Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

Chips Lovell

Go for it so.

If I had the choice between a modest salary and owning my own home, and unemployment and local authority housing, I know what I'd pick.

golden lane

kr7 wrote: »

Personally, I try not to be a burden on the state.

But according to some on this thread, because I refuse to pay this immoral charge on my family home, I'm classed as a tax defaulter and a freeloader.

Maybe your right, I should sell my family home, screw the banks, declare myself bankrupt and apply for a council house and the dole.

Quid's in!

yes, you should do that.....you would get more respect.....

Fupping Grasshole

What amazes me is the bend over and ram it up my hole attitude a lot of people have, some don't even know for certain what they're paying others don't seem to mind paying for the same thing over and over or they don't seem to care about the squandering of funds, just take my money please so goes the gospel according to hogan.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

So you think they should be made to pay income tax?

Edit: Alistair is correct - unemployment benefits are taxable.

Jobseekers benefit isn't though.
Why did you leave that out of your quote?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=is%20jobseekers%20allowance%20taxable&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revenue.ie%2Fen%2Ftax%2Fit%2Fleaflets%2Fit24.html&ei=ZqMFUL25M4XDhAeOz6nTBw&usg=AFQjCNFBuYxahDR6trDq1J0oogFAqMuYUg

alastair

Fupping Grasshole wrote: »

What amazes me is the bend over and ram it up my hole attitude a lot of people have, some don't even know for certain what they're paying others don't seem to mind paying for the same thing over and over or they don't seem to care about the squandering of funds, just take my money please so goes the gospel according to hogan.

Well - I'm not the one opting to bend over and pay big Phil a bonus penalty on my HHC.

Fupping Grasshole

alastair wrote: »

Well - I'm not the one opting to bend over and pay big Phil a bonus penalty on my HHC.

Oh god, lol.

kr7

golden lane wrote: »

yes, you should do that.....you would get more respect.....

And cash, and a medical card, and clothing allowance and a house for €30 or €40 a week etc etc.

We should respect the underclasses.

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Jobseekers benefit isn't though.
Why did you leave that out of your quote?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=is%20jobseekers%20allowance%20taxable&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revenue.ie%2Fen%2Ftax%2Fit%2Fleaflets%2Fit24.html&ei=ZqMFUL25M4XDhAeOz6nTBw&usg=AFQjCNFBuYxahDR6trDq1J0oogFAqMuYUg

Jobseekers Benefit is taxable

Jobseekers Benefit (formerly known as Unemployment Benefit) is a taxable source of income. However the child dependant element and the first €13 per week of benefit are exempt from tax.

Jobseeksers allowance isn't.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Jobseekers benefit isn't though.
Why did you leave that out of your quote?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=is%20jobseekers%20allowance%20taxable&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revenue.ie%2Fen%2Ftax%2Fit%2Fleaflets%2Fit24.html&ei=ZqMFUL25M4XDhAeOz6nTBw&usg=AFQjCNFBuYxahDR6trDq1J0oogFAqMuYUg

Job seekers benefit is liable to income tax.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/leaflets/it24.html

Maybe you meant short-term worker's Job seekers benefit - where their other income is taxed?

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

We should respect the underclasses.

Nice.

kr7

dvpower wrote: »

Jobseekers Benefit is taxable



Jobseeksers allowance isn't.

Out of interest, how much income tax would you reckon the average long term dole recipient with three kids in his subsidised LA house pays a year?

Just to clarify for yer man alastair, I was referring to people on the dole who've never worked a day in their lives and suck the state dry for as long as they've drawn breath.

golden lane

kr7 wrote: »

And cash, and a medical card, and clothing allowance and a house for €30 or €40 a week etc etc.

We should respect the underclasses.

you should rerspect everybody.......

dvpower

kr7 wrote: »

Out of interest, how much income tax would you reckon the average long term dole recipient with three kids in his subsidised LA house pays a year?

A long term dole recipient would be on non taxable Jobseekers Allowance, so they wouldn't pay any Income tax if it was their only income.

Jobseekers Allowance is means tested, so it makes no sense to tax it - it would just need to be increased to allow for the reduced means due to the tax.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Out of interest, how much income tax would you reckon the average long term dole recipient with three kids in his subsidised LA house pays a year?

proportionally - about the same as a household with an income of 40K.

http://www.ronanlyons.com/2012/04/10/paying-tax-in-ireland-where-the-richest-and-poorest-pay/

Bruthal

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Who's better off? The man with one house or the man with no house?

I would think many out there would prefer to have no home ownership, than the position they are in now, due to owning one.

Bishop_Donal

Ghandee wrote: »

The real property tax introduction is when the real trouble will arise.

How many of the pensioners, low earners etc that were scared into paying this years hundred euro sign up and be shafted fee will stand up next year and say they will refuse/cant afford ro pay the reported/suggested 700 next year?

JNext year is when the real fun will begin.......

Yes. It will be the same as an additional Eur50 a month (or Eur12.50 a week) adjustment to their Social Welfare entitlement or Personal Tax Credit.

If that's all they have to worry about, they're lucky (But in reality it's only the start of it).

tayto lover

Did anyone get a reminder letter yet?
Don't know of anyone who did.
I hear Reilly's mansion in Offaly is exempt too. Why should anyone pay if he's not?
Still not paying it myself anyway.

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

I hear Reilly's mansion in Offaly is exempt too. Why should anyone pay if he's not?
Still not paying it myself anyway.

It's not - but why bring it up if you're evading your tax regardless?

Bishop_Donal

tayto lover wrote: »

Did anyone get a reminder letter yet?
Don't know of anyone who did.
I hear Reilly's mansion in Offaly is exempt too. Why should anyone pay if he's not?
Still not paying it myself anyway.

Everyone I know paid the charge when it fell due, so unlikely I will know anyone who will receive such a letter.

tayto lover

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Everyone I know paid the charge when it fell due, so unlikely I will know anyone who will receive such a letter.

That's amazing 'cos I don't know anyone who paid.

Bishop_Donal

tayto lover wrote: »

That's amazing 'cos I don't know anyone who paid.

I suppose it's about who you hang out with!

My buddies have ambition and will want to trade up to better houses in due course. They won't want an accrued liability with associated interest and penalties sitting as an encumbrance on their sale proceeds. They need to be ready to execute close to the bottom of the market (especially after the full property tax has been introduced).

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

It's not - but why bring it up if you're evading your tax regardless?

Well if he's getting tax-breaks with the help of his friends in politics to maintain his property then it's reasonable to assume that he's also getting this free too.
They look after each other you know. Didn't Fingers look after his buddy Hogan too. Two interest only loans with very little paperwork. There was me wondering why Fingers was not repaying the million he promises to put back too.

Hijpo

tayto lover wrote: »

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Everyone I know paid the charge when it fell due, so unlikely I will know anyone who will receive such a letter.

That's amazing 'cos I don't know anyone who paid.

i doubt bishop knows many people, they probaby avoid him like the plague judging by his character on here.

havent got a reminder meself. fact of the matter is, people in LA housing are reaping more than they sow.

Bishop_Donal

Hijpo wrote: »

i doubt bishop knows many people, they probaby avoid him like the plague judging by his character on here.

havent got a reminder meself. fact of the matter is, people in LA housing are reaping more than they sow.

:D:D:D

I've been accused of trolling, of being a tax defaulter and now of being a loner in the last few days - All because I advocate compliance with the law to help deal with 1% of the deficit problem of this country!!

I think the Don't Register; Don't Pay campaign are struggling!!!! Love it.

Bruthal

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

I suppose it's about who you hang out with!

Something like this is it? "No, you cant be my buddy, you didnt pay your hhc"
Or is it that you just go where all the big knobs hang out?

My buddies have ambition and will want to trade up to better houses in due course. They won't want an accrued liability with associated interest and penalties sitting as an encumbrance on their sale proceeds. They need to be ready to execute close to the bottom of the market (especially after the full property tax has been introduced).

Sounds like made up stuff there.

Will their own houses they are all intending selling, be at some advantage compared to the ones they are buying, in terms of being at the bottom of their market value?

tayto lover

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

:D:D:D

I've been accused of trolling, of being a tax defaulter and now of being a loner in the last few days - All because I advocate compliance with the law to help deal with 1% of the deficit problem of this country!!

I think the Don't Register; Don't Pay campaign are struggling!!!! Love it.

Well i'm not struggling at all and neither are my buddies. We are all quite comfortable and happy thank you. Not complying with unjust, unfair and immoral taxes which would only be handed to bondholders and bankers makes us very happy indeed.

kr7

alastair wrote: »

You're classed as a tax evader, because you're evading paying your taxes. It's not a subjective issue.

Is that what you were classed as in England?

alastair

tayto lover wrote: »

Well if he's getting tax-breaks with the help of his friends in politics to maintain his property then it's reasonable to assume that he's also getting this free too.
They look after each other you know. Didn't Fingers look after his buddy Hogan too. Two interest only loans with very little paperwork. There was me wondering why Fingers was not repaying the million he promises to put back too.

Or, to cut to the chase - the house is liable.

alastair

kr7 wrote: »

Is that what you were classed as in England?

Yep. I didn't wriggle and whinge about it though.

kr7

alastair wrote: »

proportionally - about the same as a household with an earned income of 40K.

http://www.ronanlyons.com/2012/04/10/paying-tax-in-ireland-where-the-richest-and-poorest-pay/

FYP