isn't as perfect as some say.

Mod

*Hangs head a bit

Now now, Keith.

flossy1

I am so sick of the do-gooders talking about the benefits of multicultural

look at the court reporting in any local paper ,non national driving

Under the influence of Drink

No tax
No insurance
Fake tax disc or insurance etc.

If this happen in U S A. UK
home they go . In Ireland we listen to some sob-story and let them stay

amacachi

woodoo wrote: »

You are mistaking me for someone else, i never mentioned British.

Why jump in then? My response (which you quoted) to what was said seemed fairly accurate. Give rights to Nationalities in the order British > Other EU > Non-EU.
Brits can stay no matter what, EU only if they're currently working and deport everyone else is what was said.

KeithAFC

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

*Hangs head a bit

Now now, Keith.

I think it is a very interesting debate Micky. I think the posting of that video has brought a different argument to the table on this topic and it should be discussed that perhaps it isn't the way some people think it is on this island.

Micky Dolenz

KeithAFC wrote: »

I think it is a very interesting debate Micky. I think the posting of that video has brought a different argument to the table on this topic and it should be discussed that perhaps it isn't the way some people think it is on this island.

It is an interesting topic, one you which to steer in your direction. A road we have been down before, many many times and we won't be going there this time.

KeithAFC

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It is an interesting topic, one you which to steer in your direction. A road we have been down before, many many times and we won't be going there this time.

Perhaps it is for a different thread. Just a different angle some one else brought up. Fair enough though.

Dudess

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course it is. It is a people of a different culture. I think the posting of that video is a good example of what some people are saying.

Which are the people of a different culture? It's a bunch of idiots going on the rampage in light of a march by a bunch of bigots. How is that multiculturalism? Multiculturalism is when a number of cultures mix long-term, not just for a few hours.

KeithAFC

Dudess wrote: »

Which are the people of a different culture? It's a bunch of idiots going on the rampage in light of a march by a bunch of bigots. How is that multiculturalism? Multiculturalism is when a number of cultures mix long-term, not just for a few hours.

Would perhaps be better for a different thread some time. Would make a very interesting discussion in the politics forum.

lividduck

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It is an interesting topic, one you which to steer in your direction. A road we have been down before, many many times and we won't be going there this time.

Maybe the parades commission should be called in to decide if it is a road that can be marched gone down..:D

Icepick

biko wrote: »

Or it's Japan/Korea/China.

You obviously have no idea how diverse China is and never been to or lived in Korea or Japan either.
Also, funny how dem taking ar jobz is terrible but them investing is awesome.

Sonnenblumen

Dudess wrote: »

Multiculturalism is when a number of cultures mix long-term, not just for a few hours.

Sounds like a quote from a Famous 5 story?

There's irrefutable evidence that multi-culturalism does not work.

howtomake

fryup wrote: »

listen ..."what goes around comes around"

the irish can't be complaining about foreign workers look at all the irish living abroad ffs

Well that settles it, since Clareboy doesn't want me here working, paying for taxes & buying stuff in Ireland, I'll just go home, even though I know maybe like 80 Irish friends/acquaintances working in my country at the moment. Clareboy can you come over and help me pack since it seems like you have some extra time on your hands? I'd appreciate it, cheers!

dsmythy

Seems most people don't know, beyond stuffing their bellies and perving.

goodie2shoes

i've read this thread with interest.
tbh i'm not totally convinced either way. i can see both pros & cons to multi-culturalism, but i am startled at how (no pun intended) black'n white the issue appears to 99% of posters.

there are certainly benefits to immigration, but there also are real dangers. at least we are having the debate (of sorts).

the pro-immigration/diversity side appear very naive. in every country where mass immigration has happened it has caused major problems, some short-term but many lasting.

yet the pro-immigration side sound very much like those misguided souls who bought property at the height of the bubble. their reasoning is uncannily similar.

"no we're different. it wont happen here. our situation is unique. we are a new country and will show those old colonial powers how to do it properly. we've learnt from those Brits what not to do. thank heaven we're so educated by comparison. after all they read The Daily Mail/TheSun".

yes the very same idealistic "logic" was used to justify gambling on property.

and we all know how that ended .......:(

Doc Ruby

goodie2shoes wrote: »

in every country where mass immigration has happened it has caused major problems

... except Ireland.

goodie2shoes wrote: »

"no we're different. it wont happen here. our situation is unique. we are a new country and will show those old colonial powers how to do it properly. we've learnt from those Brits what not to do. thank heaven we're so educated by comparison. after all they read The Daily Mail/TheSun".

There's more than a stretch of water between them and us, laddie, to quote Michael Collins.

woodoo

goodie2shoes wrote: »

i've read this thread with interest.
tbh i'm not totally convinced either way. i can see both pros & cons to multi-culturalism, but i am startled at how (no pun intended) black'n white the issue appears to 99% of posters.

there are certainly benefits to immigration, but there also are real dangers. at least we are having the debate (of sorts).

the pro-immigration/diversity side appear very naive. in every country where mass immigration has happened it has caused major problems, some short-term but many lasting.

yet the pro-immigration side sound very much like those misguided souls who bought property at the height of the bubble. their reasoning is uncannily similar.

"no we're different. it wont happen here. our situation is unique. we are a new country and will show those old colonial powers how to do it properly. we've learnt from those Brits what not to do. thank heaven we're so educated by comparison. after all they read The Daily Mail/TheSun".

yes the very same idealistic "logic" was used to justify gambling on property.

and we all know how that ended .......:(

And we are all going to pay for their naivety. All that "your a racist your a racist" for daring to speak out against unfettered immigration will come back to bite us all in the ass.

RainbowRose81

Well Ireland doesn't have much of a culture left. In most countries Ireland is known as a place where people drink a lot. Known to be drinkers is hardly inspiring confidence, pride and uniqueness to the world. It's funny how Saint Patrick's day is celebrated still because a lot of Irish people wouldnt be catholic anymore and probably more are atheist.

goodie2shoes

Doc Ruby wrote: »

... except Ireland.


There's more than a stretch of water between them and us, laddie, to quote Michael Collins.

Ah! yes we're so different it aint gonna happen 'ere! LOL

Nodin

woodoo wrote: »

And we are all going to pay for their naivety. All that "your a racist your a racist" for daring to speak out against unfettered immigration will come back to bite us all in the ass.

.....we don't have "unfettered immigration". We have free movement with the EU zone, which is rather a different thing.

goodie2shoes

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well Ireland doesn't have much of a culture left. In most countries Ireland is known as a place where people drink a lot. Known to be drinkers is hardly inspiring confidence, pride and uniqueness to the world. It's funny how Saint Patrick's day is celebrated still because a lot of Irish people wouldnt be catholic anymore and probably more are atheist.

sounds like you've been enjoying a few yourself matey.;)

goodie2shoes

Nodin wrote: »

.....we don't have "unfettered immigration". We have free movement with the EU zone, which is rather a different thing.

1 in 6 of the pop. is quite a lot of "free movement".

Doc Ruby

goodie2shoes wrote: »

Ah! yes we're so different it aint gonna happen 'ere! LOL

You know what's guaranteed, written in stone going to bring out any latent racist tendencies in a culture? A massive influx of unexpected immigrants of dubious purpose and varying skill over a very short period.

So yeah. We're different.

Johro

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

Sounds like a quote from a Famous 5 story?

There's irrefutable evidence that multi-culturalism does not work.

Irrefutable eh?
Oh well... /thread.

Nodin

goodie2shoes wrote: »

1 in 6 of the pop. is quite a lot of "free movement".

It is not, however "unfettered immigration". Non-EU residents can't just wander in etc.

goodie2shoes

Doc Ruby wrote: »

You know what's guaranteed, written in stone going to bring out any latent racist tendencies in a culture? A massive influx of unexpected immigrants of dubious purpose and varying skill over a very short period.

So yeah. We're different.

your 'er logic is a little convoluted i fear.:rolleyes:

goodie2shoes

Nodin wrote: »

It is not, however "unfettered immigration". Non-EU residents can't just wander in etc.

1 in 6.
and that's only those we know about.:eek:

Doc Ruby

goodie2shoes wrote: »

your 'er logic is a little convoluted i fear.:rolleyes:

Fear all you like, doesn't make the logic any less irrefutable.

goodie2shoes

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Fear all you like, doesn't make the logic any less irrefutable.

it's difficult to refute that which makes no sense.:D

Doc Ruby

goodie2shoes wrote: »

it's difficult to refute that which makes no sense.:D

Don't mistake a lack of comprehension on your part for a lack of sense.

Nodin

goodie2shoes wrote: »

1 in 6.
and that's only those we know about.:eek:

...which will more than likely drop over the next few years, given current circumstances.

goodie2shoes

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Don't mistake a lack of comprehension on your part for a lack of sense.

come back to me when you start making sense, and i'll talk to you then.
nothing personal but it's late.