Wolf!!

Wibbs

gud4u wrote: »

TBH, We didn't know what he was when we got him, there's a fair story attached to him. He was great with us, a real gentledog with our terrier and me. Would sleep at your feet as well, but if anyone so much as raised a voice or hand while talking(as in gestering) he'd go for them. He attacked 3 people while we had him.

That's the thing though G, that's more the "dog" part. That would be my biggest issue with wolf dog crosses. It's the dog part, the not afraid of humans/selected for guarding and aggression that causes a lot of the problems. If you had a pure wolf, your house would be wrecked and covered in poo, but it would be a lot less likely to attack people unless cornered, much more likely to run away. They'd make the worst guard dogs in christendom.

Jackasaurus rex wrote: »

recommended viewing is the secret life of dogs. there is a study shown where they tape wolf pups from the mother at a couple days old and try raise them in the same manner as a litter of pups. completely different results. its on youtube. take a look. really interesting if you like dogs

Yea it's interesting JR, however IMHO it seemed a bit skewed. Who were the people tasked with rearing them? What experience did they have with driven working dog breeds? Were they expecting a toy/lap dog animal? Watching the woman dealing with the pup was odd. She didn;t seem to establish boundaries as forcefully as she might have. Indeed not nearly as forcefully as a wolf mother/father/pack would. While wolf parents are a study in parental patience, they also let the kids know what's not on. IMHO it was too vague and easy going a test. Of course a labrador is going to be significantly easier than a wolf to tame and live with, but so would a high drive huskie. Given that in the literature there are quite a few examples of people who did "tame" wolves to the degree where they were somewhat tractable. It was quite the rage in the late 19th century. The originator of the German Shepherd breed devoted a whole chapter to it in the original edition. And added some of that blood to the breed at the start. One of his friends had two living in a family home in Germany. They were considered hard work, but not completely off the wall. A better test would be to give trained animal behaviorists and trainers the same cubs and see what happened. I suspect the results would be somewhat different.

BTW this is in no way a recommendation for some yahoo reckoning on wolf=family pet. Just that the reality is likely somewhere in the middle. After all the wolf/dog domestication event happened many times and in many places so we did it often enough.

mazdamps

I would just get a Malamute.

I have a 2 year old boy who is 28" at the withers and a little over 40kg, very well behaved dog with kids and healthy.





He doesn't look to much like a wolf, I have seen some beautiful grey and white one's that do look like wolves.

Fado is a big boy himself , but I have seen Malamutes much bigger than him, huge dogs, a good few inches taller than him and at least 10-15kg heavier.I wouldn't be shocked if they were nearly 10 stone/60kg.


Keep them away from glass doors though:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_2rml7J700

Bobby Baccala

andreac wrote: »

If you really have to ask that then im not even going to explain myself. Do you know anything about wolves then you should know they arent suitable for pets.

I don't regularly post here but i usually read a few threads and it's not the first time i've seen you ask unnecessary questions instead of answering the op and giving him/her advice.

DBB

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea it's interesting JR, however IMHO it seemed a bit skewed. Who were the people tasked with rearing them? What experience did they have with driven working dog breeds? Were they expecting a toy/lap dog animal? Watching the woman dealing with the pup was odd. She didn;t seem to establish boundaries as forcefully as she might have. Indeed not nearly as forcefully as a wolf mother/father/pack would. While wolf parents are a study in parental patience, they also let the kids know what's not on. IMHO it was too vague and easy going a test. Of course a labrador is going to be significantly easier than a wolf to tame and live with, but so would a high drive huskie. Given that in the literature there are quite a few examples of people who did "tame" wolves to the degree where they were somewhat tractable. It was quite the rage in the late 19th century. ...A better test would be to give trained animal behaviorists and trainers the same cubs and see what happened. I suspect the results would be somewhat different.
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The researchers who raised and socialised the wolves featured in this documentary are from the Family Dog Project based in Budapest (http://familydogproject.elte.hu/), the same researchers carrying out work into dog/human communication and co-evolution of such communication (the pointing task might be the most familiar to readers here), and the same researchers featured elsewhere in the video who recorded different dog barks and found that humans were very good at interpreting the meaning and context of the different barks.
They've been raising, socialising and studying wolf cubs and adults for a long time, and all of them have a fair degree of expertise in the application of dog behaviour science as well as studying the science of behaviour: some of them are practising behaviourists and trainers, the others perhaps should be!
I'd imagine the documentary showed the edited highlights simply to clearly show how wilful and "untrainable" the young wolves are, despite intensive socialisation.

andreac

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I don't regularly post here but i usually read a few threads and it's not the first time i've seen you ask unnecessary questions instead of answering the op and giving him/her advice.

If you have a problem with my post then report it

I didn't see you forthcoming with any advice, opinions or information did I?

mazdamps

andreac wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic, but Akitas dont weigh 11 stone. The weigh around 45-60kg which is around 7 1/2 to 8 stone, far from 11 stone.

I hear people saying the same about their rotties when there is no way a rottie is 11 stone. Mine is a big enough dog and hes 50kg so nowhere near 11 stone.

A stone is 6.35kg.

Male American Akita's can get very large and would in and around 60 -70kg at there biggest eg 10-11 stone.

Cherry Blossom

The discussion on this thread as to how much an Akita weighs is now closed.

mazdamps

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

The discussion on this thread as to how much an Akita weighs is now closed.

Ok boss.

Because you say so?

Well I say it doesn't as does, Andreac, P4DDY2K11.

Akita's are wolf like ( relevant to thread ) and I would like to see a pic of P4DDY2K11 big Akita.

If you don't want to know how much they weigh, then get out of the thread, no one is forcing you to read it.

Bobby Baccala

mazdamps wrote: »

Ok boss.

Because you say so?

Well I say it doesn't as does, Andreac, P4DDY2K11.

Akita's are wolf like ( relevant to thread ) and I would like to see a pic of P4DDY2K11 big Akita.

If you don't want to know how much they weigh, then get out of the thread, no one is forcing you to read it.

I have no idea what that means...

mazdamps

Sorry it's OP who has the big Akita.

Post a pic OP.

star-pants

mazdamps infracted. Aj is a moderator of this forum so if she gives a mod instruction on thread it's to be adhered to. Ignoring mod instructions, being off topi, being rude, are all not allowed and can incur infractions or bans. I suggest you read Boards and the forums rules. Do not reply to this post.

ISDW

mazdamps wrote: »

I would just get a Malamute.

I have a 2 year old boy who is 28" at the withers and a little over 40kg, very well behaved dog with kids and healthy.





He doesn't look to much like a wolf, I have seen some beautiful grey and white one's that do look like wolves.

Fado is a big boy himself , but I have seen Malamutes much bigger than him, huge dogs, a good few inches taller than him and at least 10-15kg heavier.I wouldn't be shocked if they were nearly 10 stone/60kg.


Keep them away from glass doors though:D

Sorry if this is off topic, its hard to tell from one side on photo, but that doesn't look like a mal, that looks like a sibe.

dodderangler

mazdamps wrote: »

Sorry it's OP who has the big Akita.

Post a pic OP.

Hi there I have a pic of him up on the thread post a pic of your pet along with my other pets
You can see how big he is on it
Atb

dodderangler

ISDW wrote: »

mazdamps wrote: »

I would just get a Malamute.

I have a 2 year old boy who is 28" at the withers and a little over 40kg, very well behaved dog with kids and healthy.





He doesn't look to much like a wolf, I have seen some beautiful grey and white one's that do look like wolves.

Fado is a big boy himself , but I have seen Malamutes much bigger than him, huge dogs, a good few inches taller than him and at least 10-15kg heavier.I wouldn't be shocked if they were nearly 10 stone/60kg.


Keep them away from glass doors though:D

Sorry if this is off topic, its hard to tell from one side on photo, but that doesn't look like a mal, that looks like a sibe.

Gorgeous dog there sorry if it offends you but looks an awful lot like a Siberian husky not just its colouration but the shape of his head gorgeous dog non the less

Discodog

I am lucky in having spend a bit of time in the company of Wolves & I love interacting with wildlife in general. But I am at a loss to understand the desire to want to own a wild animal & tame it. Wolves deserve to be left as wild animals. Whatever we did in the past surely we now understand Wolves enough to ensure that are never used to produce pets.

I love my dogs & it is their differences from Wolves that makes our relationship so special. I can't understand the desire to own a challenging or difficult dog with all the associated risk that goes with it.

haminka

have you checked this breed? they are even used in movies as wolves as they are so similar in look.
fantastic endurance, require a very experienced dog trainer though but extremely rewarding in terms of loyalty and bond with their owner. very intelligent and need to see purpose for the training though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog

Armin_Tamzarian

Wibbs wrote: »

Secondly do have an idea what wolf temperament is like?
If it's an aggressive animal, it's going to be very aggressive and that you do not want with a very strong dog/canid weighing up to 10 stone with larger teeth, over twice the bite force of a rothweiller and the ability to hit 40mph in seconds.

Ok Wibbs, you have me convinced.
I'm getting me a wolf.

dodderangler

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

Wibbs wrote: »

Secondly do have an idea what wolf temperament is like?
If it's an aggressive animal, it's going to be very aggressive and that you do not want with a very strong dog/canid weighing up to 10 stone with larger teeth, over twice the bite force of a rothweiller and the ability to hit 40mph in seconds.

Ok Wibbs, you have me convinced.
I'm getting me a wolf.

Think il get one now myself
Everyone is missing the point the original question was if there are pure breds and where would u get one I never said I want to get one I'd love one but never said I was looking to buy one

Cherry Blossom

dodderangler wrote: »

Think il get one now myself
Everyone is missing the point the original question was if there are pure breds and where would u get one I never said I want to get one I'd love one but never said I was looking to buy one

Apparently there's some fella on the Isle of Man can get you anything you want

Discodog

dodderangler wrote: »

Think il get one now myself
Everyone is missing the point the original question was if there are pure breds and where would u get one I never said I want to get one I'd love one but never said I was looking to buy one

You would have to contact Zoos, Wildlife parks etc & convince then to sell you them - you couldn't buy one, they live in packs :rolleyes:. Any responsible seller will want proof that you have the resources & knowledge to house & keep them. Your Local Authority might also have an interest as you will be housing half a dozen animals that pose a risk if they escaped & a serious neighbour nuisance if they don't.

Oh & you will probably need an import license.

Wibbs

Discodog wrote: »

Oh & you will probably need an import license.

With our pretty outdated and lax legislation I wouldn't be too surprised if you didn't DD.

Discodog

It would appear that you do:


http://www.npws.ie/licences/importexporttrade/toimportlivewildanimalsorbirds/

Because of the wide variety of species covered by these Regulations each application under these regulations is considered on its individual merits. In general, the principal factors taken into account are the potential impact of the imported species on indigenous species, facilities available for housing the species and other relevant factors such as Environmental Health considerations and the protection of the animals themselves. In this regard advice may be sought on behalf of the Minister from other agencies such as the Department of Agriculture and Food (Protection of Animals Acts), Local Authorities in relation to Environmental Health and/or Planning Considerations, and the Zoological Society of Ireland.

Birdnuts

Hyena's are the business apparently for debt collecting in Nigeria - some amazing photos on the link below

http://www.nairaland.com/480427/this-true-do-they-use

ppink

Birdnuts wrote: »

Hyena's are the business apparently for debt collecting in Nigeria - some amazing photos on the link below

http://www.nairaland.com/480427/this-true-do-they-use

I can see the Council coming with one of those guys to pick up the house tax:eek:

boomerang

dodderangler wrote: »

German shepherds are too needy

May I suggest a cat?

mazdamps

ISDW wrote: »

Sorry if this is off topic, its hard to tell from one side on photo, but that doesn't look like a mal, that looks like a sibe.

He could very well be more Sibe than Mal.

I have no papers for him, as I had no intention of breeding, just wanted a good healthy dog, which he is.

I will put up a few more pics for you to see.

He is a very handsome fella.

He isn't as large as a Mal, some of them are very big but he is bigger than a Sibe, not way taller but alot thicker boned and dense.

He is the same size as his best friend my brothers male GSD, both are around 40kg give or take a kg.

He's a great dog, not happy unless he is wrecked tired and with 4 dogs in my connected family, he always has a friend to play with it.

Energy they have is incredible, I would take him to my mothers house in the morning to play with her Labrador, they would run around like crazy for a few hours then, I would collect him and take him for the walk home.

He would then lie down for a few minutes, get his food and water, then off he would go again running around the garden burning off energy.

My mother has a huge closed off garden and himself, her labrador and my brothers GSD would run km's in the few hours they are playing.

It's great to see him full flight, makes me smile everytime, so fast and elegant, incredible agility and change of direction.

He is terrible off the lead, like most of the breed he doesn't listen and wants to run, so it's great when he can run free in a closed space.

transit260

to throw a spanner in the works,I have an aquaintance that HAS pure bred wolves,in fact he has a few and he also has a bitch thats 1/8 german shepherd and 7/8 wolf.These are 100%pure.They are evasive of human contact except for their owner and when you try to get a look at them they just head in the opposite direction.I dont understand what pleasure he gets from them but he is well into them.They are very steady around him but no one else.I dont know much more really as they dont interest me at all.

Cherry Blossom

transit260 wrote: »

to throw a spanner in the works,I have an aquaintance that HAS pure bred wolves

Pics??

transit260

not forthcoming sorry,not my place to take liberties,but he has a few pups at 4 months old,they are rather aloof and hard to approach.Canadian timber wolves are the breed,100%pure im informed.I dont think he will breed them again by the way he was talking.

Wibbs

High content wolf dog hybrids brought in from the UK maybe(there are a few breeders over there of various content hybrids), pure Canadian(or any other) timber wolves? Sure it's possible, but I'll believe it when I see it. BTW transit260 I'm not doubting you and what you've seen, nor am I doubting him as to what he believes he has I'd just be somewhat skeptical. Especially if he's got a few of them. Even zoos can have difficulties getting pure animals. The only way any breeder or interested party could get pure over this part of the world* would be to get a pup from a zoo or safari park. Maybe you could back in the 1960's but not today. Getting one would be the hard part, bringing it into the country would be a doddle. Day trip on the ferry and if anyone asked, tell them it's an alsation mongrel. Few would know the difference, including 90% of vets.






*In the US, or Russia/Eastern Europe where they're still running around in the wild it would be a lot easier. Good look in finding never mind catching one mind you.