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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #4532
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    gurramok wrote: »
    It will go towards narrowing the deficit. This and other taxes will help. Cost of living is related to how much we earn, if what we earn goes down, cost of living will follow. All relative.

    so it will go towards the deficit....not better public services as you had claimed in your previous post....am I correct?


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    #4533
    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    maybe he lives i cuckoo land.......the household tax in ireland, which is not a household tax ..it is a property....having property is nothing to do with services......


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    #4534
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    so it will go towards the deficit....not better public services as you had claimed in your previous post....am I correct?

    Both. As more money flows in, it will help reduce the deficit and at the same time improve public services. Of course the financial monster that is the HSE will have to be streamlined as the Troika instructed, it would help public confidence by doing so.


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    #4535
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    havent paid, and wont until i get a bill, in writing, addressed to me at my house.


    bring it on...


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    #4536
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    so it will go towards the deficit....not better public services as you had claimed in your previous post....am I correct?
    Do you not see the obvious linkages between both of these things?
    golden lane wrote: »
    maybe he lives i cuckoo land.......the household tax in ireland, which is not a household tax ..it is a property....having property is nothing to do with services......
    Who pays a tax is not necessarily the same people as who benefit from a tax. Taxes are all about redistribution.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    havent paid, and wont until i get a bill, in writing, addressed to me at my house.


    bring it on...
    Truly a person of conviction.


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    #4537
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    gurramok wrote: »
    Both. As more money flows in, it will help reduce the deficit and at the same time improve public services. Of course the financial monster that is the HSE will have to be streamlined as the Troika instructed, it would help public confidence by doing so.

    as more money flows in it will be spent wasted by our govt. and I can guarantee you here and now that public services will not improve one bit. The govt. are continuing to pay increments to ps workers running into hundreds of millions each year....an already overpaid and inefficient ps when compared to our European neighbours, and all the while we continue to OVERSPEND by €300m - €400m PER WEEK !


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    #4538
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    dvpower wrote: »
    Do you not see the obvious linkages between both of these things?


    Who pays a tax is not necessarily the same people as who benefit from a tax. Taxes are all about redistribution.


    Truly a person of conviction.

    DV, sorry mate but your posts are terrible, you are not making any valid points, your comebacks are without substance....and not very sarcastic either...sorry:(


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    #4539
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    Lets say the curent deficit is €15b.
    Lets say all of the 2 1.6 million liable pay €1,000 a year.
    That would close the deficit to €13.4b.....yeah, ye are right lads ...we would be well on our way to break even, and to think, our public services would greatly improve also !
    Just out of curiosity, do any of you pro tax / hhc guys work in the dept. of finance?.....did you have anything to do with that €3.6b "accounting error" ?....if the answer is yes to any of those questions then please do us all a huge favour and retire on your lavish ps pensions asap....please:)


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    #4540
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gurramok wrote: »
    It will go towards narrowing the deficit. This and other taxes will help.
    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    so it will go towards the deficit....not better public services as you had claimed in your previous post....am I correct?
    dvpower wrote: »
    Do you not see the obvious linkages between both of these things?
    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    DV, sorry mate but your posts are terrible, you are not making any valid points, your comebacks are without substance....and not very sarcastic either...sorry:(


    I'll take that as a No then.:rolleyes:


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    #4541
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    Lets say the curent deficit is €15b.
    Lets say all of the 2 1.6 million liable pay €1,000 a year.
    That would close the deficit to €13.4b.....yeah, ye are right lads ...we would be well on our way to break even, and to think, our public services would greatly improve also !
    Just out of curiosity, do any of you pro tax / hhc guys work in the dept. of finance?.....did you have anything to do with that €3.6b "accounting error" ?....if the answer is yes to any of those questions then please do us all a huge favour and retire on your lavish ps pensions asap....please:)

    still no answers...i'll take that as a yes then


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    #4542
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    What's the obsession around here with where people work?


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    #4543
    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    dvpower wrote: »
    What's the obsession around here with where people work?


    haven't you noticed...people are sick of the public service getting away with recession free salaries......


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    #4544
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    dvpower wrote: »
    What's the obsession around here with where people work?
    well with 30% or so of govt. spending going towards ps pay and pensions, I'd say us hard pressed private sector tax payers have every right to question what our employees are paid and are we getting good value for money from those employees...


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    #4545
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    gurramok wrote: »
    Cost of living is related to how much we earn, if what we earn goes down, cost of living will follow. All relative.

    you kidding me? after all the levies we pay on things we need, after the extra USC charge brought in, after he VAT increases, the double taxation on heating, petrol price going up, motor tax going up, now a hhc is trying to be brought in and after that a property tax, water rates....
    seems to me the cost of living is going in only one direction, i went to centra the other day and got 2 cartons of milk and a large slice pan and i didnt have enough with a fiver, mortified puttin a carton back. just because our wages arnt being cut doesnt mean we have the same amount to spend.


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    #4546
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    well with 30% or so of govt. spending going towards ps pay and pensions, I'd say us hard pressed private sector tax payers have every right to question what our employees are paid and are we getting good value for money from those employees...
    Meh. As a hard pressed private sector tax payer, I don't feel the need to whinge about it.


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    #4547
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    golden lane wrote: »
    haven't you noticed...people are sick of the public service getting away with recession free salaries......
    Yeah, but what's that got to do with the posters on this thread?


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    #4548
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    dvpower wrote: »
    Meh. As a hard pressed private sector tax payer, I don't feel the need to whinge about it.
    DV, is that your reply to the valid points I have made ?..."you don't feel the need to whige about it".....very childish mate, i think others on here have given up replying to you because of this attitude and your utterly meaningless replies.....and now I think I will do the same...good night


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    #4549
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    donalg1 wrote: »
    So you want the little guy to pay for everything while giving the top earners a break? I wonder what your salary is :rolleyes:

    You want to promote economic activity by cutting the salaries of the average worker by 10% and then telling them to pay €1,000 of a property tax. I cant honestly see how that would promote economic activity.

    And as for the property tax of €1k how would you work that bearing in mind ability to pay and fairness too, especially when coupled with your slashing of wages of the average worker.

    You wonder what my salary is? I'll tell you what it is. It's academic.

    The point that I am making is that you need broad based moves to get this country stabilised. Slapping another 10% on the marginal rate of tax for people who earn 200k plus or even 100k plus, will end up in reduced revenue for the state. Just look at Cameron and what happened when he pursued that policy. Higher Earners have taken the brunt of the adjustment so far, and at least the dept of finance seem to be clever enough to realise they have reached the point of diminishing returns. I would add to that by saying that everytime you force one higher earner out of the country, the burden for all others becomes greater.

    Consequently, the only option left is for broad based adjustments along the lines I have advocated in earlier posts. I acknowledge that accepting an adjustment in standards of living for the majority of Irish people is damn difficult, but it is our only hope. If we can get things stabilised (and if people co-operate voluntarily rather than maintaining the policies of resistance that have been so prevalent since this discussion started) there will be better times ahead for everybody relatively soon.

    The longer people resist, the longer the pain goes on.


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    #4550
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    kr7 wrote: »
    From what I've read. alastair didn't pay his poll tax / council tax in the UK because he thought it was unfair.

    Try again - I was quite clear that I paid my council taxes / rates. I didn't pay my poll tax.


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    #4551
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    golden lane wrote: »
    maybe he lives i cuckoo land.......the household tax in ireland, which is not a household tax ..it is a property....having property is nothing to do with services......

    Ehh?

    The HHC goes 100% to funding local services - as will the upcoming property tax. In that respect it's the closest thing to UK rates you'll find.


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    #4552
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    well with 30% or so of govt. spending going towards ps pay and pensions, I'd say us hard pressed private sector tax payers have every right to question what our employees are paid and are we getting good value for money from those employees...

    Who's disputing that?

    Now - back to the actual issue at hand - property taxation.


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    #4553
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    alastair wrote: »
    Try again - I was quite clear that I paid my council taxes. I didn't pay my poll tax.

    And I pay all my other taxes but I won't pay this one.

    What's the difference between you and me?


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    #4554
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    kr7 wrote: »
    And I pay all my other taxes but I won't pay this one.

    What's the difference between you and me?

    1. I'm not conning myself that I can avoid paying for local services through direct taxation.
    2. The poll tax had a clear moral argument against it, which property taxation does not.
    3. I wasn't hoping that I could slip through the net by not showing up on a database.
    4. I don't repeatedly claim I'm not engaging in discussion, and then continue that discussion.


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    #4555
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    alastair wrote: »
    1. I'm not conning myself that I can avoid paying for local services through direct taxation.
    2. The poll tax had a clear moral argument against it, which property taxation does not.
    3. I wasn't hoping that I could slip through the net by not showing up on a database.

    You must have left your morals in england so.

    I'll leave you to it.


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    #4556
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    kr7 wrote: »
    You must have left your morals in england so.

    I'll leave you to it.

    You're quite the serial run-away, aren't you?


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    #4557
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    dvpower wrote: »
    Meh. As a hard pressed private sector tax payer, I don't feel the need to whinge about it.

    You say your private sector but you could be anyone.

    It's the beauty of boards.......anonymity.

    You could be phil hogan's secret boyfriend for all we know:D


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    #4558
    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    alastair wrote: »
    Ehh?

    The HHC goes 100% to funding local services - as will the upcoming property tax. In that respect it's the closest thing to UK rates you'll find.

    not nearly close......households in the uk pay council tax.....not property owners....

    rates in the uk....apply to business's


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    #4559
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    golden lane wrote: »
    not nearly close......households in the uk pay council tax.....not property owners....

    rates in the uk....apply to business's

    Depends what part of the UK you're in:

    http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/rates

    But nice try.


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    #4560
    golden lane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    alastair wrote: »
    Depends what part of the UK you're in:

    http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/rates

    But nice try.

    90 percent part......like the main part.......nice try.....

    the truth always wins.....


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    #4561
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    golden lane wrote: »
    90 percent part......like the main part.......nice try.....

    the truth always wins.....

    Run along now - you're just digging a deeper hole.


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